Do you still believe is Mahomes and our coaching staff?
 

I for one do. We have seen them rise up and shut the critics up enough to not lose faith. It was ugly and surprising for sure but the SB magnifies everything for some reason. Mahomes for sure is no quitter and neither is Veach and Andy. We will recover and be right back in the AFCCG for another shot.

Yes. It doesn't require any further explanation.

I have 1000% faith in Mahomes, and 0% faith in Nagy who has turned the #1ranked offense for 5 years straight into the 22nd ranked offense. Neutered.

No, 7 straight AFC championship game appearances has me ****ing pissed off!!!!!!!!

Absolutely

But I do think Andy Heck needs to go

Did you type the thread title with your clitoris?

Mahomes obviously… duhhh.

Some of the staff though… i.e. Joel Gheymaier… need to go.

Seems to be a bit of stagnation in the coaching ranks.

no

5 Superbowls in 6 years is garbage

it should have been 6 out of 6 with all Superbowls being wins

Only a scrub QB and franchise would win 3 Superbowls out of the last 5

I don't think they've given us any reason to not believe in them per se.

I don't believe Mahomes is the same QB he was 3 years ago though. I do believe he can get back to being that guy but he needs some consistency at LT and he has to learn to trust again.

This place never fails to bother me amaze me and entertain me.

I love pussy tbh

Do I trust Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid?

Yes I do.

Am I concerned that the offensive coaching staff is being filled out with guys who are Veach and Nagy’s buddies and the offense is regressing?

Yes I am.

Mahomes I have 100% faith in. Obviously Andy, Spags, Merritt, Cullen I have faith in (despite Andy’s refusal to adjust in the first half of the SB). Some of the others I don’t have as much and some I have none. Bleymeyer, Heck, Nagy, I’m questioning Embree as Rice and Worthy both seemed to develop as their rookie campaigns played out (his inability to make chicken salad out of chicken shit like MVS, Toney, Skyy seems to be a talent issue more than coaching).

Maybe we can get the Commanders to take Super Bowl winning offensive coordinator Matt Nagy off our hands in exchange for Kliff Kingsbury.

I get it, thr thread is crap but there alhas been a lot of negative crap here lately. Just seeing where we are.

Todd Haley is back in the league and available.

Maybe any interest in Chan Gailey?

100% faith in Mahomes.

Love Andy Reid but now unsure about the overall offensive coaching staff.

Spags still great but Nagy and the others that came in after Bienemy left have turned Mahomes into a game manager.

Oh man that would be a great breath of fresh air for Mahomes, it would really help put him back into that college gunslinger mode IMO

But the hard sad fact is I see absolutely no reason to believe Reid will change a single damn thing with our coaches, he's notoriously reluctant to replace anyone... its maybe his worst fault

lol

It irritates me that Nagy and Bleymaier have connections to Veach from college.

You have the greatest quarterback talent in history, and instead of going out and getting him the best staff money can buy, you hire some of your buddies for those jobs?

**** off with that Brett.

He’s done a very good job most of his tenure as GM, but that bothers me.

I don't think Nagy is terrible. He's mediocre. But the issue is Reid is an all-time genius so when you delegate more to someone who is mediocre, the results will be bad.

If we don’t have faith in our leadership, then no fan base should have it in theirs.

They got work to do, but cmon guys. Do I even have to explain?

There are so many teams/fans dreaming of making the Super Bowl still let alone winning it during this current era.

Carroll 73, Reid 66, Harbaugh 61, Starfish face also 61. The get off my lawns attitudes will keep the division sharp

Playoffs, are you kidding me??

Overall you're absolutely correct

But isn't Heck starting to get on your nerves, and wouldn't Reid benefit from having someone from outside the usual bubble in his ear offense-wise?

Minor tweaks like that might go a long way, the offense is looking stale compared to the early standards, to paraphrase the old saying... if you're not evolving, you're falling behind

Maybe Andy needs to bring in an outside offensive voice, if he would abide

Andy hires the assistant coaches. There's a clear separation of powers since Pioli was let go. If you're not happy with assistant coaches, you're by definition not happy with Andy because that's his job.

Of course. But it's 100% up to Andy to address it.

Andy and Veach decided to roll with Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney and MVS to start 2023 as their top 3 WR’s.

Andy and Veach also decided to roll with a completely unprepared rookie LT who was unplayable and ended up being a disaster this year.

Andy and Veach let McKinnon walk and replaced him with Pacheco and an old and washed Samaje Perine.

Blaming these personnel moves on anybody but the top leaders is insanity. They are not infallible

Then it probably won't be addressed, Andy has a big heart that makes him loyal to a fault

Right.

The people that want to shit can the water boy every time this team loses don't get it.

This is Andy's team, for better or worse.

