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Hammock Parties 01-07-2025 02:52 PM

Raiders fire Antonio Pierce
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> have fired coach Antonio Pierce following a trying season, despite a flurry at the end, per me, <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TomPelissero</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeGarafolo</a>. <br><br>One and done for Pierce, and Las Vegas is open once again. <a href="https://t.co/DKt3AQKrmW">pic.twitter.com/DKt3AQKrmW</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1876729456963801123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New World Order 01-07-2025 02:53 PM

Remember when he said they had the recipe to beat the Chiefs?

ha

DaFace 01-07-2025 02:53 PM

He seems like a good "players coach," but that's tough when you have so few "players."

I bet he'll catch on as someone's DC.

New World Order 01-07-2025 02:54 PM

Jon Gruden is available.

Deberg_1990 01-07-2025 02:55 PM

Was it because he is black?

Danguardace 01-07-2025 02:55 PM

Damn it

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-07-2025 02:55 PM

So, where were the "Mahomes Rules", Antonio?

Buehler445 01-07-2025 02:55 PM

Hopefully the next guy doesn't openly advocate cheap shotting Mahomes.

Rainbarrel 01-07-2025 02:55 PM

Does Markus do it in person or send the axeman

pugsnotdrugs19 01-07-2025 02:57 PM

Bummer

RunKC 01-07-2025 02:58 PM

If Brady is providing input I’d imagine he’s gonna want Vrabel

Pepe Silvia 01-07-2025 02:59 PM

A step in the right direction unfortunately.

Radar Chief 01-07-2025 02:59 PM

There's a shocker.

https://i.ibb.co/86QCMCf/shocker.jpg

htismaqe 01-07-2025 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17897076)
If Brady is providing input I’d imagine he’s gonna want Vrabel

Yeah, we could really use another guy like that in the AFCW. Just good enough to give us fits during the regular season, just like Harbaugh.

KC_Connection 01-07-2025 03:00 PM

Damn, too bad.

loochy 01-07-2025 03:02 PM

Yeah. I mean it's the Raiders so it's hard to feel bad, but WTF is he supposed to do with that team and especially that QB situation?

scho63 01-07-2025 03:04 PM

****ed up franchise does ****ed up thing.

No shock or ****s given.

scho63 01-07-2025 03:04 PM

Could they have fired him because they told him to tank for #1 pick and he said **** you with wins?

Garcia Bronco 01-07-2025 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17897076)
If Brady is providing input I’d imagine he’s gonna want Vrabel

That's too much coaching awesome in one division.

Megatron96 01-07-2025 03:21 PM

Like clockwork.


Only curious to see how much Brady's input is considered when choosing the next victim, I mean LVR-HC.

B_Razz 01-07-2025 03:29 PM

They should sign gruden for a 3rd time

tredadda 01-07-2025 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17897062)
He seems like a good "players coach," but that's tough when you have so few "players."

I bet he'll catch on as someone's DC.

Going from position coach to HC typically doesn’t go well. He needs coordinator experience.

Gary Cooper 01-07-2025 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17897069)
So, where were the "Mahomes Rules", Antonio?

Straight Outta Compton.

Hammock Parties 01-07-2025 03:41 PM

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smithandrew051 01-07-2025 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17897062)
He seems like a good "players coach," but that's tough when you have so few "players."

I bet he'll catch on as someone's DC.

“Players’ Coaches” do well as interim coaches normally.

It’s harder when you have to manage the entire team from camp through a season though.

I’d always bet against interim coaches making it work long term.

htismaqe 01-07-2025 03:43 PM

I hope he's bitter and doesn't hand down his formula for beating the Chiefs to his successor.

ChiefsCountry 01-07-2025 04:03 PM

Never hire the interm unless it's a legit situation where they win. Also never listen to the players.

wazu 01-07-2025 04:04 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can yall tell me the mahomes rules again?</p>&mdash; Bobby Stroupe (@bobbystroupe) <a href="https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe/status/1876751363750728072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KCUnited 01-07-2025 04:05 PM

He'll be selling cars soon...oh wait

KCJake 01-07-2025 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 17897067)
Was it because he is black?

Raiders lose 2 draft picks for this move right?

