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Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:30 PM

Running Backs
 
I know our line is pretty bad but we need to talk about Hunt & Pacheco. Those guys YPC the last few months of the season were really bad. The running back room needs an overhaul.

Jerm 02-09-2025 11:31 PM

It needs a difference maker….

But does it really matter when you have a HC who basically sees the running game as a nuisance?

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17961707)
It needs a difference maker….

But does it really matter when you have a HC who basically sees the running game as a nuisance?

Hes used the run game alot more the past few years arguably helped carry us to a title and part of this season

BWillie 02-09-2025 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17961702)
I know our line is pretty bad but we need to talk about Hunt & Pacheco. Those guys YPC the last few months of the season were really bad. The running back room needs an overhaul.

Not really. There was no need to use a RB today since we were down all game.

I think I was more pleased with our RB attack more than ever, at least since we had rookie Kareem. Hunt was an absolute godsend in short yardage this year. Which is the only real purpose of a RB.

Why Not? 02-09-2025 11:34 PM

Needs an overhaul. KHunt back as short yardage guy is fine. Pacheco either has not fully recovered or was a 7th round pick playing way out in front of his skis for a few years. Need to figure that out and if it’s the latter, we need to get a true number one type

FloridaMan88 02-09-2025 11:35 PM

Longest run for the Chiefs this season… 34 yards.

Adding an Achane-type explosive RB is a must this offseason.

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17961719)
Not really. There was no need to use a RB today since we were down all game.

I think I was more pleased with our RB attack more than ever, at least since we had rookie Kareem. Hunt was an absolute godsend in short yardage this year. Which is the only real purpose of a RB.

There absolutely a need for a RB the Eagles were able to pin back and own the line because we refused to run. We refused to run because we don't have a RB worth a ****

DenverChief 02-09-2025 11:37 PM

We basically bottled up the best RB in the league. RB isn’t where the need is. It’s at OL. Gotta fix the OL.

-King- 02-09-2025 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17961707)
It needs a difference maker….

But does it really matter when you have a HC who basically sees the running game as a nuisance?

Yes if the running back can catch the ball. We don't have any of those other than Perine and we refused to use him, Kareem is too slow to do anything after catches anymore and Pacheco isn't a good pass catcher.

We need to add a dynamic RB to this offense badly.

irafreak 02-09-2025 11:38 PM

Well moving your future hall of fame guard to tackle will make your run game worse.

Jerm 02-09-2025 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17961732)
Yes if the running back can catch the ball. We don't have any of those other than Perine and we refused to use him, Kareem is too slow to do anything after catches anymore and Pacheco isn't a good pass catcher.

We need to add a dynamic RB to this offense badly.

Good point, I’d love to have a guy like that trust me lol….

BWillie 02-09-2025 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17961728)
There absolutely a need for a RB the Eagles were able to pin back and own the line because we refused to run. We refused to run because we don't have a RB worth a ****

We didn't run because we had to play Caliendo at Guard.

Why would we run if the avg pass is almost 2x as effective as running?

Philly didn't need to run in this game. When they tried we stuffed their shit in.

RBs barely matter. 2.3 ypc for Saquan.

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17961729)
We basically bottled up the best RB in the league. RB isn’t where the need is. It’s at OL. Gotta fix the OL.

How can you say that when neither back was explosive the last several months of the season? RB is absolutely a need the oline isn't going to make Kareem Hunt any younger or give Pacheco vision and neither of them can catch out of the back field

FloridaMan88 02-09-2025 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 17961733)
Well moving your future hall of fame guard to tackle will make your run game worse.

Even with Thuney at LG earlier in the season, the Chiefs couldn’t break explosive runs.

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17961741)
We didn't run because we had to play Caliendo at Guard.

Why would we run if the avg pass is almost 2x as effective as running?

Philly didn't need to run in this game. When they tried we stuffed their shit in.

RBs barely matter.

We ran the ball plenty this year and didn't do much at all

RBs absolute matter this is an absurd take if you think you can just drop back and throw 50 times a game

Gary Cooper 02-09-2025 11:43 PM

Andy likes finesse linemen but our backs aren't fast or shifty.

BWillie 02-09-2025 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17961750)
We ran the ball plenty this year and didn't do much at all

RBs absolute matter this is an absurd take if you think you can just drop back and throw 50 times a game

We've been doing it for 7 years. We throw more than almost anyone in the NFL. And for good reason. Mahomes avg pass is like 8 yards and at 67% completion rate. Why you would ever run on 1st or 2nd and 10 I have no idea. The defense would have to be giving you just an absurd look.

