Let's talk about the Buccaneers
 

Next up - The Buccaneers.

I'm liking the Chiefs in this one, IMHO!

They actually still moved the ball well today without Evans and Godwin.

They're also the only team that has 3 RBs all over 250 yards.

Get pressure on Mayfield and he will fold like a cheap suit

Pretty shitty defense. Looks like our offense is starting to figure it out.

**** the buccaneers.

Wish they were playing in their throwbacks next week tho.

They rely on rushing the ball to be successful on offense now

Won’t work next week

Unfortunately for them, stopping the run is our jam this year. I expect a boring type game 23-9 or so.

23-12 Chiefs

They run zone, and never even attempt to try anything else. Ever!

Mayfield is having a good season

That offense will be a challenge on MNF

Patrick Mahomes has an 8-3 record on Mondays in his career.

Baker Mayfield has a record of 1-5 on Mondays in his career.

Nuff said.

warm up for the bills

we beat the bills and we can start to think about history

Someone’s been paying attention.:clap:

Baker Mayfield is a turd sandwich.

They blitz a ton and if you block it up, guys run wide open

If Mahomes is on, Chiefs by three scores

I’m starting to like the ‘lose to the Bills in the regular season then win Super Bowl’ trend of the last couple of seasons.

It’ll be close even if he plays well, just like what happened today. You were 12/16 on 3rd down and somehow end up needing to get lucky on a fumbled onside kick to seal a one possession victory.

Today was a complete domination despite the scoreboard.

That seems to be the case with Kansas City most of the time.

They don't wear an eye patch, they just squint

Kirk Cousins threw like 9 or 10 TDs against them in two games this year.

Mahomes should have fun.. which means he’ll probably throw 2 TDs and 1 INT as we cruise to a 24-20 win.

2 teams that have big time injuries at WR. But our defense is much better than theirs and so is our QB 24-13 Chiefs

Yep. The threepeat is the single most important objective this year and all other objectives this year must take a backseat to that one.

Hope KC embarrasses Winfiled's bitch ass.

I still hate them for that rigged ass superbowl. Hang 70 on these dickheads.

They lost to the cheating Donks. They can't be very good.

Yeah. You check Baker's stats when pressured. He's top-3 or top-5 vs. pressure. He's had two bad games, otherwise he's a top-5 QB this season. TB isn't losing because of Baker. They're losing because Bowles hasn't been good at either of his jobs.

The problem for Baker will be that when Godwin and Evans are in, the Bucs run game can be getting stuffed and those dudes are good enough to where it matters much less. We will take away their run game and McMillan and perennial 4th WR Sterling Shepard won’t be able to do anything. Otton is good but you’re not beating this Chiefs team on the back of your TE.

Otton's not good. He's okay. Not even on Gray's level. His best attribute as far as I can tell is that he has big soft hands. He's not a good blocker. He doesn't run crisp routes.

Rashaad White is not a good RB. He's a better-than-average receiving RB. Terrible runner between the tackles.


Tb's starting OL has only played together for 3 games, iirc. Rookie C. RT is probably not as good as ours in pass-pro. Maybe a little better run-blocker.

And until about three games ago, TB's run game was bottom third. About when they decided to make Bucky the actual running RB. Problem is, he's a rook, so he's learning to pass-pro.

And TB had the 31st ranked run game last season. But Baker found a way to win 10 games (including playoffs) anyway. Should've been 11, but Bowles' defense literally shit their pants at the end of the HOU game.


Baker isn't elite, but he's been playing like it for awhile now, excepting the DEN and BAL games. If Bowles could either be better at in-game decisions or better at being DC, they'd probably be 6-2 right now.


Baker will probably be dangerous next week, almost no matter who his receivers are. He'll probably throw at least a pair of TDs. Trouble is, TB's defense is bottom 5 or whatever. They can't stop anybody, and in the biggest situations they completely shit themselves.

We'll win, but Baker won't just turtle up or shit down his leg like Dak is doing tonight. He's going to try and make it a dogfight.

Baker is a Hell of a lot better than Gardner Minshew. He has been playing at an elite level this year. Even today without his top two WRs, he threw for 330 yards and 3 TDs.

Unless their D falls apart this is gonna be a tough game.