KCJake 01-07-2025 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17897146)
He'll be selling cars soon...oh wait

Don't recommend. Slow times right now

DJ's left nut 01-07-2025 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 17897085)
Yeah. I mean it's the Raiders so it's hard to feel bad, but WTF is he supposed to do with that team and especially that QB situation?

Nothing.

But fix the QB situation and he'd still do nothing.

When the QB sucks, it's hard to tell if you have the right guy. I don't think it's that hard to tell if you have the wrong one.

Pierce was overmatched from the jump. And there's no better place for that to be proven than the division with Reid, Payton and Harbaugh.

The latter 2 aren't in the same class as Reid, but Pierce isn't in the same class as them either.

There are too many good coordinators out there to stick with a guy who's ceiling as a HC is mediocre. When Dennis Allen is the sort of guy you might end up as someday, I just don't know what the point in keeping you around is.

I honestly don't know how you break the door down as a defensive-minded HC anymore. You have to be successful immediately to get the sort of buy-in that would be necessary to build a program that way.

DeMeco Ryans is the only guy you can point to as a guy who really got a quick turnaround and seemed to have bought himself some time. But man, if they go one and done and then Stroud continues to spin his wheels next season, they may move on from him as well.

If you can point to whiz bang offensive shit you do, you can buy yourself some time (see that ridiculous frontrunning fraud, Mike McDaniel). But these defense first CEO style coaches have to point to their record and it had better be good in a hurry.

DJ's left nut 01-07-2025 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Razz (Post 17897116)
They should sign gruden for a 3rd time

I mean why not? They're paying him either way...

How many years left on that contract? Gotta be 3-4. Might as well put him to work...

RealSNR 01-07-2025 04:20 PM

That’s what happens when you let a dumbass like Maxx Crosby hire the coach

wazu 01-07-2025 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Razz (Post 17897116)
They should sign gruden for a 3rd time

I mean if Tom Brady is making the call why not Josh McDaniels?

jdubya 01-07-2025 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17897062)
He seems like a good "players coach," but that's tough when you have so few "players."

I bet he'll catch on as someone's DC.

He gave them a "bounce" when McDaniels was canned but he was in so far over his head it was obvious hes not HC material. Better as a LB position coach.

I think Brady has Mark Davis ear. Time will tell if Telesco and Brady are on the same page going forward but anything is better than Mark Davis having much input.

Eureka 01-07-2025 04:24 PM

Well that's an improvement.

They're not doing anything unless they draft/develop a QB.

ChiefsCountry 01-07-2025 04:36 PM

Pierce also got Arizona State on probation

Megatron96 01-07-2025 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Razz (Post 17897116)
They should sign gruden for a 3rd time



I think Gruden just got hired by Barstool sports.



However, he would be a vast upgrade over what they've had since he left. When he was HC, at least LVR was trending in the right direction. Since he resigned, LVR's HC situation has been a tire fire.

SAGA45 01-07-2025 05:50 PM

Lou Anarumo seems like the perfect fit for the Raiders.

Kman34 01-07-2025 05:56 PM

He shouldn’t have been hired to begin with.. Rode the coattails of a win against us on a day where we weren’t interested on Christmas…

Bowser 01-07-2025 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17897076)
If Brady is providing input I’d imagine he’s gonna want Vrabel

This is a great point

Hammock Parties 01-07-2025 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 17897291)
Lou Anarumo seems like the perfect fit for the Raiders.

They should hire him to be their DC immediately. Thank god the Chargers or Broncos won't get their hands on him. Not sure I could take that.

Chiefspants 01-07-2025 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 17897297)
He shouldn’t have been hired to begin with.. Rode the coattails of a win against us on a day where we weren’t interested on Christmas…

Exactly why we hired Crennel, if I recall correctly.

C-Mac 01-07-2025 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17897076)
If Brady is providing input I’d imagine he’s gonna want Vrabel

I can't see Vrabel passing up the Patriots job.

htismaqe 01-07-2025 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-Mac (Post 17897341)
I can't see Vrabel passing up the Patriots job.

I can't either. If he can make the right coordinator hires (which he's struggled with in the past) and develop Maye, it would be a great job to have.