Now where I believe we sometimes go wrong is we don't play aggressive enough or play a sequence for 4 down territory. We run too much on 1st and 10 etc and not enough on say 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 3 with a plan to go for it on 4th if we don't make it. Even on 2nd and 7 you can reel off some runs if you have the stones to go for it on 4th down.

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17961773)
We've been doing it for 7 years. We throw more than almost anyone in the NFL. And for good reason. Mahomes avg pass is like 8 yards and at 67% completion rate. Why you would ever run on 1st or 2nd and 10 I have no idea. The defense would have to be giving you just an absurd look.

Now where I believe we sometimes go wrong is we don't play aggressive enough or play a sequence for 4 down territory. We run too much on 1st and 10 etc and not enough on say 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 3 with a plan to go for it on 4th if we don't make it.

No we haven't. The last 2 super bowls we won we ran the ball

BWillie 02-09-2025 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17961776)
No we haven't. The last 2 super bowls we won we ran the ball

Guess we should pay Pacheco Patrick Mahomes money.

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17961781)
Guess we should pay Pacheco Patrick Mahomes money.

Do you know what overhaul means reerun

el borracho 02-09-2025 11:51 PM

Hmm. I actually think this game illustrates a need to build both the offensive and defensive lines.

The Eagles ruined the Chiefs whole offense because their front four are so good. Six sacks with zero blitzes. While the Chiefs defense did take away the run, they did not really pressure Hurts.

We obviously need a left tackle but if that is out of reach I think a case can be made for the best defensive lineman available in the draft. Think I would rather have the best defensive tackle over the fifth best offensive tackle.

And it would be nice if we got something out of FAU. Veach has done a great job but oddly some of his worst draft mistakes come in the first two rounds.

All this to say that running back is pretty far down my list.

Palangi 02-09-2025 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17961741)
We didn't run because we had to play Caliendo at Guard.

Why would we run if the avg pass is almost 2x as effective as running?

Philly didn't need to run in this game. When they tried we stuffed their shit in.

RBs barely matter. 2.3 ypc for Saquan.

Yes but the threat of Barkley opens up the pass game. Especially play action

irafreak 02-09-2025 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17961749)
Even with Thuney at LG earlier in the season, the Chiefs couldn’t break explosive runs.

My comment was more about OP stating the run game had gotten worse over the last couple months of the season.

Titty Meat 02-09-2025 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 17961790)
Hmm. I actually think this game illustrates a need to build both the offensive and defensive lines.

The Eagles ruined the Chiefs whole offense because their front four are so good. Six sacks with zero blitzes. While the Chiefs defense did take away the run, they did not really pressure Hurts.

We obviously need a left tackle but if that is out of reach I think a case can be made for the best defensive lineman available in the draft. Think I would rather have the best defensive tackle over the fifth best offensive tackle.

And it would be nice if we got something out of FAU. Veach has done a great job but oddly some of his worst draft mistakes come in the first two rounds.

All this to say that running back is pretty far down my list.

Your leading rusher in the playoffs was Mahomes. Your list sucks

Palangi 02-09-2025 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 17961790)
Hmm. I actually think this game illustrates a need to build both the offensive and defensive lines.

The Eagles ruined the Chiefs whole offense because their front four are so good. Six sacks with zero blitzes. While the Chiefs defense did take away the run, they did not really pressure Hurts.

We obviously need a left tackle but if that is out of reach I think a case can be made for the best defensive lineman available in the draft. Think I would rather have the best defensive tackle over the fifth best offensive tackle.

And it would be nice if we got something out of FAU. Veach has done a great job but oddly some of his worst draft mistakes come in the first two rounds.

All this to say that running back is pretty far down my list.

I agree with this. We need to be able to get more pressure out of our front foot with out blitzing. Karlaftis and Jones are our only two consistent at this.

My hope of Omenihu OS back next year after being further removed from his knee injury. I really hope FAU and Thompson develop into good rotation pieces this year.
I’d also like to see Lovett and Ika take over as the run DTs because both can still get some pressure. Then draft a 3 tech to start developing behind Chris Jones. Savion Jones would be a good option with our second or third pick.

BWillie 02-10-2025 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 17961812)
I agree with this. We need to be able to get more pressure out of our front foot with out blitzing. Karlaftis and Jones are our only two consistent at this.

My hope of Omenihu OS back next year after being further removed from his knee injury. I really hope FAU and Thompson develop into good rotation pieces this year.
I’d also like to see Lovett and Ika take over as the run DTs because both can still get some pressure. Then draft a 3 tech to start developing behind Chris Jones. Savion Jones would be a good option with our second or third pick.

We've been able to get a good pass rush since Omenihu was back. I really think the Eagles Oline is just super, super elite.


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