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DenverChief 11-10-2024 02:51 PM

A Level Headed Review Week 10 2024
 
First and foremost – HOLY ****ING SHIT

The offense in general seems to be struggling with running and getting open. We need to start running the bubble screens and quick slants for 5 yards. Mahomes just isn’t getting the time to find the deeper routes. 3rd and 4th and short are so much better this year than years past.

WR- Worthy still with the drops when the balls hit him in the hands. Hopkins, Hardman and Watson relatively quiet in the first half. Mecole really making that last play of the half super exciting, ran 85 yards running sideline to sideline and ending at the 50. He looked exhausted. Worthy was open in the back of the end zone Mahomes just threw it away (below). That was a great call to use Worthy’s speed to get us out of the shadow the EZ.
That Mahomes deep throw to Worthy was too far out of bounds, they gotta work on their deep pass connections. Also I hope Worthy is okay that elbow really impacted the ground hard on that play.



OL- Wanya going down, no replay, looked like a knee injury. Saw him on the bike on the sideline grimacing. Hopefully it is just a contusion. Kingsley immediately struggles on the first few pass pro plays. Wanya may not be great but Kingsley needs a lot of work. Almost 4 sacks in the first half (2 actual, one spin and throw and one negated by a penalty). The one negated by the penalty was lucky Kingsley just flat out got beat. Can’t have poor play on Patrick’s backside, that is a recipe for a disaster. First drive after half and Kingsley still struggling with allowing pressure. He just allows defenders to run right past him on the outside(below). Wanya got some Horse Cocaine and they put him back in the game.



RB – Hunt just keeps taking the ball and running hard. 116 carries since week 4 only Derek Henry has more. Unfortunately, like last week Andy abandons the run and Hunt only has 8 carries for 24 yards at Half. Hunt catching out of the backfield is what I have been waiting to see more of, Hunt was really good on swing and wheel routes when he was with us last.

TE- Kelce and Grey have been the entire Offense in the first half. Kelce ties record of most receiving TD’s (76) by Chiefs TE (Tony Gonzalez). Kelce has 6/7 receptions for 53 yards and TD leads all receivers at half. Hendershot gets his second reception from Mahomes in the 3rd. Mahomes sailed the pass to Kelce in the back of the EZ too…maybe the ankle is bothering him more than we can tell.

Def – McDuffie got pushed off of on that pass to put him a full step behind Sutton. Don’t know how that doesn’t get called (illegal contact)



Jayden Hicks continues to impress with his open field tackling. The Defense isn’t getting home with just 4 man rushes, our only real pressure has come from blitzes. I haven’t seen Uche out there yet but no one has really drawn my attention on the pass rush. Chamarri Connor has had a few great open field tackles as well.

FloridaMan88 11-10-2024 02:55 PM

Sign Donovan Smith… to ensure that Skyy Kingsley never sees the field again this season.

Bl00dyBizkitz 11-10-2024 02:57 PM

There is a strong, STRONG possibility that our LT situation is going to tank our chance at a 3-Peat.

Wallcrawler 11-10-2024 03:00 PM

In before all the armchair quarterbacks talk about how easy the throws Pat missed were, having not been planted from the blindside multiple times and having the **** beaten out of them all day.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:00 PM

I had to go back and watch that again - just wow - this team is special

Bearcat 11-10-2024 03:00 PM

I had a thought for this thread, but it's completely left my mind.... holy shit that was great. LMAO

BlackHelicopters 11-10-2024 03:01 PM

OL was ass.

Gary Cooper 11-10-2024 03:01 PM

The offense hasn't run well the last two games. Before that, the run game was working.

Maybe just Tampa and Denver weren't good matchups for or O-line. Vea was a force last week. Denver's entire D-line were a force this week.

There's nothing wrong with running the ball when you're struggling with pass blocking and have only two players capable of getting open.

Megatron96 11-10-2024 03:03 PM

Whoever was calling the offensive plays had a bad day. Pat had a bad day. We got unbelievably lucky. Who actually blocked the kick anyway?

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17797680)
The offense hasn't run well the last two games. Before that, the run game was working.

Maybe just Tampa and Denver weren't good matchups for or O-line. Vea was a force last week. Denver's entire D-line were a force this week.

