The Chiefs on HBO's Hard Knocks
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs appear on HBO&#39;s Hard Knocks! <a href="https://t.co/ZhGQyTdjyk">pic.twitter.com/ZhGQyTdjyk</a></p>&mdash; 📽️ Red Tribe Cinema (@ClayWendler) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayWendler/status/1876676663175757986?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"we'll see you boys down the road"

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I hope they got a camera crew in to film the Bengals players watching the Chiefs Broncos game.

Ja'Marr Chase 2023: "Pat Who?"
Ja'Marr Chase 2024: "WHERE'S PAT!? WE NEED PAT"

I will pay goddamn good money for that clip.

I know the Chiefs have already been on Hard Knocks, but I wish HBO would have decided to put them on again this year to follow the road to the 3peat.

Tomlin is this generations Marty

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Worst playoff win percentage in modern era (minimum 10 games):<br><br>Marty Schottenheimer .278<br>Dennis Green .333<br>Chuck Knox .389<br>John Robinson .400<br>MIKE TOMLIN .444<br><br>Tomlin is one of the worst playoff coaches of all-time. Those are facts.</p>&mdash; Andrew Fillipponi (@ThePoniExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1876629219649724438?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't think he's a great coach, BUT, I don't think you should be holding his playoff record against him like that considering how many times he got a shit team into the playoffs that had no business being there.

I don't think this makes him a bad coach honestly, the never having a losing record thing I get why it's impressive but it also is why his playoff record looks like that.

By never really bottoming out or having a bad year, you are constantly drafting no better than like 18th, this means your team loses talent and without a generational QB, you are what they are.

I remember all those years of Marty ball where the Chiefs had winning records but were always one and done in the playoffs. Much of it was on Carl Peterson too. We played well enough to never get a low enough draft pick to select an elite QB and we just relied on good defense and modest offense.

Hopefully they showcase the ass chewing after that butt **** dismal performance.

I knew Marty was bad, but holy shit when you look at that list. Reid and Mahomes have done so much to reverse the horrific negative mojo that just hung over this city every year before they arrived.

Yeah I was gonna say he's taking a lot of flack these days and that team has not had a legit good QB in probably 5-6 years. He's basically been keeping that team afloat with an old Roethlisberger and Kenny Pickett. If you give Tomlin a GM that can help give him offensive talent you'd probably have something.

He's Jeff Fisher with better press.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd absolutely be ready to move on from Mike Tomlin. The issue isn't even that he's a bad coach -- it's that he's an average coach and a bad CEO.

If you're a guy who doesn't have a coaching tree to speak of. Who doesn't call plays or design concepts. If you're a guy who's sole role appears to be as a motivator then you HAVE to have good coordinators.

He doesn't. Ever. Because the guys he wants in those roles simply aren't creative enough. Has a Tomlin coordinator ever gone on to have a HC role? Does his 'coaching tree' have even a single branch?

I don't believe it does.

And honestly, I don't think it ever will because he's just not a guy who's going to go find a young coaching phenom and give him the keys.

Tomlin is more part of the problem than a solution at this point.

I'm actually surprised he isn't fired yet. They have been very loyal, but he's simply not good now.

No losing seasons, two SB appearances, one ring on a franchise that is known for retaining coaches has bought him a lot of slack.

Pittsburg has always been about stability at the HC spot. They go the to the opposite extreme of the coaching carousel.

Wasn’t Bruce Arians a coordinator there at some point? Your overall point is good, regardless.

Their defensive coordinator for most of the time was Dick LeBeau who wasn't going to get another coaching job. Kind of the same issue Spags has. But it goes back to needing a GM who can find some offensive talent and a coordinator who can use it. That's not been their strength.

There's one more episode, at least. ROFL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ja&#39;Marr is always open. ��*♂️<br><br>A new episode of Hard Knocks In Season with the AFC North airs tonight at 9pm ET on Max.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JaMarrChase?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JaMarrChase</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JoeBurrow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JoeBurrow</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bengals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bengals</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HardKnocks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HardKnocks</a> <a href="https://t.co/siRbl488a5">pic.twitter.com/siRbl488a5</a></p>&mdash; Sports on Max (@SportsonMax) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsonMax/status/1876671461814948238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And LeBeau pre-dated Tomlin anyway.

Tomlin is more part of the LeBeau tree than vice versa. His first NFL coaching job was coaching DBs w/ LeBeau as the coordinator in Cincy.

I mean Brian Flores came on as a LBs coach for a season AFTER he'd gotten fired by Miami and before he went onto Minnesota. I don't think that counts.