Trust me, their D is going to shit all the way down their legs. 2nd quarter for sure. If it's close in the 4th, they'll do an encore to give the game away. They've been truly awful this year except in two games, iirc.

You may be right, even with Winfield back today they gave up 31 points.

I think we will need about the same to beat them. Lets hope Hopkins can get more involved after another week of practice.

Hows their pass rush? If they dont have that, we should be able to put up 30+

Very inconsistent. Kancy didn't get on the field until about two games ago, though. Some leg injury in TC kept him out until very recently. You figure he'll be up to speed right about now. But I don’t know if he’ll be good.

Vita isn't really a pass-rush threat, but every once in awhile he'll get pressure, as we know. But he's still a beast vs. the run. You just can't move him.

Yaya is really their only legit pass-rusher, but he's not special. He's maybe on the same level as George? Not the same kind of player, just production.

Bowles has been blitzing his LBs to get pressure, with mixed results. And of course, that leaves big holes in the middle. And like us, they can't cover TEs.

Their secondary has been up and down, but both Winfield and Whitehead were injured earlier, so they're still finding their legs, I guess. McCollum is their best DB, and he's pretty good. Like could be top-10 next season good.
Pat needs to watch out for him. Their other CB(s) have been up and down, mostly down.

So many unfortunate things would need to happen in concession for them to win that it’s hard to even think how it could happen.

We’re winning this one by double digits.

Just a side note, I did some YouTube research for Bucs MNF games, to possibly create another helmet crash intro like I did for New Orleans.

Nada.

Not a single workable intro exists.

MNF hated showing the Bucs prior to Dungy.

They're a resilient team, very tough, and they like to run the ball. After what happened in the Super Bowl a few years ago we certainly won't take them lightly. A number of those guys are still on the team.

ME TOO!!!!

Another week of the constant Chiefs Revenge Tour. We'll always owe these ****ers a black eye. I'm looking for another 10 point win.

They literally had 1 or 2 winning seasons before Dungy so that sounds about right.

Just fyi: Baker's scored 23 TDs this season (21 passing/2 rushing). Only had one game where he threw just one TD pass. Over the last five games, Baker has scored at least 3 TDs/game. Over the last four, he's thrown at least 3 TDs/game. Passed for more than 325 yds in each of the last three games.

Baker did throw the ball 50 times today. I could see something similar next week.

I think that'd have to be their plan honestly, their TE Otton is playing really well and all their RBs can catch the ball out of the backfield. See if they can take advantage of our secondary injuries and force our LBs into coverage.

Yeah I agree that their plan will be to try to work our LB’s with Otton and Irving/White. I’m not sure their healthy receivers are good enough to challenge much of anyone so if we can get a two score lead, they may be in trouble. I respect Baker and all but he will throw us a couple. I expect this to be similar to the Saints game. Just not sure if I see Tampa getting more than 17 at most.

A 5 point CHIEFS win.

It’ll be tough, like Pat says, he keeps it close. Baker has been on one this year and even without his too 2 targets, you gotta give him some respect. Especially with our secondary looking like a triage unit.

Would be the perfect time to get Lattimore in here early in the week lol. He’s seen their offense a lot!


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Only 5?

Well, who wants to hear a ghastly, unpopular opinion?

Trap game.

The Bucs defense is still very good, and while they are missing two fantastic receivers, Baker is playing at an MVP level right now.

I don't think Kareem is going to do much of anything on the ground. Vita Vea is a Hall of Fame caliber run stuffer, and Kareem has slowed down each of the following weeks. The Chiefs have to rotate RBs this week, or they're going to face the consequences of Kareem collapsing before Pacheco can return. Because I'm envisioning Kareem running the ball like 14 times for 20 yards.

As a result, Mahomes is going to have to air it out to win this game. I think his odds of doing that are better -- I like the Bucs interior passrush more than their outside rush, and our interior line is where KC is strongest. But the Bucs still field a really talented back seven, that's also extremely intelligent. Lavonte Davis has the ability to man up Kelce, and the Winfield/Whitehead reunion has again given the Bucs one of the best safety tandems in the league.

On the other side of the ball, I think it's doubtful that White/Irving/Tucker can get much going on the ground, but they don't need to. They only need to get a little going on the ground, to give Baker some breathing room. The Bucs' second-string receiving corps is underrated, however, and they'll give the Chiefs' depleted CB room some issues occasionally.