Denver's D always plays us hard. Kingley was getting abused by Bonito. When Wanya came back in it improved but he was playing injured.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17797699)
Whoever was calling the offensive plays had a bad day. Pat had a bad day. We got unbelievably lucky. Who actually blocked the kick anyway?

It was either Karlaftis or Chenal

ChiefsHawk 11-10-2024 03:05 PM

Find a way to improve the LT position.

Bl00dyBizkitz 11-10-2024 03:07 PM

I kept on thinking throughout the game our Offense HAS to be more than just Run-Run-Throw. But if LT is as bad as it is, that might be the only thing we can do.

But it hasn't just been LT, pass blocking in general this year has been pretty damn bad. Mahomes has been getting beat up, we're lucky he's as evasive as he is.

Basileus777 11-10-2024 03:09 PM

Denver defense is a tough matchup, they can play man and stop the run. If they can't run against Buffalo then we should worry.

Gary Cooper 11-10-2024 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 17797772)
Denver defense is a tough matchup, they can play man and stop the run. If they can't run against Buffalo then we should worry.

I can't wait to see the Chiefs offense with Brown/Juju/Pacheco back, but not sure if we'll see that. It should be a much different team, even with the LT issues.

Good news is no serious injuries these last few games.

Easy 6 11-10-2024 03:11 PM

Tough game to watch, a nailbiter all the way

And Kingsley man, woof

Easy 6 11-10-2024 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17797708)
It was either Karlaftis or Chenal

My streaming screen was tiny (and shitty) so I couldn't see who, but Green said it was Danna

Bearcat 11-10-2024 03:15 PM

- I've said it for 3 years so it's nothing new... but I ****ing hate running it up the center's ass on 2nd and long.

- The Broncos blitzing on 3rd and 14 maybe wasn't the absolute dumbest thing I've ever seen, but doing so on the next 3rd down might be... I assume everyone in the stadium and watching knew what was about to happen and where the ball was going when they were showing blitz.

- And then how the hell the Chiefs don't blitz late in the game is beyond me, but doesn't matter now.... weeeeeeeee! PBJ

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17797782)
I can't wait to see the Chiefs offense with Brown/Juju/Pacheco back, but not sure if we'll see that. It should be a much different team, even with the LT issues.

Good news is no serious injuries these last few games.

I'm hoping we get JJSS back next week and Pops in a couple of weeks at home against the Raiders maybe. That would be really helpful.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17797802)
My streaming screen was tiny (and shitty) so I couldn't see who, but Green said it was Danna

It was Chenal - Holthus and Danan Hughes confirmed it on the audio

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17797794)
Tough game to watch, a nailbiter all the way

And Kingsley man, woof

Yeah Kingsley was tough to watch, almost if there had been nothing practiced or no progress made since he was yanked in W3

Easy 6 11-10-2024 03:21 PM

Gotta be honest, Denvers D shocked me with how good they are

Good against run and pass, held Hunt to 35 yards on 14 totes

Otter 11-10-2024 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17797855)
Gotta be honest, Denvers D shocked me with how good they are

Good against run and pass, held Hunt to 35 yards on 14 totes


Yep, the boyz didn't play their best today but Denver's D was a big part of the equation of how today's game played out.

Easy 6 11-10-2024 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17797831)
Yeah Kingsley was tough to watch, almost if there had been nothing practiced or no progress made since he was yanked in W3

Seriously man, it didn't look like he's made any progress whatsoever... not a good sign

FloridaMan88 11-10-2024 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17797855)
Gotta be honest, Denvers D shocked me with how good they are

Good against run and pass, held Hunt to 35 yards on 14 totes

Baltimore hung 41 on them last week.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:35 PM

Hey we won the TO battle today!

KCJake 11-10-2024 03:35 PM

Offensive line was really bad today. Every time I cuss out Mahomes for missing a wide open Worthy or Kelce, I need to set the beer down and remember this guy has been getting blindsided all game.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17797909)
Baltimore hung 41 on them last week.

I feel like it's different - we have beaten them 16/17 times. I'm sure there is extra motivation to beat us.

mschiefs1984 11-10-2024 03:38 PM

The greatest teams just find a way to make a play to win the game week in and week out. That is what the Chiefs are and what they do. It is very frustrating and at some point they are going to lose a game due to all the mistakes they make. I just hope it's not a playoff game

mschiefs1984 11-10-2024 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17797909)
Baltimore hung 41 on them last week.

