Playcalling is not the issue
 

Playcalling is not the reason we averaged 4.1 yards per play. There is an elephant in the room this season and it is offensive line play (both LT and RT) and the effect it's had on Mahomes' pocket presence. We are bottom-tier offensively. Run, pass, it doesn't matter -- there are no big plays or easy throws like you see with decent to good offense. Our offense is one of the worst in the league. (If you deny that, you simply don't watch much football. Sorry.)

On the flip side, our D was spectacular today. One of the best performances I can remember.

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Bro Mahomes is missing lots of "easy throws" I'm sure the OL is in his head but it's getting blatant the amount of yards and points left on the field every week.

No explosive plays/no explosive players besides Worthy.

Every TD drive comes on 10+ play drives… hard to consistently rely on that.

Chiefs need plays like Cleveland got on that 62 yard TD run.

I agree but how do you forget how to play QB after being the best of all-time? It makes no sense and has to be an offensive line issue in my opinion.

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Hell ya

Tackles do suck but nobody watching can actually say we should 3 series in any game and ignore running at all. It's stupid when you consider our personnel.

I dunno but he has extremely sloppy mechanics right now so there needs to be some kind of accountability.

Mahomes has played poorly. There’s no doubt.

But he rarely has a clean pocket and even when he does, forgive the guy for feeling quick pressure - real or imagined - because it’s beyond the norm rather than the exception.

It’s impossible to run a high level offense with this OL play. We’re skating by because Mahomes is Mahomes.

Yes, I agree, but we weren't explosive in 2022, but we still were #1 or #2 in yards per play. I think it's the tackles.

Did anyone else catch on the broadcast that connecting on the deep ball was a big emphasis in practice and this week’s gameplan?

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It also helps if Worthy not drop those easy throws too

The o-line play hasn’t been that much different than previous years. We’ve had issues at LT since Fisher left. We had absolutely nothing at WR last year and Mahomes still looked better than this year.

Eventually, people are just going to have to admit that Mahomes is not playing well this year. It’s really that simple. He’s clearly not putting in the work he used to because he’s exhausted, overextended, and constantly having to play injured. That’s the issue, not the o-line.

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Mahomes missed a lot (I think all) of the deep passes he took today. Several of them were open. It's not like it was a small miss, but usually about 10 yards off on those. If he can start dialing in on those, we'll be in business again with the offense.

The offense despite average at best tackle play was still *ELITE* in 2022. Not nearly as many big plays, but just relentless marching down the field. Big drop-off last year but still above average. This year, it's fallen off a cliff.

Kurt Warner (who can be pretty critical of Mahomes’ play), has been banging this drum all season.

Offense wasn’t sharp today, but it absolutely has not been one of the worst in the league this year. #2 in success rate as of a few weeks ago. Best 3rd down conversion rate in years.

They don’t have to be explosive to be effective. And at the end of the day, all that matters is scoring more than the opponent. When they need points, they get them.

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IF I heard right, it was a horrific offensive gameplan with the status of our offensive line and Cleveland’s pass rush.

He looks totally deflated. Rest him next week and allow him to regroup.

The deep ball plays were there - but the throws were not. Pat has been shit in that category all year long.

he hit Hopkins on a deep one but it bounced out when he hit the ground

I think there was more but I can't recall exact moments

We were up 14 in the 4th and called 20 pass plays that took a total of 40 seconds off the clock

I'm making those numbers up but that's how it felt so today was absolutely the play calling WHEN WE HAD the game in hand

Multiple things can be true at once

How is the offensive line an “elephant in the room”? The offensive line is talked about all the time.

I’d argue the plays are going to be there at this point. Secondaries are going to date Pat to hit them until they get burned for it.

This team is exhausted.. We need to wrap this shit up so they can rest..

Oh, I don't think they are going to stop throwing them because they've absolutely been open.

Why rest the starters when we can work on the deep ball timing with a patchwork oline??

he is under pressure constantly....

did you watch the game?

most of the plays the line is getting pushed back with zero time to drop back...

It's genuinely stunning that "fans" can't understand that this goes both ways. better line play , better WR play , better TE play will all build on each other and QB play. it's a system and all connected. Yes it's malfunctioning but it can't be pinned in one guy

for example the TE blocking was garbage today... etc

Then we’re going to need a line that can block them or Patrick to do some hypnotherapy to make him believe that can block them.