Get ready to see Josh Williams on the screen a ton. If he plays well, the Bucs are going to have a lot of problems scoring. If he doesn't, well...

Mayfield is well protected on the edges, so can Jones/Wharton disturb the pocket a ton from the interior? The Bucs have a good interior, but I'd bet on Jones/Wharton.

There's a lot of factors going into this being the best chance of an upset we've had in a while: the Chiefs will have no running game, their passing game will be contained by an intelligent/talented Todd Bowles back seven, Baker is arguably a Top 4 QB right now, and the Bucs are an NFC team that the Chiefs don't really care about with the Broncos coming up on a short week. I think this game will come down to turnovers, and Mahomes is giving the ball away a lot right now. Baker, not so much.

It's MNF, and the Chiefs should win this one? But it has the feel of an upset to me. All the things you need for an upset are there, and if it happens, it'll be some ugly one at like 16-13, something like that.

I made it this far before I stopped reading.

They allow the 5th most points per game and 3rd most yards per game in the league this year.

I’m not sure how they qualify as “very good”.

They've been playing without their top two CBs for a while. I'd like to see their health for this game.

I know it's a losing proposition to ever bet against Mahomes, who wins 80% of his games and rarely gets upset. But if I simply started with the conclusion "the Chiefs will win" and go from there, it wouldn't be intellectually honest. I've picked the Chiefs in every game this season, and sometimes I've nailed it. But I don't claim to be infallible.

But answer these questions: do the Bucs have a smart back seven that can frustrate Mahomes/Reid? Do the Chiefs have the receiver talent to expose a weak CB tandem? Do the Bucs have someone who can effectively man up Kelce? Will the Chiefs be able to run on them?

What are the answers to those questions?

My guess is the answers are yes, no, yes, and no. You?

LMAO

I fully anticipate a hailstorm of hate for predicting an upset against a team we all love.

But I want everybody to answer, please.

Do the Bucs have a smart back seven that can frustrate Mahomes/Reid?

Do the Chiefs have the receiver talent to expose a weak CB tandem?

Do the Bucs have someone who can effectively man up Kelce?

Will the Chiefs be able to run on them?

Stats on a sheet give you part of the story, but I think the answers here are unfavorable.

The Bucs "smart" back seven have been a part of a defense that have given up, over the last 4 games:

36 to Kirk Cousins-who basically only looks good vs them
27 to the Spencer Rattler led Saints
41 to the Ravens and their amazing WR (this is sarcasm)
31 to Kirk Cousins a few weeks after having tons of film on him

and you think that group is confusing/frustrating Mahomes and Andy Reid?

To borrow from Bryce Harper "that's a clown statement, bro"

No one respects your opinion enough to shower you in a hailstorm of hate. Now, a hailstorm of derision and mockery? You've definitely earned that by saying laughably wrong shit with your chest out all season.

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but Mahomes/Reid haven't exactly been lights out, have they.

The Chiefs offense has been underrated, no question. But they aren't threatening defenses a ton right now in the ways that we're traditionally used to.

I appreciate you attempting to answer one of my questions. But the fact you've punted on the other three tell me that we all anticipate this game will be tougher sledding than perhaps a pure statistical analysis suggests.

I legitimately haven't -- I've picked the Chiefs to win all seven games, though some of those games felt super tight to me (and shocker, the games ended up being tight).

I'm also one of the few who puts their predictions out there loudly beforehand and owns up to them after. I'm also one of the few that doesn't pick the Chiefs to win 100% of the time.

So all of those things come back on me, and that's fine.

But let's monitor and see how those four questions go answered for the remainder of the thread. And then we'll see how the game plays out.

Statistically, picking against the Chiefs means I'll be wrong, more than likely. But that's why it would be an upset. Going with the grain all the time isn't as fun.

It's how we roll

Not really, I just find the first question so reidiculous (see what I did there?) that I punted on the other three out of protest. But, if you insist.....

2. As much as they need do. Tampa's CBs are no match for the intelligence of Hopkins and can't hang with Worthy.

3. Not really. How many guys have individually erased Kelce over the years?

4. Should be able to run enough. Stay away from Vea and there will be holes.

Saying stupid shit that is immediately proven as demonstrably false isn't 'putting predictions out there', it's saying stupid shit.