Baltimore also lost to the Browns

Division games are different

Bearcat 11-10-2024 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17797960)
Offensive line was really bad today.

Pfft, CP says this every week, whatever.





jk, they were ****ing awful today.

Easy 6 11-10-2024 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17797909)
Baltimore hung 41 on them last week.

Yeah, but they sure played us tough

Araiza got a workout today

tyreekthefreak 11-10-2024 03:46 PM

There was only one designed play for Hunt on a quick outlet pass and he gained 15 yards.....the rest were all safety valve receptions where he got tackled immediately!

Both Perine and Hunt are damn good receivers out of the backfield, more designed plays needed to help offset the shitty blocking from all 5 of our linemen!

stumppy 11-10-2024 03:47 PM

I think they need to give Mahomes a week off to let his ankle heal better. It's obviously bothering him to the point it affects his play.

Megatron96 11-10-2024 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984 (Post 17797991)
Baltimore also lost to the Browns

Division games are different



BAL has scored more than 30 pts six times this season. KC has scored 30+ once, and it took OT. Against a bottom-5 defense. And that "it's a Division game" excuse is getting pretty tired. Our offense needs to figure out how to move the ball a lot better, because we aren't going to be playing a slate of the worst defenses/offenses in the league come playoff time.

FloridaMan88 11-10-2024 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17797997)
Yeah, but they sure played us tough

Araiza got a workout today

The Chiefs had two gimme TD’s they failed to execute on.

Also the offensive line was awful.

Denver’s defense good, but not as good as the Chiefs made them look today.

DRM08 11-10-2024 03:51 PM

Only 38 yards rushing from the RB's today. Gotta give Denver credit, but the OL has to perform better than this in both run-blocking and pass-blocking.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 03:51 PM

So watching the replay - the first sack on Mahomes was just a stunt from the inside DL to run around RT and Smith had no chance to catch him.

FloridaMan88 11-10-2024 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17798042)
Only 38 yards rushing from the RB's today. Gotta give Denver credit, but the OL has to perform better than this in both run-blocking and pass-blocking.

Also the playcalling should have adjusted quicker… running into brick walls for minimal gain first downs… not good.

Bearcat 11-10-2024 03:55 PM

Hunt had 7 receptions today and that doubled the number of receptions on the season... didn't realize it was that many until looking it up. Figured that would come around at some point and would much rather see him used in that capacity than running it up the center's ass on 2nd and 10.

Gary Cooper 11-10-2024 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17798071)
Hunt had 7 receptions today and that doubled the number of receptions on the season... didn't realize it was that many until looking it up. Figured that would come around at some point and would much rather see him used in that capacity than running it up the center's ass on 2nd and 10.

Perine also had big plays in the passing game. The backfield contributed in that department for sure.

4th and Long 11-10-2024 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 17798019)
I think they need to give Mahomes a week off to let his ankle heal better. It's obviously bothering him to the point it affects his play.

Against Buffalo? :spock:

Gary Cooper 11-10-2024 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th and Long (Post 17798084)
Against Buffalo? :spock:

No. Against Carolina if they win the Buffalo game.

Or better yet against Pittsburgh if the Chiefs are comfortably in 1st place before that game. That will be their 3rd game in 10 days. Against T.J. Watt and a team we might face in the playoffs. Would be a perfect time to rest Mahomes provided they keep winning before that.

jerryaldini 11-10-2024 04:00 PM

Another game won by the defense. A shank or bad snap is lucky, but a block is a legit effort play by the kick defense. Defense has a great second half to pull out another one for the O.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 17798093)
Another game won by the defense. A shank or bad snap is lucky, but a block is a legit effort play by the kick defense. Defense has a great second half to pull out another one for the O.

I just went back and watched that play three times in a row - they absolutely trucked the LT on that to get 3 bodies thru for the block. Cochrane, Chenal and Karlaftis all were in there.

DRM08 11-10-2024 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17798060)
Also the playcalling should have adjusted quicker… running into brick walls for minimal gain first downs… not good.

Yep, too many 3rd and Long situations after gaining basically 0 yards on 1st and 2nd down. Hopefully they can find a way to play better next week. They'll need it. I don't think 16 points is enough to defeat Buffalo.

Otter 11-10-2024 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17797909)
Baltimore hung 41 on them last week.


Division rival whose ass we've been kicking embarrassingly twice a year for years now.


It's a brother vs brother type of fight.