FloridaMan88 01-07-2025 06:30 PM

Tom Brady part of the FOX announcing team if/when the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl… while actively involved with the Raiders hiring a HC.

ChiefsHawk 01-07-2025 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17897126)
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Gotta love petty Mahomes lol

Hammock Parties 01-07-2025 06:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders head coaches since Andy Reid became the Chiefs head coach: 7<br><br>Raiders wins vs the Chiefs since Andy Reid became their head coach: 4 <a href="https://t.co/DubbNHW77c">pic.twitter.com/DubbNHW77c</a></p>&mdash; 🗣🎙‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1876731998150029637?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MarkDavis'Haircut 01-07-2025 06:42 PM

Celebrating a great day!

Get lost, AP!

MahomesMagic 01-07-2025 06:50 PM

Lol, Mahomes is amazing.

jjchieffan 01-07-2025 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17897117)
Going from position coach to HC typically doesn’t go well. He needs coordinator experience.

Andy Reid did okay without ever being a coordinator.

Megatron96 01-07-2025 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17897413)
Andy Reid did okay without ever being a coordinator.



There's no comparison between Andy Reid and Antonio Pierce.

New World Order 01-07-2025 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17897394)
Celebrating a great day!

Get lost, AP!

Who do you want

Why Not? 01-07-2025 07:31 PM

The Raiders will definitely get this next hire right!

Hammock Parties 01-07-2025 07:32 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ggu_Kx2X...jpg&name=small

Rainbarrel 01-07-2025 07:33 PM

Mike Tyson would be great

DrunkBassGuitar 01-07-2025 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17897061)
Remember when he said they had the recipe to beat the Chiefs?

ha

He looks like he has a lot of recipes

tredadda 01-07-2025 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17897413)
Andy Reid did okay without ever being a coordinator.

Correct. That’s why I said typically. For every Andy Reid how many Antonio Pierce’s are there?

Dawson 01-08-2025 05:19 AM

Pierce was a bad head coach. It was their DC Pat Graham that had a good game plan for attacking Mahomes. I see Bengals are after Graham now.

Buehler445 01-08-2025 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawson (Post 17897662)
Pierce was a bad head coach. It was their DC Pat Graham that had a good game plan for attacking Mahomes. I see Bengals are after Graham now.

What gameplan is that? Find Max Crosby and convince him to hate Mahomes?

InChiefsHeaven 01-08-2025 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17897145)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can yall tell me the mahomes rules again?</p>&mdash; Bobby Stroupe (@bobbystroupe) <a href="https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe/status/1876751363750728072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I missed this somehow. What were the Mahomes Rules? I know he said he had the formula for beating the Chiefs...

RealSNR 01-08-2025 07:15 AM

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/m...matters-to-me/

Quote:

"I'm not here to rebuild, I'm here to win. So I don't know, whatever that means," Crosby said, via Crunch Time Sports, on Thursday. "But, I'm here to win now. Wherever I'm gonna be I'm gonna be here to win so that's all that matters to me."
This is also Maxx Crosby one year ago:

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/...l%2Dtime%20job.

Quote:

Saturday, Las Vegas Raiders star defensive end Maxx Crosby confirmed a Friday Silver and Black Pride report that he could potentially request a trade if interim head coach Antonio Pierce isn’t given the full-time job.
Bitch YOU started the rebuild when you threatened your own franchise into hiring a terrible and inexperienced head coach that wasted a whole season of everybody's time.

****ing moron.

FlaChief58 01-08-2025 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17897061)
Remember when he said they had the recipe to beat the Chiefs?

ha

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MarkDavis'Haircut 01-08-2025 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17897444)
Who do you want

The Bucs OC.

Buehler445 01-08-2025 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17897679)
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/m...matters-to-me/



This is also Maxx Crosby one year ago:

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/...l%2Dtime%20job.



Bitch YOU started the rebuild when you threatened your own franchise into hiring a terrible and inexperienced head coach that wasted a whole season of everybody's time.

****ing moron.

I don't think anyone is accusing Crosby as a thinking man.

redfan 01-08-2025 07:45 AM

Well dang. I was hoping he'd be there for a long time. Only one full season? You hardly got to know him!
C'mon faid, you gotta give him a little more leeway to find his players.

Buehler445 01-08-2025 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17897695)
The Bucs OC.

