Tush Push
 

Ok, lot of great minds out there so lets have at it. How do the Chiefs stop the tush push. My thinking is to line 2 interior linemen on each side of the center. Right behind them with a slight angle to the center are 2 more big body linemen. All eyes are watching the ball. As soon as it starts moving, the 2 columns push forward. The behind linemen pushing the forward linemen. The ends seal the edge while line backers, corners and safeties watch for a pass.

Do what they did vs the Bills.

Would running the tush push as a defensive unit be able to stop it? Just mimic the offense and without having to worry about ball security just blast forward with everyone at the center. I'm sure this is stupid and I don't know what Im talking about so before anyone calls me a dumbass, I'm letting you know upfront, I am. Just reply to me with that assumption in place.

You beat it on 1st and 2nd downs (and maybe 3rd if it's 4 down territory).

I think similar to what Wharton and Tranquill did on the bills one you get everyone to make contact then turn their backs and all push the same direction.

The easy answer is not to get in third and fourth and one.

I think you have to get the momentum going to the side rather than trying to go right at them. If you get their line moving left or right instead of downhill, you can change the momentum of the movement.

If Jalen is having to go left or right a couple of yards to pick it up, that's a different equation than going downhill for a half yard.

Line all the defenders up outside. Let the offensive linemen through then collapse everyone in from the outside, smashing the quarterback. They can have the 3 yards at a cost.

Eventually the cost will outweigh the benefit.

The reality is we won't be able to stop it. They aren't Buffalo. Stop them from short yardage situations.

You have to basically jump the snap. You have to time it faster than them. Which is nearly impossible, so it's basically unbeatable.

Don't get in that situation. Win 1st and 2nd down.

The above but do not stop playing even when you hear the whistle.

Forward progress seems to never get called early so you can’t assume the play is dead.

Looked like they worked on it a ton for the Bills game. Hopefully it carries over.

Didn't the Bills do something where Allen moves to the right where as the eagles go straight ahead?

Seems like they’re pressing their luck to continue doing the tush push with a QB on a bad knee.

Stop comparing it to the Bills. Eagles run it differently and more effectively.

How about the offense lights up the scoreboard so we don't care if they run a play to pick up 3 yards...

We do detail better than any other coaching staff in the league. If there is a point f weakness to the Tush Push you can bet that these will be the guys to find it and also wait until the critical moment to tip their hand and make a game changing of dealing stop.

Break his freakin neck!

They did have limited success vs Wash.

It needs to be eliminated

Get a bazooka.

Once you light them up with molten copper they won't try it again.

Yeah it'll result in a "half the distance to the goal line" unnecessary roughness penalty. But worth it, IMO.

How bout you have a safety come clean around the edge after the interior holds them up, his job is to find Hurts from the side and rip that mothafugging ball free.

He usually disappears in the pile between the Oline and the tush pushers.

It will be eliminated when dudes start getting their knees rolled up and their careers shortened.

Or the Chiefs start using successfully.

No doubt, we are like the Johnathon E(Rollerball) of the NFL.

Always wondered why nobody tries this

Has any team ever stopped it consistently?

Jalen hurts is undefeated at tush push.

look, in Rugby it's illegal to enter the ruck from the sides, so the key to this is coming into the scrum from the sides. It is dangerous, people will get blown up, but the league has brought this upon themselves. Rugby doesn't allow coming in from the sides cause it's dangerous.

A gap tackles with a strong line backer(Chenell) hooking into their middle behind, They all bind at the snap, then every other lineman bind with that push to counter the iggles scrum. strongest team wins.

This is the way.

IIRC the Bills were actually more successful with their version.

Then we ate their lunch when it mattered most...

when at the bottom of the pile, grab some flesh and bite the f out of it till it bleeds. Then maybe they quit doing it. (i'm just kidding)

Have CJ sneak into the Eagles locker room before the game and threaten Hurts with a real “tush push.” Hurts won’t want to go anywhere near the D line after that.https://64.media.tumblr.com/476dd883...1dfe2d5212.gif

Would it make sense to stack the line with the heaviest and strongest guys on the team, including Offensive linemen? Then three of the most powerful guys behind them pushing also? And two edges coming into the backfield from the side to smash into the Eagles pushers sideways to throw them off the pile.

I have been saying this since it came out, you attack by angle!

Plus the Eagles get lower when they line up.

So more BEEF up front, the strongest guys you have and I would even BEEF UP behind your DL. It's about strength and the angle of your attack.


Stay out of the short yardage situations


As for Buffalo, they just executed poorly. Always going 1 way, to Allens left. Plus Allen comes in high, not low like Hurts does.

We can't attack the wedge the same way like Buffalo, just can't.

Mike Pennel mofo

Cankles FTW!!!

with our dicks

did you miss the bills game?

Keeping them behind the chains is the only way.

Brett Kollman has a video on potentially how to stop the tush push.

