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Red Dawg 03-06-2025 11:03 AM

Should Veach be in all in year-to-year mode with Mahomes yet?
 
The next 5 or 6 years will be everything for our golden age. In past years he has mentioned team success for the long term, but we are now 7 years in. Once he hits 36ish the running around making miracles happen will be slowing down for sure. Should we not be selling out some future a little bit to maximize the next 5?

tredadda 03-06-2025 11:05 AM

No. Playing for today while planning for the future has worked out well and there is no reason to change that.

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-06-2025 11:05 AM

Let him cook

Gary Cooper 03-06-2025 11:10 AM

No, because you can't realistically go "All In" every year. It's not like a cash game in poker where you can re-buy. You'll eventually run out of players and picks to move.

They can be a contender every year with Mahomes, provided the rest of the players aren't total JAGs. In 2024 and 2020, they had arguably their most talented teams, but didn't win the SB. They won in 2022 after losing Tyreek Hill.

Dunerdr 03-06-2025 11:11 AM

No he’s not even 30 yet. It’s reasonable to think he’ll play until at least 35. You can’t go all in for 6 years that’s absurd.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-06-2025 11:13 AM

Rodgers is as similar to his playing style as anyone and was winning MVPs at 37 and 38 years old. No they should not be pushing all chips in.

And I trust Mahomes to keep himself in as good or better shape than Aaron as he ages.

Jewish Rabbi 03-06-2025 11:22 AM

I hope DaFace is in day to day mode about your thread starting abilities

smithandrew051 03-06-2025 11:37 AM

Draft well and everything will be okay

BIG_DADDY 03-06-2025 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17989714)
I hope DaFace is in day to day mode about your thread starting abilities

LMAO Certainly a candidate for worst thread of the year award.

Rainbarrel 03-06-2025 11:45 AM

Reverse mortgage insurance brochures before naptime

BWillie 03-06-2025 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17989684)
The next 5 or 6 years will be everything for our golden age. In past years he has mentioned team success for the long term, but we are now 7 years in. Once he hits 36ish the running around making miracles happen will be slowing down for sure. Should we not be selling out some future a little bit to maximize the next 5?

In my opinion, yes.

I'm really not trying to upset you guys because I know this will really really piss people off but I do not think Mahomes will age as gracefully as some QBs we have seen and I'm not even counting the extreme outlier in Brady.

The next five years are probably all we have left for Mahomes to be effective. He is a guy that uses his quick twitch to get out of harms way instead of great pocket presence. With his body type he holds some pudge a little bit so it's reasonable to expect he won't be at his best or close to it still when he's 35+.

Thats why we should still be going for it. Regardless of if we have Kelce or Chris Jones.

BWillie 03-06-2025 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17989697)
Rodgers is as similar to his playing style as anyone and was winning MVPs at 37 and 38 years old. No they should not be pushing all chips in.

And I trust Mahomes to keep himself in as good or better shape than Aaron as he ages.

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ShortRoundChief 03-06-2025 12:01 PM

I’m not sure how “going all in” every year is feasible. You can’t just not think about the future. It’s the quickest way to get us to pre Andy Reid levels of success.

TEX 03-06-2025 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17989756)
In my opinion, yes.

I'm really not trying to upset you guys because I know this will really really piss people off but I do not think Mahomes will age as gracefully as some QBs we have seen and I'm not even counting the extreme outlier in Brady.

The next five years are probably all we have left for Mahomes to be effective. He is a guy that uses his quick twitch to get out of harms way instead of great pocket presence. With his body type he holds some pudge a little bit so it's reasonable to expect he won't be at his best or close to it still when he's 35+.

Thats why we should still be going for it. Regardless of if we have Kelce or Chris Jones.

I agree with the we should go all in part, somply b/c there are no gusrantees in life...But IMO, Mahomes has more time than you're giving him. IMO, he'll still have his arm and escape ability, like Brett Favre did, later in his career.

wazu 03-06-2025 12:03 PM

Just draft well. Over and over again. There's never going to be some huge slack in the line to pay a bunch of free agents, and we are never going to flush/start over as long as Mahomes is still in his prime. Draft well and be a shrewd manager of the cap. And for crying out loud find some way, ANY way to get us a left tackle.

Red Dawg 03-06-2025 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17989714)
I hope DaFace is in day to day mode about your thread starting abilities

Do you read CP thread's? That statement is ridiculous.

Red Dawg 03-06-2025 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17989714)
I hope DaFace is in day to day mode about your thread starting abilities

Leave any time you like douche.