Bearcat 11-10-2024 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17798108)
Yep, too many 3rd and Long situations after gaining basically 0 yards on 1st and 2nd down. Hopefully they can find a way to play better next week. They'll need it. I don't think 16 points is enough to defeat Buffalo.

Last time they scored the same number of points in consecutive weeks was in the 2021 playoffs, so we're probably safe there.

mschiefs1984 11-10-2024 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17798020)
BAL has scored more than 30 pts six times this season. KC has scored 30+ once, and it took OT. Against a bottom-5 defense. And that "it's a Division game" excuse is getting pretty tired. Our offense needs to figure out how to move the ball a lot better, because we aren't going to be playing a slate of the worst defenses/offenses in the league come playoff time.

I don't think it's an excuse it's just how it is in the NFL. Go back and look at the Pats run. They would have trouble beating some pretty bad Dolphins teams. It is what it is.

I think we can also all agree that the offense is going to have to be better. Mahomes did some things that he doesn't always do today. He had Kelce wide open in the endzone and missed him. There's a lot of work to do for the offense. Same was true last year. They just have to get it rolling by playoff time

Megatron96 11-10-2024 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984 (Post 17798270)
I don't think it's an excuse it's just how it is in the NFL. Go back and look at the Pats run. They would have trouble beating some pretty bad Dolphins teams. It is what it is.

I think we can also all agree that the offense is going to have to be better. Mahomes did some things that he doesn't always do today. He had Kelce wide open in the endzone and missed him. There's a lot of work to do for the offense. Same was true last year. They just have to get it rolling by playoff time



They had trouble with MIA in December. And for the longest time I thought it was just the temp difference, going from 30 degrees to 80 degrees. But found out watching some podcast with a bunch of former NE players, including Gronk, that it was because half the team went out drinking and partying the night before the game, because it was Miami and they'd just come from NE. They were hungover.

stumppy 11-10-2024 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th and Long (Post 17798084)
Against Buffalo? :spock:

They need to do it at some point and the sooner the better. Maybe against the Panthers but no later IMO.

DenverChief 11-10-2024 06:23 PM

Kevin Harlan: Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BLOCKED! LMAO love Harlan

chiefzilla1501 11-10-2024 06:30 PM

Our WRs outside of Hopkins continue to just not be good. I don’t want to run kelce and dhop completely into the ground. We need juju for some quick hitters. And we need Hollywood to open things up because worthy right now looks like he needs to fall back into more of an Mvs decoy role.

We just need to hang in there until these guys get healthy.

Of course a lot of that depends on our OL staying healthy because our depth is frightening.

Megatron96 11-10-2024 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17798510)
Our WRs outside of Hopkins continue to just not be good. I don’t want to run kelce and dhop completely into the ground. We need juju for some quick hitters. And we need Hollywood to open things up because worthy right now looks like he needs to fall back into more of an Mvs decoy role.

We just need to hang in there until these guys get healthy.

Of course a lot of that depends on our OL staying healthy because our depth is frightening.



I'll be honest, I was frustrated at how many times DHop wasn't on the field on 3rd down. And how many times he wasn't even looked at when he was. It felt like he was being used as a decoy so Pat could try and get one into Worthy or Watson or whoever. And the lack of targets in the EZ was infuriating.

But we won, so I guess that's all that matters. Offensive efficiency be damned, I guess.

GordonGekko 11-10-2024 07:39 PM

Mahomes running for his life, LT position has got to be improved by any means necessary, and for me it means bringing back Smith even if it is as a backup. I cannot believe how relieved I was when I saw Morris (Morris!?) coming back into the game in the 4th quarter. LT depth is a huge huge issue, it was before the season started and still is, it's gross negligence on the Chiefs front office if they don't improve it. It's going to cost us Pat for the season if this continues.

crayzkirk 11-10-2024 08:36 PM

Not much to add except that the four down DL weren't getting any pressure. You could put almost any QB back there with that amount of time and they will make you pay. TEs continued to be an issue. I didn't pay as much attention as normal because I was distracted with family issues however Mahomes had no time at all and they need to give up on the WR screen. It doesn't work...

Mostly, it looked like the Broncos had the Chiefs playbook and were getting away with a LOT of contact.

Similar to last week, the defense had the chance to stop the other team and instead they moved the length of the field and were in position to win. Call it good scheming or whatever, I call it very lucky to win this game. As a whole, the team didn't look very good.