You want to stop hiring guys like Nagy? Then you have to be willing to admit that the only way that might be possible is to get rid of Reid.

Throwing the baby away with the bathwater.

This can’t be right. Mahomes Magic thinks Nagy has been doing most of the gameplan when it’s bad bc Andy delegates to him.

As if Andy doesn’t like having control or making the game plans ROFL

Well no one wants to throw Reid out, at least I hope not

But his constant reluctance to change is a detriment

Yes except for Nagy

You can't have it both ways. Andy hired Nagy. You either trust Andy or you don't.

I don’t blame this on Nagy. I still believe this offense runs through Reid. Through EBs ups and downs, and nagys. We can’t just credit Reid when things go well and assume he gave up control when things go bad. That’s reassuring because he, not Nagy, will lead our offense back to dominance.

I think our assistants are generally fine but we have an issue with stagnation. Turnover is healthy because it brings new ideas in the room. And gives new talent a chance to shine, ideally above the guys to have in place. And our guys just don’t get poached anymore. It’s probably the one area where veach should override Reid. I don’t think we necessarily need a shake up but we need coaches with new ideas. We may rag on EB but I do feel like that military style discipline has been somewhat missing. We may have bagged on Childress’ spread coordinator role but it feels like our innovation is now a few years old and feels a bit stale. What happened to bringing guys like Chris ault in to bring in new ideas on spread offense? We brought in tamba hali to teach our DL new techniques, why not do the same for our OL? I love Mahomes’ offseason throw sessions but maybe it’s time to also get him back into the lab and focus on fundamentals.

The Super Bowl debacle is a good motivation to move from band-aid improvements to making some more radical changes and embracing creativity and trying new things

I trust him mostly but cronyism is Andy’s biggest weakness.

Yes, to be a contender and make a deep playoff run.

But I'm concerned about the lack of game planning in the first half of these Super Bowls. Five times doesn't make a coincidence. Andy and Mahomes have looked unprepared until halftime of each Super Bowl. Something needs to change to avoid either getting blown out or having to make a second half comeback against the best opposition from the NFC.

Nah man we can all recognize his brilliance while also seeing the flaws, no HC is perfect

Didn’t McKinnon retire??

23-2 LMAO

Everything on the offensive side of the ball should be under heavy evaluation this offseason.

Why is the offense regressing?

Why is the greatest QB talent ever regressing?

If it’s a personnel issue, then where and why did we mess up to allow the personnel to get to the point where the offense is unable to function?

Is the staff maximizing our talent to the best of their abilities?

Is our scheme stale? Do we need to innovate and change the way we look at things?

These are all questions that need to be asked and deeply explored this offseason.

I believe in Joe Hendry

I’m sure to Andy it would be hard to justify letting coaches go given the fave that we’ve just played in 3 straight SBs. Andy thinks in X’s and O’s. And I bet he believes we’re only a few pieces away from getting back to more SBs. But it would likely take an abomination of a season for him to justify firing coaches after our current run of success.

But, he DID what he needed to do with Sutton, and bringing in Spags.

I think Andy has always been great at thinking outside the box...He is not gonna limit himself to keeping his beloved coaches if ...He is not that set in his ways...He can still change and evolve with the best of em...He has prob hired and fired a hundred different coaches

I’m not suggesting Mahomes or Reid were ever taking it easy entering these Super Bowls, but Brady did an interview for Cowherd right before the game last week, and he talked about how after losing the two SBs to the Giants, he decided if/when he got back, he would go 24/7 pedal to the metal prepping for those games so there was absolutely no way he could feel like he didn’t do all he could.

I gotta believe Mahomes is at that point now after last week. Where he’s going to be obsessive about the prep and want to make sure he knows exactly what defenses are going to do, and go over worst case scenarios ahead of time so adjustments are in place. In other words, he’s going to have to protect against Andy’s weaknesses.

Recognizing flaws and wanting individual coaches fired are two different things.

Not when the head coach is involved...its the same bag

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I’d agree. I think Reid should reconsider his routine between the conference championship and Super Bowl. Installing the game plan in the first week and letting it sit idle in media circus week doesn’t work. I remember the Patriots talking about how they’d be working on situational football, opponent tendencies, and some self scouting in hotel conference rooms up until the last minute. That’s the drive needed to knock off a super team like the 400 million dollar Eagles roster.

I think it's as simple as a couple of things.

1)The league is designed to make what KC accomplished (and ALMOST accomplished) nearly impossible.
2) The guys just flat ran out of gas. Nobody had ever been able to do it before, and they just emptied the tank on Buffalo.

Picking at the end of every round, plus paying some expensive stars, plus playing more high emotion games than anyone else for multiple years just finally wore them out. Physically and emotionally.

We have some glaring holes to fill, and Veach has always been aggressive when that's the case.

I have total faith they'll get KC right back in it next year.