Bearcat 03-06-2025 12:22 PM

I know in Madden you could trade 1st round picks like 10+ years in advance...**** it, 2038 and 2042 first round picks for the LT of our dreams, LFG.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-06-2025 12:26 PM

If you draft well, it won't matter. The rest takes care of itself.

We need Veach and crew to have more drafts like 2022 and less like the last two. Scouting department and front office needs to be better to sustain long term success.

They do their part and we'll be competing for Super Bowls every year regardless.

LoneWolf 03-06-2025 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17989809)
If you draft well, it won't matter. The rest takes care of itself.

We need Veach and crew to have more drafts like 2022 and less like the last two. Scouting department and front office needs to be better to sustain long term success.

They do their part and we'll be competing for Super Bowls every year regardless.

It's a little early to call the 2023 and 2024 drafts lackluster.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-06-2025 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17989837)
It's a little early to call the 2023 and 2024 drafts lackluster.

Fair on 2024.

On 2023, I don't see a single long term starter outside of Rice. I'm closing the book on that one.

MahomesMagic 03-06-2025 01:51 PM

The data says that very few QB's win SB's past age 31.


Brady has screwed with everyone's head about what the average actually is.


That said, Mahomes physically resembles a mixture of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and both of those players had great years well into their late 30's.

kccrow 03-06-2025 02:33 PM

The only thing I'm all-in about is getting Mahomes two good OTs. The rest is relative.

OnTheWarpath15 03-06-2025 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17989917)
Fair on 2024.

On 2023, I don't see a single long term starter outside of Rice. I'm closing the book on that one.

Wanya is very likely your starting RT in 2026.

Connor started 9 games this year and played pretty well and is likely moving back to safety with Reid leaving.

They can't all be 2022.

RunKC 03-06-2025 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17989917)
Fair on 2024.

On 2023, I don't see a single long term starter outside of Rice. I'm closing the book on that one.

Replace Justin Reid with Chamarri Conner. They made a big mistake putting him in the slot with his back turned to the QB when he proved to the coaches that he is really good in Reid’s role with everything in front of him.

chiefzilla1501 03-06-2025 03:31 PM

Im actually cool with a soft reset this year. Let’s stockpile a bunch of draft picks, make some hard trades more like thuney (and also lose a few guys). We aren’t like other teams where these transitions are hard. We won a damn Super Bowl a few years ago with this formula. I am ok with falling a little short this year if it allows us to get more depth with young players

The one exception is that we need to get Mahomes right. Absolute top priority. I think we have mostly the right pieces minus a left tackle.

Otter 03-06-2025 03:36 PM

I worked with a degenerate gambler who would never be happy until he lost everything and had to start from square one again.

Chief Pagan 03-06-2025 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17989756)
In my opinion, yes.

I'm really not trying to upset you guys because I know this will really really piss people off but I do not think Mahomes will age as gracefully as some QBs we have seen and I'm not even counting the extreme outlier in Brady.

The next five years are probably all we have left for Mahomes to be effective. He is a guy that uses his quick twitch to get out of harms way instead of great pocket presence. With his body type he holds some pudge a little bit so it's reasonable to expect he won't be at his best or close to it still when he's 35+.

Thats why we should still be going for it. Regardless of if we have Kelce or Chris Jones.

Mahomes will have to evolve his game if he wants to stay elite in his 30's.

I presume he is competitive enough, skilled enough, and savvy enough to do that. Time will tell, but I'm not going to all-in mode yet if I was GM.

Boxer_Chief 03-06-2025 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17990172)
Im actually cool with a soft reset this year. Let’s stockpile a bunch of draft picks, make some hard trades more like thuney (and also lose a few guys). We aren’t like other teams where these transitions are hard. We won a damn Super Bowl a few years ago with this formula. I am ok with falling a little short this year if it allows us to get more depth with young players

The one exception is that we need to get Mahomes right. Absolute top priority. I think we have mostly the right pieces minus a left tackle.

It’s stupid to waste an incredibly small window by punting a year. Just a ridiculous notion. Keep Mahomes happy that’s the fastest way to lose your hof qb.

Jewish Rabbi 03-06-2025 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17989795)
Do you read CP thread's? That statement is ridiculous.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17989798)
Leave any time you like douche.

You're living up to your nickname of "Rude Bitch"

Titty Meat 03-06-2025 09:57 PM

No why change the formula that's set NFL records?

Fishels 03-06-2025 10:00 PM

Hopefully Mahomes will be able to change his play style to more of a pocket passer by the time he’s in his late 30’s. I hope he decides to push it as hard as Brady did and we see a playoff Mahomes in his 40’s.

But I understand if he doesn’t want to


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