Carson Wentz or Patrick Mahomes?
 

We are starting to see some people saying Carson Wentz is/will be better than Patrick Mahomes. I think it’s ridiculous, but there are people that feel that way. I was wondering if anyone here would choose Wentz over Mahomes. So the choice is simple: who would you rather have as QB for the rest of the season? Wentz Or Mahomes?

This a troll post?

Thanks, but it's just not the same as Deberg :(

DEBERG LIVES

Wentz to allow Mahomes ankle to heal

LMAO

For a second I thought Deberg_1990 was let back into the lounge

And his brain.... lots of brain farts today

Biggest takeaway?

Not a DeBerg thread.

I'd rather have the mexican 3rd stringer what's his name? Olindukuhun?

I haven't seen such talk....


But I will entertain the idea that in a game where:
1) Defense has control
2) Mahomes is obviously playing ****ing terribad.
3) Mahomes is injured
4) There is little time left for the other team to come back with a backup QB.


YES, you certainaly take out Mahomes and give him some time off.

LMAO

Your mom

Delete your account.

Mahomes brain concerns me a lot more than his ankle at the moment.

Wonder if he’s back on the weed?

Stick to bumping 10 year old threads...

I think mahomes is trying to do too much and needs to get back to basics. He isn't hitting his check downs and tries to go for big chunk plays.

Also pass protection is a huge problem. And Andy not running the ball is a big problem. We become e one dimensional, and when the passes aren't connecting, it ruins momentum and rythm

If Mahomes isn’t 100% healthy, sit him! Too much on the line to risk.

He needs to get his head right anyway. A Bye Week this late in the season might do him some good.

Oh yeah, Pedro Oladokun. A classic Mexican last name. :rolleyes:

I'd be interested to get TheGuardian's roidbrained perspective of this QB quandary...

i dont condone murder but op makes a special case for it

In all seriousness,

What needs to happen is Bills lose tonight, we take care of Houston Saturday and then Pat, Kelce, Jones and everyone else important can basically take 5 weeks off.

It sounds a little nutty on the surface, but this team knows how to win. I’m not worried about rust.

What I am worried about is fatigue and injuries. They have played way more games than anyone else the last few years. A month off going into the playoffs would probably do them a lot of good.

If we can get the Lions and Eagles to win today, we can clinch a bye next game. You have to play Patrick if that's the case. He can have 3 weeks after that to heal up.

They're probably not beating Houston with Wentz at QB. Need Mahomes to play.

100%
Having a chance to cinch next Saturday could be an absolute blessing for this team.

Let's see how the rest of the day plays out.

Maybe he is on subpar weed?
Really though, this year has not looked good for Mahomes. Pretty concerning.

There is a conserted effort to get Josh Allen the MVP

You had these same concerns in 2019 and called for Matt Moore to start over Patrick Mahomes that season.

I will post this in every thread you visit until you seek absolution for this position.

Nice try TLO… Not going to bite..

I don’t know.

I wouldn’t send him back out there injured against the Texans if he’s legit injured.

He gets hurt again or worse and it’s season over.

Love having Carson as a backup but he’s not taking us on a Super Bowl run.

Mahomes health is more important than the 1 seed.

It would, but I don’t want to send Pat back out there in 6 days if he’s legitimately hurt.

If Bills and Steelers were both to lose today, Carson Wentz would just have to win one game out of 3 to clinch the one seed. He’s a good enough QB to do that.

I want Pat 100% rested and healthy going into the playoffs.

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With Mahomes being banged up, I'm fine with Wentz getting the start next week. But if Mahomes is healthy, there is no way that I want him to go into the playoffs not playing for a month.

Agreed, they can still win another game with Wentz and Mahomes' health matters more than the one seed anyway.

This is dumb. But I would like to see Reid just have Mahomes run the offense as called like wentz did. Hit your drop make the throw. He’s going to get himself hurt more/again holding the ball all day.

They are both my most favorite QB's in this entire league.

Dude, I just looked at ur post history. You stopped posting at 2:30 am this morn, & started back posting at 5:40 am and have been posting every 6 min all the way until now 12:30 am the following day Bro, seriously, you need to touch some grass. This can't be healthy mentally or physically. As much time as you spend on this site there is no way you have gainful employment. My heart goes out to you, Holy shit, that is depressing

I love Mahomes but he’s having a terrible year. Innacurate, not seeing the field well and bad decisions. This is Alex Smith pre 17 bad. I’m hoping Reid, Nagy and the tackle situation didn’t ruin him for good but he’s a shell of his former self.

I applaud TLO.

Closest to a Deberg thread we've seen in a long time.

Anyone who actually questions this well lets just say football might not be for them

Casey Printers

The most popular player on a struggling team is the backup QB. Not sure wtf is going on hear. I would consider starting Wentz depending on how Mahomes is on Friday. I don’t like putting a gimpy QB on two short weeks with a 13-1 record and 2 game lead for first place.

who said that?

he had 2 nice crisp completions, must be better than the 3 time ROFL

I tried. :(

Show the evidence of that statement or retract.

I've saw some advocate for sitting Mahomes to rest his ankle for the playoffs but no one has suggested Wentz is better.

Deberg 2.0

Dream scenario: Wentz plays and goes off the last couple games. Mahomes takes over in playoffs and wins superbowl.

Wentz is traded for a 1st round pick in the offseason.

is Wentz on a two year contract?