Shutting Uche down: Buffoons

Practicing the deep ball with Thuney at LT against Miles Garrett: 4D chess

Maybe the better question to pose here is: Are we actually going to flip the switch this year?

Because that seems to be what a ton of people here are banking on. Just the hope that things will change in the postseason and that change will be enough to get us to the promised land.

But man, these guys just look tired. Last year was more frustration at the lack of execution. This year, it's exhaustion. Just running on E, barely anything left in the tank. I truly don't know if there's enough energy TO flip the switch, once we're in the postseason.

Fire up the meltdown threads after the Vegas game last year and a lot of people were asking the same thing (are we out of gas, etc)

If the offensive line play is bad then maybe calling pass after pass after pass after pass after pass after pass after pass after pass after pass after pass isn't the best strategy.

Um, not sure OP understands what “elephant in the room” means? That’s a phrase for something that goes unsaid or called out. Everyone knows our tackles suck and it’s often discussed here.

Mahomes has had all season to get right on his deep balls. He's still not even close on those. Can we win a 3peat without throwing the ball deep?

It's just hard to do. And its not exactly a replicated strategy of success. I can't think of many teams who did it like we did last year, where we looked done towards the end and pulled a 180 on everyone.

I'm not saying we can't because it's Andy and Patrick, you can never count them out in the postseason. No one would want to do the dirty work of knocking us out of the playoffs.

But its hard to look at everyone's faces, even from the very beginning of the season, and see the absolute exhaustion out of everyone, and not be at least a bit concerned.

Because of the success of the Mahomes era, we have played a whole extra season of football and those 17 extra games are all playoff games, High intensity and stressful games.

What difference does it make -- 4.5 yards per pass vs. 3.8 yards per run. We can't do either one. You can argue about play calling with respect to clock management, sure, whatever, but to focus on play calling misses the issue, which is unless this offense somehow gets much better, winning the SB again is going to be really, really hard.

I was absolutely disgusted with the play-calling second guessers. That's such bullshit and not the issue.

Edit: I believe there were numerous threads with that ****ig idiocy about play calling.

Oh I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t think anyone thinks are tackle play has been good.

What difference does it make? Ask Mahomes tomorrow while he's getting an MRI.

Playcalling is not why the offense sucks this year. End of story.

I thought Tuney played damn good at LT today.

He did well for what was asked of him. Need a lot of help, as would anyone with 95

I literally shut the audio off at one point and started playing S&G’s Sounds of Silence.

This was before the MVPat injury, btw.

Right. Mahomes had his LT get pushed into him by Garrett and bumped out of the pocket to make a play. I still expect the playoffs to go differently.

I wonder if they emphasized Mahomes overthrowing the receiver by 10 yards.

Imaging practicing the deep ball in week 15 with a guard playing left tackle against arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL whose arms look like implants when they have a whole week, to you know…practice the deep ball against our really good defense

No explosive running plays either.

He can't hit the broad side of the barn, why wouldn't they.

Watch some other qbs.

Guys stand in and make throws with pressure.

Hell I thought Wentz looked immediately less rattled than Pat does

I imagine that's because Wentz hasn't been hit 69000 times this season

We’re up 21-7 with ball and 50 seconds to go in the thrid quarter, and we couldn’t even run out the third quarter. That’s play calling. 3 consecutive incomplete passes. What the heck are we passing there for? RRR punt, at least you eat more clock. Then, why are we going for it on 4rth down and still that 14 point lead, as if our offense has been clicking. We must punt there, pin them deep. Instead, good field position given up. I suppose our OC/HC said, it’s just the Browns and we can count on them to turn it over again.

And yet, with a 14 point lead, we kept calling pass plays, putting him in harms way until he got hurt.

Yes it is. It absolutely is.

How much innovation have we seen this year? I don’t care about “saving shit for the playoffs”. We are running the same playcalls from years past and defenses are easily covering it.

It’s not just the shovel pass. I’m a fan and I immediately remember these playcalls and I don’t even watch extensive film, stance patterns, lineup giveaways/hints anything.

Andy needs to do something. If it’s not Nagy then fine. The playcalling is stale and he’s falling into bad Andy again that never runs the ball.