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In short, he thinks the secret to success is that everybody on the interior of the DL is lined up to stop the center. But the secret sauce is that the left guard and left tackle attack inward, rather than blocking straight across from them. That creates a power-double at the point of attack against DTs who are kinda being earholed by the left side of the line, who they aren't targeting.

The best answer he has: try a more "zipper"-type of formation, where you line all of your DL up in every gap against the DL, and attack straight forward, rather than attacking the A gaps and the center.

Every time I hear “tush push”… Cinderella plays in my mind.

I have been thinking about this and why the hell the NFL made it legal in 2005?

It used to be illegal and part of the Assisting the Runner penalty.

I hate the play, honestly. Not because of the Eagles or any particular loss to it... It's just the premise that you are assisting the runner in gaining yards by moving his body in some way. I don't think that should be allowed whether it's a pull or a push. If you're going to enable pushing then why not pulling or lifting and carrying?

Forget stopping the ball carrier, just have the DL dive at the knees of the OL.

What about a RB running into a pile of defenders, and then a bunch of his teamates jump in and push him against the defenders? Honestly, that's one of my favorite things to watch, and in the case of Kareem Hunt, it seems he's gonna get another 5 yards maybe more because he keeps churning while being pushed. But without that help, he'd not get that extra yardage.

I dunno, I don't mind it in that type scenario. But in a scenario where (like the tush push) it's a planned part of the play...seems like it should not be allowed.

Except it's very hard to get lower than the OLine, who are largely bear crawling anyway.

Mailata and Dickerson are the key to how it works for them. They are two massive o-linemen on the left side of their line and Hurts goes behind them almost all the time. Literally impossible to stop on short gains. On top of that, you have Goedert and Barkley pushing Hurts from behind.

That was a penalty back in the day. I'd argue, just like with the tush push, it should be one now. You shouldn't be able to assist the runner by moving his body. Move the opponents but not the runner.

Fair enough.

I would argue rugby scrums increase the likelihood of player injury. The offense shouldn't be allowed to assist a ball carrier in any way, IMO.

Just expand "blocking below the waist" so it applies to all situations. LMAO

The Bills are surely drafting a QB sneak rule change

The Chiefs absolutely need to get good at this with their backup QB. One year of the Chiefs running the tush push and the league will insta-ban it.

How to stop the Tush Push = Don’t get yourself into a 4th and 1 or 2 situation with the Philadelphia Eagles. That’s it.

I thought Jones got hurt on the first one of the game--neck

Looked like he had a stinger.

Yeah, it seemed like a wierd attempt to stop the play. He looked like he angled in and was attempting to shove the center sideways. But it made it to easy for the G to shove him in the endzone.

To me the only thing you can do is try and match the OL and pushers power. Which given their size is impossible.

Extra beef in the middle, then send 3 or 4 DBs/LBs straight down the line and take out the legs of the pushers.

What stops an action? An equal and opposite reaction. You mirror the offense. Line up man to man, just offset like the previous video explains (zipper), with a beefy guy on D as the QB and two guys behind him.

It's simple physics...you just have to be able to react to the snap quick enough and your guys have to be similar in size and strength to their guys.

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Or, they could reinstate the rule that RBs are to be unaided. Like it used to be before all this nonsense started. "I know, let's just pick him up and carry him across the line!" :shrug:

Unidentified Team submits proposal to ban Tush Push.

It will at least be discussed by team owners over the next 4-5 weeks.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-ban-tush-push

Time to go.

The Chiefs are the unidentified team right?

I'll wager $1 on Buffalo Bills

Diana Russini says it was the Packers.

Dianna Russini and Ian Rapoport both said today that there’s a lot of momentum on banning the tush push.

I hope it gets banned bc **** the Eagles

I can't think of any legitimate reason to ban it. Crazy it's even a discussion

Throughout the history of football, it was always banned. It was always a penalty for an offensive player to force the ball carrier forward by ramming/pushing him. This rule was changed only recently, which allowed the tush push to become a thing. Maybe 8 years ago they changed the rule to allow it, something like that.

I can't think of any legitimate reason to unban in the first place. Crazy that they did that. But the rule change didn't work and needs to be changed back to how football has always been played.

From my understanding (Trying to find the exact rule), it's illegal for the defense to push players into other players (at the line), but it's not illegal for the offense to do such. Either it should be legal for the defense to do the same as the offense, or the offense shouldn't be allowed to do it. So if it's banned on defense, it should be banned on offense.

It was unbanned in 2005. It's been 20 years. And it's going to be banned again because 1 team in the league is great at it? That's like banning the forward pass after 2018 after seeing how good Mahomes was at it.

Exactly!

We should ban it.

I don't watch rugby. Its gay. I ain't gonna watch the NFL version of rugby either. I just won't. This isn't a sport it's a ****ing abomination.

Rugby is for bundle of stickss. I'll watch figure skating instead. Bit more masculine.