The initial line says Vegas thinks it’s a Wentz game

I’m seeing Chiefs -4, you think it should be higher than that even with Mahomes? We just forced 6 turnovers against one of the worst teams in pro football and scored 21 points.

I think -4 actually seems high, I would have guessed -3 or even -2.5 after that brutal performance.

Texans -1.5

I have Texans -2.5, they think they're resting Mahomes (which would be prudent)

Let Mahomes call the plays, old school, no OC. Just one game.

Not that this would happen, but Carson Wentz pulling a Nick Foles and beating the Eagles in the SB would be the funniest shit to ever happen in the history of the sport

I seen it in the GDT but I'm not naming names. But it's awesome so many don't know what this thread is. This would be a fun time to have DeBerg staring threads.

Any person who advocates for Carson Wentz starting over Patrick Mahomes should be tied up naked in Crown Center while all 510,704 residents of Kansas City, Missouri stand in line to flick him in the nuts.

Wentz should be used on QB sneaks. He was good at that from memory. Would solve our short yardage issues.

If Mahomes is healthy enough to play he should play.

Begs a question if he is unhealthy why? He didn’t have to be. Handing the ball off when you have a 14 point lead in that rainy shit hole mess when your defense is picking everything off should be a no-brainer.

I'd say....it's a pretty good backup QB situation. I'd play Wentz.

I disagree. An extra week of rest will help, we still have cushion on the playoff push, and while mahomes may deal with this ankle injury all year I don’t love a short recovery week immediately after he hurt it. We’re already kind of thinking to Christmas as is because we can’t exhaust our guys to lay a complete egg against the Steelers. Plus wentz is good enough that he can beat a reeling Texans team. Plus we won’t have Humphreys this week.

Different thread for that maybe but I think everyone thinks we should have been running the ball in the second half with the lead we had.

This will be the game we actually run the football and protect the QB and win by 21 because the defense steps up.

We'll finally call an intelligent game on offense and look decent because of it and the g00bers will state the Red Rocket needs to start from here on out.

Examples? Skip Bayless thinks that take is reeruned.

PMII.

What/who/why/when people?

I'd be intrigued to see what they can do with Wentz under center just to give us a new datapoint.

I mean right now we seem to believe that Mahomes is keeping the OL from looking even worse than it is. If we were to put Wentz under center, play as simple as possible and have him just hit his drop, throw the ball and then move onto the next play. We run the ball a bit more when the situation calls for it (as it did in the 3rd/4th quarter yesterday) and just make the offense as ordinary as it can be.

Then see what happens. It might be a damn disaster and prove that Mahomes is the only reason this offense is as much as ordinary. And it might not.

It was only 4 plays or however many yesterday, but....it didn't look disastrous.

This is where I'm at. I wouldn't at all say that I think Wentz is a better option than Mahomes, but I AM curious to know what it would look like.

Don't get me wrong - my expectation is NOT that the offense looks better.

It's that it still looks viable. With a far lesser light at QB. Which could then establish a clearer baseline of how it could work with the better QB back at the controls who now has a clearer vision of where he may just be gripping the bat too tight.

It'll look cleaner. And show better where the duct-tape and bubble game Mahomes and Reid have been using this year was/was not necessary. Where it's helped and where it's hurt.

And again, it might just look like shattered ass. In which case we know that maybe what we've seen over the last 8-10 weeks is (bizarrely) what we have to work with.

But I can't convince myself that's the case. I don't think one single change at LT has made everything THIS much worse.

I think we've lost the plot. And a step back may be hugely beneficial for everyone involved.

I mean it really comes down to this - how confident are we that we can win at Pittsburgh and at Denver, with Denver's season on the line.

Because we CANNOT lose the 1 seed.

So if we think we can win those 2 games and that perhaps giving Mahomes a rest is the best way to do that, go ahead and sit him.

But if Andy is concerned that those teams have shown stuff on tape that make winning on the road against them a real dicey proposition, we can't really afford to **** around. We need to start PM.

Start Mahomes until the 1 seed is secured or his foot falls off, whichever comes first.

The irony is that there's a chance that the Broncos won't have much to play for in that final game and we will. They're locked into a wildcard spot already obviously, so at most they'd be playing for seeding between 5-7 while we might be playing for the bye.

Don't they play Cincy still?

If they lose to the Bengals, that game could be a play-in game for them.

Had a conversation with my boss where he brought up David Carr with the Texans.

David wasn't very good, but he also had a horrendous OL and got mercilessly beat up. Eventually he started just falling down when there was any sign of pressure coming towards him, expecting the sack before it even happened.

Made me think about Mahomes. When you've been getting consistent pressure for what feels like going back all the way to last season, everything breaks down. Anticipation, footwork, confidence, etc. We've talked about it plenty, you start seeing ghosts and run from clean pockets, then hang in there when the pressure swallows you up.

I think it makes more sense than blaming Nagy or blaming the playcalling, even though the playcalling to end the game was horrendous. Everything about Mahomes game breaking down seems more about him not being comfortable back there.

EDIT: I should maybe also contribute to the conversation lol. If Mahomes is hurt and on a short week, maybe rest and some perspective is what he needs. It might be what the whole team needs, frankly.

I'm hoping we eventually get a postmordem about what the actual **** is going on. It's just pure ass on offense.

I am curious if Wentz gets the Nod to play vs the Texans if he hits all the open receivers Pat has been missing.

I think Denver has to finish 2/3 to get that spot.

They've got the Chargers/Bengals/Chiefs to finish.