Mahomes has 16 TD and 3 INT in his last 8 games.

If that's "poor" we are truly spoiled.

The Chiefs task was to survive the last two games against two of the deadliest pass rushes in the NFL. They were never expected to flourish.

They passed that shit with flying colors. The defense held up their end and the offense did what was required to win.

Onwards and upwards.

“Flying colors” is super star qb hobbled and possibly missing time and “flourishing” is squeaking by the chargers and on 6 turnovers scoring 22 point then LOL

I get it but I just had too

Andy calls the same plays he’s called every year he’s been here because it gets him 12 plus wins in the regular season. But if you pay attention his play calling changes in the playoffs significantly….which is why ….with Patrick. We’ve had more playoff wins than losses. His play calling in the regular season is intentional….but Andy’s play calling in the playoffs is superior!!

The Chiefs were never expected to flourish offensively in either of these games.

Wanya was so ****ing bad that we were risking losing a game strictly because of the situation at LT.

Well, we found two band aids that got us two wins against two of the deadliest pass rushes in the NFL.

Lesser teams would not have found a way these past two weeks.

We have to do better on offense but the coaching staff gets credit for surviving these past two weeks. It would have been a better grade if they had just been a little smarter on 4th and 3, but that's the NFL.

We have given ourselves a better chance than anyone in football right now.

Hunt and Pacheco each had 13 carries in the game.

Hunt had 3.5 YPC, Pacheco 2.5 YPC.

Against a Cleveland run defense that ranked near the bottom of the league.

Offensive line’s poor run blocking, impacted by Thuney moving to LT?

Hunt/Pacheco’s inability to break big runs?

Andy is getting criticized for not running more in the second half… which is valid criticism… but the running game was horseshit.

His lack of trust and confidence in the offensive line is 100% justified.

I had to turn off Mitch & Matt in the Rewind because they were talking about the offensive line like they performed well.

I don't blame Mahomes because he has literally carried this franchise from purgatory to the mountain top, and his head coach refuses to protect him with play calling, and his GM thought going into the season with only a rookie and second year LT was a good idea.

It has been most of the year. People just can't handle the truth - running the ball more would just lead to more 3 and outs. It isn't working and until they figure out the passing game, it won't.

The passing game was worse. Hopkins, Watson and Kelce are not getting open often. Kelce is not what he was. Mahomes missing passes, OL struggling.

There’s no explosion outside of Worthy

Yeah, the D doesn't respect the pass and plays near the LOS and just overpowers the offensive line. One can quibble about situation play calling but that's 2nd order.

They've basically taken away the short passing game. There's a reason we see all the deep shots.

It's not just LT that's the problem. Taylor is a problem, too. He telegraphs plays.

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Yes, so many of the completions were contested, very tight windows.

The OL is just not playing well.Thats the biggest reason for the struggles.

But man, still cant believe they called 3 pass plays in a row the series where Mahomes got hurt..Especially when one considers the game situation at the time.

Playcalling is definitely an issue. Is it the only issue, NO.

Lets be real its a combination of things, none unfixable, but were running out of time. The line has been below average, the receivers are slow and Mahomes just isn't getting rid of the ball in time. The last one can go a long way to fixing the other two but they all need improvement. The play calling yesterday was abysmal as well. You are up, run the ball, eat the clock keep your QB clean. Who ever was calling plays was not concerned about any of those things.

Basically we have to hope this is the Philly run where a bum ankle locked Mahomes in as a pocket passer and Andy as a WCO play caller and everything starts to click.

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And no explosion in the running game… none.

Ford’s 62 yard run for Cleveland yesterday is almost double the Chiefs longest from a RB for the entire season (Pacheco 34 yards).

He finna be at the GB statue with underwear over his head.

They don't respect the Chiefs' running game. They're jumping on all the short stuff.

Honestly, do a lot of you watch other teams play?

The Chiefs don't have the best OL in the league or anything but it's also far from the worst. Reading here you'd think the Chiefs were rocking with an entire line of nothing but scrubs that shouldn't be starters.

The problem is even when the throws are there, he misses. He just doesn't look like the same guy he was just 2 years ago, all the dynamicness just isn't there. I dunno what the **** happened either, it's really weird.