Buehler445 11-14-2024 09:53 AM

So I went to the game, and have been busy since, but there were some interesting nuggets I wanted to share.

I didn't realize how bad Kingsley got beat on some snaps. ****. Also didn't realize Mahomes was as gimpy as he was until I rewatched the broadcast. ****.

I sat by a couple Donk fans. They were great to sit by. Apparently they live in Manhattan and are KU Fans and Donko fans. Bold move. Anyway, they weren't douches at all, which was great.

Anyway, here's how they see the world.

1. They are EPIC pissed we got DHop for "free". I didn't have the heart to tell him Veach would have turned that pick into something, so he wasn't free, despite how hard it is to conceptualize with a GM like Paton. But whatever. The rest of the league apparently doesn't think he's washed and are pissed. PISSED.

2. Kelce is always open, no mention of his lack of explosiveness or his lesser stats. LOL. The pain was real on the couple important plays he made.

3. Mahomes will figure it out. Regardless of the struggles he's facing.

4. Mahomes gets all the calls. :spock: OK...

5. They had a shocking lack of excitement for Nix. I thought he's been pretty solid, and played pretty well that game. Ate a couple really bad sacks, but he was far better than I wanted him to be.

6. On the last drive they were saying Mahomes would destroy them. My buddy had to lay out the math for them and tell them Mahomes isn't getting the ball back. Even after the last time out, I think they thought Mahomes would get the ball back. But they started to believe as the clock ran down.

7. Then their souls left their bodies. I honestly felt bad for those 2. Not all Donk. **** Donk Forever. But those 2 dudes were great and got destroyed.

8. This is their Super Bowl. They said as much. They don't think they're making the playoffs (even after the loss, they're the 7 seed) and this is [was (LOL)] the highlight of their season.

9. They couldn't remember the record against Mahomes. My buddy reminded them, much to their dismay. LMAO. We really have beaten them down as a fanbase. The one guy said he was 33 and his brother close to that age. So they probably missed the Elway years, and all they have is the Manning run. I hadn't considered a Donk fan experience without Shanarat and Elway.

Shout out to those dudes, but seriously, **** Donk Forever.

JPH83 11-14-2024 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 17798849)
Not much to add except that the four down DL weren't getting any pressure. You could put almost any QB back there with that amount of time and they will make you pay. TEs continued to be an issue. I didn't pay as much attention as normal because I was distracted with family issues however Mahomes had no time at all and they need to give up on the WR screen. It doesn't work...

Mostly, it looked like the Broncos had the Chiefs playbook and were getting away with a LOT of contact.

Similar to last week, the defense had the chance to stop the other team and instead they moved the length of the field and were in position to win. Call it good scheming or whatever, I call it very lucky to win this game. As a whole, the team didn't look very good.

Yeah the pass rush outside of blitzes has been pretty mediocre. The injuries obviously don't help but aside from some flashes from Turk and obviously Jones we're getting very little, and certainly did in that game.

Probably my most unpopular opinion is that as great as McDuffie is, and as lights out as he was at the start of the season, the last 2 or 3 games he's looked a tick off the pace.

Obviously Kingsley was a bin fire and the WRs outside of DHop have been pretty ineffective. The rest is just good players having a bad day at the office

Bearcat 12-16-2024 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17798108)
Yep, too many 3rd and Long situations after gaining basically 0 yards on 1st and 2nd down. Hopefully they can find a way to play better next week. They'll need it. I don't think 16 points is enough to defeat Buffalo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17798129)
Last time they scored the same number of points in consecutive weeks was in the 2021 playoffs, so we're probably safe there.

I was glancing at the schedule and thought, shit I wonder when I mentioned scoring the same number of points in consecutive games and if I actually nailed it on the head.

But this thread was post-Broncos/pre-Bills and the Chiefs accomplished it weeks 13 and 14, winning by the exact same score of 19-17.

Oh well, carry on.

Easy 6 12-16-2024 07:34 PM

Defense was a pick, pressure, sack machine... sooo many different defensive players showed up loudly

CJ 95 didn't totally dog it, he swallowed up several runs and helped with pressure... but Karlaftis and Wharton did the heavy lifting

We need more from CJ, hopefully he's just saving something back for the playoffs

The secondary was balls out, taking full advantage of an easy mark

Spags will have these young jokas ready for the playoffs


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