That's probably a good dude to take a swing on.

However, there might be some problems with dudes taking this guy seriously.

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/u...ftzydmkanw.jpg

InChiefsHeaven 01-08-2025 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17897703)
That's probably a good dude to take a swing on.

However, there might be some problems with dudes taking this guy seriously.

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/u...ftzydmkanw.jpg

Oof. OK.

But, if Mike McDaniel can do it...this 10th grader should be able to...

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...ytefceecvtqggs

MarkDavis'Haircut 01-08-2025 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17897703)
That's probably a good dude to take a swing on.

However, there might be some problems with dudes taking this guy seriously.

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/u...ftzydmkanw.jpg

Pair a rookie QB with an offensive mind. It isn't rocket science.

Likely whoever Mark picks will fail but take a chance on someone new. Not a failed retread like Flores.

Buehler445 01-08-2025 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 17897707)
Oof. OK.

But, if Mike McDaniel can do it...this 10th grader should be able to...

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...ytefceecvtqggs

You really think dudes take Mc****nuckle seriously? I don't.

Buehler445 01-08-2025 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17897710)
Pair a rookie QB with an offensive mind. It isn't rocket science.

Likely whoever Mark picks will fail but take a chance on someone new. Not a failed retread like Flores.

Oh I agree.

Definitely better than the Brian Flores type (who should never coach again after how he handled Tua).

BWillie 01-08-2025 08:36 AM

While this guy is a clown, you hired him. You gotta give these guys more than one year. Ridiculous that Mayo and Pierce only got one year...also considering how bad the team was to begin with.

It certainly appears there is a trend of black coaches getting a quick hook. I don't really know what else to call it.

burt 01-08-2025 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17897149)
Don't recommend. Slow times right now

No shit......

DJ's left nut 01-08-2025 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17897701)
I don't think anyone is accusing Crosby as a thinking man.

I still enjoy listening to Nick Bosa mic'ed up more than any living being on the planet.

He might just be the dumbest human being alive. If he had a wristband that just said "breath" on it, it wouldn't surprise me. Because I could see him just forgetting to do that on occasion.

God almighty is Nick Bosa a dipshit. To the point that he's almost an SNL character. The guy is a parody of an idiot jock. Gronk is just a big ol doofy goofball who I think comes across as dumber than he is (though I do not believe him to be brilliant) but Bosa is just duuuuuuuuuuumb.

And no, in no universe would I ever SAY that to him because he could literally ingest me. He's a scary dude.

But I think my 6 year old could beat him in a spelling bee. And not the girl either - the stupid one. Boy twin could beat him. I'll bet he sweats when he reads.

DJ's left nut 01-08-2025 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17897739)
You really think dudes take Mc****nuckle seriously? I don't.

They don't.

You see that post-season press conference where he just talks about being frustrated because guys keep showing up late to meetings or skipping them outright and he can only fine them so many times?

Those guys have ZERO respect for that clown.

He's as big a fraud of a HC as the sport has. He may be a very good OC for someone, but no, his team doesn't respect him in the slightest. And that's why they fold when the pressure is on.

Wallcrawler 01-08-2025 09:35 AM

Did a lot of bumpin them gums to come out and do absolutely nothing.

Raiderhater 01-08-2025 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17897462)
The Raiders will definitely get this next hire right!

https://media.tenor.com/k6TpzXp-mVwA...ker-murray.gif

Raiderhater 01-08-2025 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17897739)
You really think dudes take Mc****nuckle seriously? I don't.

There is a meme out there currently that I am hesitant to post here because the message is about the decline of America and I am not trying to spin this off into some political or otherwise non-football debate - but it is a side by side of McDaniel and Tom Landry, and it answers your question quite succinctly.

wazu 01-08-2025 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 17897670)
I missed this somehow. What were the Mahomes Rules? I know he said he had the formula for beating the Chiefs...

Basically it was that they would hit and be extra physical with Mahomes all game to wear him down and frustrate him. Was a take-off of the "Jordan Rules" that I guess the Detroit Pistons used to have for playing against Michael Jordan. Pierce talked about this strategy in a press conference last offseason. Matches with the after the play bullshit we're used to seeing from Maxx Crosby.


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