Hell, you can't even admit you gaffed once again with 'The Bucs defense is still very good'. When presented with the facts of the matter, instead of owning you ****ed up you instead pivoted to a bunch of subjective nonsense to try and weasel your way out of looking like an idiot, once again.

First thing I noticed too LMAO

That mother****er is the epitome of clueless ROFL

I don't get it. After that debacle in the Chargers thread you'd figure he'd at least do the bare minimum of research before trying his hand again. But nope. Right back to it.

Same. Its tradition. Just like losing by 10 in the Super Bowl. Once it happens, it's a lock.

And no, the Chiefs potentially struggling because they're down their top 3 WRs and top RB won't vindicate you either. They're going to struggle quite a bit while they wait for Hopkins to get his bearings in the offense and Worthy to develop further. And that's okay and to be expected.

Fair enough.

I do agree that Hopkins provides a matchup issue for them but the Bucs should be able to take away Worthy -- at least the deep shots for Worthy.

Literally Lavonte David erased Kelce in the Super Bowl, though. Both of them have slowed down quite a bit, but hey. (Edit: erase is a strong word -- but he marked Kelce very tightly all game)

I think the Bucs will give KC a tough game and the combined score will reach 60 with a lot of scoring in the second half. Winner? Like KC by 10, but the Bucs have some playmakers still and I like how Baker has remade himself.

Baker has played well this year but he's still gotten clobbered in a couple of games. He might have a decent game but I have a hard time believing he has a great game, despite our issues at CB. This defense has played well against every good QB this year. I see no reason this week will be any different.

Chiefs 31
Bucs 21

This is truly a game where they could have Worthy go off. Just depends if Bowles sticks to his guns or changes things up with a conservative gameplan.

Every game I have watched Tampa, dudes run wide open almost every other play.

Smart back seven? What’s this supposed to mean? They have good safeties? Either their pass D is good or it isn’t, and it hasn’t been good with or without Winfield. I’d say No to your question.

Receiver tandem? Well, they now have a dependable vet who can win short and intermediate routes against single coverage and work effectively against zone, and they have a speed merchant who can punish looks with little-to-no S help over the top. So, yes.

Man-up Kelce? They’ve been getting shredded by good TE rooms. I’d say no.

Chiefs run? The Bucs run D hasn’t been good by stats (5.2 ypc) or when comparing output allowed to averages. So I’d expect the Chiefs to run effectively.

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I think their pass D has suffered injuries, and again, I'd like to see the injury report for this coming game.

I just like their safety combo. I think that can cut off the deep routes from Worthy. We'll be living in the intermediate and shallow again, as we have all season. Do we trust that against Devin White and Lavonte David.

Hopkins is exactly the kind of guy we need to counter their pass defense. I'll be interested to see how up to speed he is Monday.

Kareem's on his last legs, man. He was holding his midsection halfway through this week's victory.

Reid's gotta rotate RBs or Kareem's not going to last for Pacheco to return.

This is all fair.

Come on now. Don't act like ChiefsPlanet is allergic to a little debate over a coming Chiefs game.

We're all big boys here.

Coming from Montana for the game!!! 40th bday

I almost had a heart attack when Mahomes was slow to get up- the only other game in Arrowhead that I have been to he didn't play!

Devin White isn't a Buc, he was an Eagle and was cut. He's currently a FA I believe.

I don’t even read that guy’s posts but that’s hilarious.

Reminds me of Stephen A. Smith talking about an upcoming Chiefs vs Cowboys game. He’s talking about how Derrick Johnson needs to bring his A game to defend Jason Witten. Whole time Derrick Johnson is on IR and Witten is retired lol

Dumb Halloween joke incoming:

Kid walks up to the door on Halloween and rings the bell. Someone answers.

Kid: 'Trick or Treat'

Treater: 'Well, and what are you suppose to be?'

Kid: (looks sideeye at treater) 'I'm a pirate'

Treater: 'If you're a pirate, where are your Buccaneers?'

Kid: 'They're on my ****in head!'

LMAO He's gotta be memeing at this point.

It's was Hunter Henry and the Chargers, but still hilarious

The look on Teddy Bruschi’s face was priceless.

He's playing for Houston now. https://www.rotowire.com/football/pl...efer=SportsRef