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suzzer99 12-16-2024 10:38 AM

Do we not have a Mike Caliendo thread?
 
Well we do now!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per PFF, Mike Caliendo had the highest pass-blocking grade on Sunday for the Chiefs and the third-highest run-blocking grade among OL. Fifth-ranked offensive player for the Chiefs overall.</p>&mdash; Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/1868689911207096657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pretty good sign imo. Trey Smith is probably gone.

Hoover 12-16-2024 11:25 AM

Chiefs are flush at guard, with Caliendo, CJ Hanson, Morris, and Kingsley...

If Thuney wants to keep playing, I think you extend him at this point so long as its team friendly deal

RealSNR 12-16-2024 11:34 AM

He does a mean John Madden impression!!!

suzzer99 12-16-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17861547)
He does a mean John Madden impression!!!

Searching for a Mike Caliendo thread, I found 7 threads about Frank Caliendo, most of them complaining about how he sucks now.

BWillie 12-16-2024 11:43 AM

I didn't really see much issues with the line to be honest. I saw awful pocket awareness by Mahomes. LT looked well. Perhaps our interior line did not play as well as usual but Caliendos grade may indicate otherwise.

Thuney looked the best out of any of our LT play previously.

wazu 12-16-2024 11:45 AM

Looks like he's a free agent after this year.

DJ's left nut 12-16-2024 11:48 AM

Yeah, I just feel like this season has taught us that we need to change how we allocate our cap on the OL.

We've been able to make the IOL work just fine with pretty fungible talents.

Thuney's a big dead money blow if we cut him BUT it's still a $16 million savings. As good as he is, that HAS to be on the table.

The Chiefs, IMO, have gotten a little too loosy goosy with positional value. They've spend too much time ignoring it over the last few years. Paying a rotational player like Danna who's not a rotational RUSHER is indicative of kinda losing the plot when it comes to savvy allocation of resources.

We just need to be a little more aware of WHERE we spend the money instead of just focusing on who we spend it on.

DJ's left nut 12-16-2024 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17861572)
Looks like he's a free agent after this year.

We could probably use the VSB on him and retain him at a reduced figure for at least a season.

I doubt a game or two is going to get him a long-term deal.

I also wonder how much actual service time he's accrued. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not accrued enough service time to be anything more than an ERFA, in which case we could retain him at damn near the league minimum; just keep him at an original tender level which would be next to nothing.

I'm betting that's the case based on his time on the roster.

smithandrew051 12-16-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17861586)
Yeah, I just feel like this season has taught us that we need to change how we allocate our cap on the OL.

We've been able to make the IOL work just fine with pretty fungible talents.

Thuney's a big dead money blow if we cut him BUT it's still a $16 million savings. As good as he is, that HAS to be on the table.

The Chiefs, IMO, have gotten a little too loosy goosy with positional value. They've spend too much time ignoring it over the last few years. Paying a rotational player like Danna who's not a rotational RUSHER is indicative of kinda losing the plot when it comes to savvy allocation of resources.

We just need to be a little more aware of WHERE we spend the money instead of just focusing on who we spend it on.

If we aren’t going to give up on Kingsley (we shouldn’t), then is it crazy to just plan on Thuney as our LT for next year?

At least that justifies what he’s being paid.

You can find plug/play Guards in the draft every year. Look what Punni has done in SF. He’s been great.

I’d bet Thuney looks even better at LT with an entire offseason of prep.

RealSNR 12-16-2024 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17861586)
Yeah, I just feel like this season has taught us that we need to change how we allocate our cap on the OL.

We've been able to make the IOL work just fine with pretty fungible talents.

Thuney's a big dead money blow if we cut him BUT it's still a $16 million savings. As good as he is, that HAS to be on the table.

The Chiefs, IMO, have gotten a little too loosy goosy with positional value. They've spend too much time ignoring it over the last few years. Paying a rotational player like Danna who's not a rotational RUSHER is indicative of kinda losing the plot when it comes to savvy allocation of resources.

We just need to be a little more aware of WHERE we spend the money instead of just focusing on who we spend it on.


I’d try to keep him another year because it’s possible Kingsley or a new guy we draft won’t be ready again. I don’t know if Mahomes can handle another year of this shit. It might make him go batty.

I know I know… that’s what Humphries is there for… okay, but if he becomes 100% healthy is he that much better?

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DJ's left nut 12-16-2024 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17861607)
If we aren’t going to give up on Kingsley (we shouldn’t), then is it crazy to just plan on Thuney as our LT for next year?

At least that justifies what he’s being paid.

You can find plug/play Guards in the draft every year. Look what Punni has done in SF. He’s been great.

I’d bet Thuney looks even better at LT with an entire offseason of prep.

The problem with Thuney is that he can't make his arms longer.

Eventually guys will figure out that they can just get into his body and pre-emptively defeat his punch. If they haven't already.

I can't see him holding up at OT for the season. That reach is just going to be something of an issue for him.

I mean people talk about how Schwartz excelled despite relatively short arms - for comparison, Schwartz was at 33 1/2 in arms to 32 1/4 for Thuney. I just don't think he can play the position with that kind of a reach disadvantage. I can't think of anyone who's doing so successfully at the moment.

smithandrew051 12-16-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17861617)
The problem with Thuney is that he can't make his arms longer.