Bruce Arians was the OC for him when the Cardinals hired away Wisenhunt after Cowher retired. I guess that would count (but even Arians came in under Cowher).

That's as close as I can find. And it's worth noting that it's literally the only season where Tomlin has demonstrated any post-season success.

He NEEDS premier coordinators and doesn't seem to be worth a damn at identifying them.

What could Pitt get in a trade for Tomlin? Seriously.

A guy who is so damn stable that he never has losing seasons has to be worth a first-rounder to some piss poor franchise.

If you are Pitt, and you can trade him for a 1 + probably have your pick of the pool in terms of available coaches because you're such a respected franchise... that could mean getting your QBOTF.

It's like Andy and Philly. It's just time to move on.

The problem is that those 'piss poor franchises' are picking in the top 10.

If you're the Jets, you can't give up a 1 for him.

But maybe a 2026 first rounder? 2025 2nd? Can they do the 2025 pick, though, having given up capital for Adams? And a 2026 first could be a disaster since they have no idea what their QB situation for next season is.

Bad franchises are often not in a good position to make trades like this because of the very decisions that MAKE them bad franchises.

Maybe its an early 2, probably would be fair based on what Payton went for. Other caveat is Mike Tomlin doesn't need the money. He is probably going to pick his spot.

that's whats so funny about the "oh the Chiefs have the refs in their pocket" and the related conspiracies.

like people really think the NFL is in love with the Chiefs? the KC Chiefs? I remember 10 years ago getting made fun of when I said if the Chiefs had the right QB we could win a SB

Tomlin states, “you can’t play zone or he’ll pick you apart”… to which they didn’t much. Nor did Houston.

Two game sample size of good defenses going man heavy, but because of Hollywood, because of Worthy’s development… it simply didn’t work.

And yet Tomlin is still right. If you go zone heavy, Mahomes has become surgical in those matchups. He’d prefer it even.

And so really, as was the case always with Brady and Manning, the BEST way to beat these QBs is if you are able to go man coverage with a four-man pass rush.

And yet now, with these weapons fully engaged.. I don’t know that a defense can pull it off. I really don’t.

What’s it mean? What we already know to be true. The only thing that can stop this threepeat is going to be the Chiefs themselves.

EDIT: Same thing played out in '19 where teams thought they could get fat any happy with press man cause it worked when Tyreek and Watkins were out a few games. Then they came back. Rest is history...

Depends entirely if we start Joe Thuney.

We're one and done with Jort Tooney at LT.

The Steelers have had 3 coaches in my life. Seriously, 3 coaches.

And two are in the HOF

I still maintain that if you think Tomlin isn’t a good coach, you have to feel the same about Harbaugh.

They're too busy beating themselves off for only having 6 coaches or whatever it was.

I'm definitely not as high on Harbaugh as some. He's very similar to his brother. He better hope they can build a good defense because the way he runs his offense isn't going to win many, if any, championships, despite the presence of Herbert.

john or jim? i think john is overrated at this point

Oh, well I was actually talking about John lol

If you look at some of the numbers, Tomlin has actually been better than John Harbaugh.

Been a little while since we had this debate but I think Tomlin is far better in the regular season and Harbaugh is slightly better in the postseason.

Sorry, I definitely meant John.

John Harbaugh is the same ceo type head coach that is entirely dependent on his coordinators to do the xs and os.

John's always been a fair bit more high variance, but they're very similar in their approach.

To John's credit, The Ravens were in pretty sharp decline under Billick when he took over. He took over a 5-11 football team and then with a QB he drafted/developed, turned them into a perennial playoff team overnight and won a SB with them. He went THROUGH Foxborough to get there, no less -- the only team to beat Brady at home in the playoffs, right? Or at least during those prime years?

Then as Flacco aged out, he drafted/developed a NEW young quarterback who's won MVPs. He's hired strong assistants who have rebuilt that offense and that defense a couple of different times. The 'detail stuff' like special teams is typically better under Harbaugh than it's been under Tomlin.

The things that his particular style of coach is supposed to do (the CEO type) he's done a little better than Tomlin pretty much across the board.

Tomlin took over a team with a young QB who'd already won a championship. That had an established, championship coaching staff essentially pre-built around him with Arians and LeBeau already on staff. And has won all of 3 playoff games since 2010.

And I'm not gonna Stan for Harbaugh's coaching genius either, especially not in the post-season. But when you look at the job he took over and the way that team has been built/rebuilt, i think he's demonstrated more than Tomlin. Not a lot, but a little.

I'd hate to live off the difference either way.

Harbaugh is a great coach