Todd Pinkston has got to go!!!!!

I’ve lost faith….

I do also, but they need to ditch the idea of turning Patrick Mahomes into Alex Smith.

Patrick is also turning himself into Alex. He tried many times to hit some deep shots this season. He just couldn’t connect on them for one reason or another. Part of the reason the deep passing game took a shit was Pat wasn’t hitting those throws. Part was also that most of our weapons that were available to us this season were lacking in separation ability.

Tyreek leaving was HUGE for the deep passing game. Not only could he separate from pretty much any defender, but his ball tracking was elite. Worthy’s got better as the season and playoffs wore on. But Reek was fast enough to get under a lot of those balls, and honestly think he hid some of Pats warts with the deep ball.

True...Its had an effect on him.

Ironically that deep TD to worthy in the Super Bowl might have been his best thrown deep ball all year. Right on the money and a beautiful catch.

Because we had no left tackle, Rice went on IR early and Pacheco is now a broke dick and his replacement averaged 3.6 YPC.

This isn't rocket surgery. The Chiefs just need better players.

They don't win the super bowl every year so no

Super Bowl or bust.
there's no way we dont win the AFC west again next year...
The tourney is a totally different test of intestinal fortitude

Yes i think you're small minded if you don't.

Kurt Warner has a brutal breakdown of KC’s offense in the SB. He’s dumbfounded by the game plan and what was schemed up. We made Philly’s life very easy.

Matt Lane said the same things on KCSN lab. Scathing.

No, bring back Gunther or Romeo Crenel. See if Greg Robinson is available so we can once again have a lockdown defense.

See if Carl is available so we can trade for Aaron Rogers.

Any time your coaching staff is de-pantsed by a ****head like Sirianni, it's time to re-evaluate everything you're doing.

9 times out of 10 Reid’s gameplan is masterful. So he doesn’t need to change how he preps. And we have to remember that by and large we still have the best coach in the game.

For whatever reason we don’t seem to have an escape hatch for that 1 time out of 10. We look like a deer in headlights. And that’s fine to be caught off guard but the lack of adjustments is puzzling. Not much you can do about Tampa. But Cincinnati and Philly seemed like we could have mitigated. Having bad protection is one thing, but not even entertaining a line change when he hit rock bottom and the flawed route concepts… we had a long halftime and it didn’t look like we changed a thing.

Uhhh, it would be tough to bring Gunther back at this point. I prefer Spags.

Plan was awful. You know it was because we did nothing well at all

They're saying that because they're trying to game the youtube algorithms to get their content filtered towards the top...People HATE the Chiefs so you SLAM Andy Reid with SCATHING boilerplate analysis to get forced ranked higher...Truth is there's more context to the gameplan than bonehead youtuber analysis.

Sirianni wasn't calling anything except timeouts and fourth down calls. He's a glorified clip board holder and even in the superbowl he got into a back and forth with AJ Brown that had to be separated. He's a useless fool. The gamplan was specific to Kelen Moore and Fangio and I didn't think either did a particularly outstanding job. The game was lost because you can't win National Football League Superbowls without a left tackle. Thuney got de-pantsed and it forced the offense to change their timing which affected how they attacked the Fangio offense.

Exactly, it was not rocket science. It wasn't just Thuney, Caliendo is backup quality at best, he had no business starting in the Super Bowl. The whole left side of the OL was compromised. The Eagles knew it and attacked it. It was their strength against our greatest weakness. Not only do they have a good outside rush, they've got one on the inside also, so they were able to attack both spots a d close off the running lanes to contain Mahomes' escapability, and the Chiefs could not compensate like they have been able to do against other teams that had one element, but not the both. It's exactly why shit teams like Denver, Carolina and especially the Raiders gave the Chiefs problems. Pretty simple.

Yeah, probably not. Matt Lane is always critical so this isn’t anything new. I guess Kurt Warner is also a bonehead YouTuber?

If you want to dial up the video and critique what was said then go ahead.

It's 9am on Monday so short answer:

Yes.

Perspective is needed here. How many Super Bowls have we just witnessed?

The fact that Thuney was playing LT at all is already a failure of the front office and the coaching staff. Making few to no adjustments to the awful gameplan is another.

Reid is usually great, but when he fails he really shits the bed.

We didn't.

3 SB wins in 6 years, 2 SB losses, 1 AFC champ game loss.

"Failures".

Interesting dynamic.

The Eagles didn't do anything we shouldn't have anticipated. They ran a Cover 4 and didn't blitz. There weren't many different looks provided by them. Also, Caliendo and Thuney struggling wasn't outside the realm of possibility.

It's amazing Reid was this unprepared to make adjustments. Almost like he just gave up.

And this isn't the first SB we've looked lost at the beginning offensively. It's happened in each game until the second half.

Every loss is a failure, for any team.