Eventually guys will figure out that they can just get into his body and pre-emptively defeat his punch. If they haven't already.

I can't see him holding up at OT for the season. That reach is just going to be something of an issue for him.

I mean people talk about how Schwartz excelled despite relatively short arms - for comparison, Schwartz was at 33 1/2 in arms to 32 1/4 for Thuney. I just don't think he can play the position with that kind of a reach disadvantage. I can't think of anyone who's doing so successfully at the moment.

Raimann for the Colts has short-ish arms, right? Like sub 33”?

DJ's left nut 12-16-2024 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17861624)
Raimann for the Colts has short-ish arms, right? Like sub 33”?

Yeah, looks like 32 7/8. So still a half inch up on our boy. Raimann compares pretty similarly physically to Jordan Morgan and that was part of the reason Morgan's length didn't worry me as much as a prospect.

But Thuney just barely makes it over 32. At a point there HAS to be a threshhold level and I wonder if Thuney's below that for long-term success there.

Rain Man 12-16-2024 12:06 PM

In the past, I think we just had a combined thread for Nick Allegretti and Mike Caliendo since we thought they were the same person. But now that they've fissioned into two separate people, I think it's time to have our own Caliendo thread.

Mr. Plow 12-16-2024 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17861547)
He does a mean John Madden impression!!!

First thing that popped into my head. LMAO

Kman34 12-16-2024 12:35 PM

We couldn’t run left for shit.. But his pass blocking is more important.. Good job Mike..

Mecca 12-16-2024 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17861586)
Yeah, I just feel like this season has taught us that we need to change how we allocate our cap on the OL.

We've been able to make the IOL work just fine with pretty fungible talents.

Thuney's a big dead money blow if we cut him BUT it's still a $16 million savings. As good as he is, that HAS to be on the table.

The Chiefs, IMO, have gotten a little too loosy goosy with positional value. They've spend too much time ignoring it over the last few years. Paying a rotational player like Danna who's not a rotational RUSHER is indicative of kinda losing the plot when it comes to savvy allocation of resources.

We just need to be a little more aware of WHERE we spend the money instead of just focusing on who we spend it on.

It's true, we have gotten loose on positional value and how we gave money to undervalued positions.

dlphg9 12-16-2024 12:43 PM

According to someone, PFF maybe, Patrick Mahomes was pressured on over 50% of his drop backs. Where did that come from? Were alot of those his own fault?

dallaschiefsfan 12-16-2024 01:19 PM

Extend Thuney a couple of years to lower the 2025 cap hit.
Slide Caliendo to RG in 2025
Draft another LT/RT in the Draft to have another option
Schwartz says Kingsley is an LT, period and they just need to keep working w/ him. This seems to be the best plan for him in the short term.
That said, we also need o give Taylor some looks at LT in TC to expand the options in 2025

Pitt Gorilla 12-16-2024 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17861761)
According to someone, PFF maybe, Patrick Mahomes was pressured on over 50% of his drop backs. Where did that come from? Were alot of those his own fault?

They were bringing guys all game. That used to be a recipe for disaster for the defense, but now it's really not. Receivers need to read the blitz, get open, and Pat needs to hit them.

Titty Meat 12-16-2024 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17861520)
Chiefs are flush at guard, with Caliendo, CJ Hanson, Morris, and Kingsley...

If Thuney wants to keep playing, I think you extend him at this point so long as its team friendly deal


Half of the guys you listed likely won't even be in the league in 3 years

kccrow 12-16-2024 08:03 PM

He'll be an ERFA in 2025, we'll be bringing him back no doubt.

alpha_omega 02-08-2025 03:32 PM

LFG Mike!

Chiefs relying on undrafted guard in quest for Super Bowl three-peat: Who is Mike Caliendo?

NEW ORLEANS -- The Kansas City Chiefs moving All-Pro guard Joe Thuney out to left tackle to plug the struggles on the outside has received plenty of attention ahead of Super Bowl LIX versus the Philadelphia Eagles. Less notice has gone to the man who replaced Thuney.

Who is Mike Caliendo?

Spoiler!

ThyKingdomCome15 02-08-2025 03:57 PM

This is ironic considering he got mauled by Phillips on the second to last drive. It was brutal timing and it put the game in doubt with us only able to come away with a FG.

With how good the interior of the Eagle's DL is it is encouraging news.

Deberg_1990 02-08-2025 04:05 PM

Andy’s Chiefs have always been decent at developing these unsung fatties. Not the most talented guys, but work in a pinch.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2025 02:05 PM

smooth brains wanted Andy to run more LMAO

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Wisconsin_Chief 02-10-2025 03:00 PM

Dude sucks ****ing shit. Should not be on an NFL roster, or at the very least should damn sure never be seeing the field in a Super Bowl unless someone literally dies on the sideline. Another massive miscalculation with this turd, he is utter garbage.

SurroundedByMorons 02-10-2025 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17962962)
smooth brains wanted Andy to run more LMAO

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Trey was absolutely stunned on that pull. Unbelievable

Marcellus 02-10-2025 03:15 PM

Those of us that wanted Humphries at LT and Thuney back at LG were proven somewhat correct last night.

May not have been much better but couldn't have been worse.


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