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2025 Wide Receivers
Let’s not draft morons this time.
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Who do you have that is super talented, but yet not a psychopath or an absolute dumb****? Any Larry Fitgerald or Calvin Johnson models available we could get our hands on, hopefully?
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I've been on the Burden bandwagon from the jump, hopefully that's not a pipe dream. With the news today, we might grab Theo Wease later and just take both Mizzou wideouts, and hopefully Royals, too. We also might be forced now to overpay for Hollywood or a Tyler Lockett type, especially if Rashee is hit with a suspension to start the season.
Good lord. |
Never mind. We good.
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LOL.
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Can we get Hopkins to come back on an affordable deal?
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I'll take another vet, but he looked like he had lost two and a half steps by the end of the season. If we're going to throw money at another vet, at this point I'd be more interested in Lockett. |
As much as Id like a WR like Burden in the first, They would have to take Oline or Dline.
If a top RB is there or a TE, Id be OK with that too. Could go CB as well, I suppose. If there is a LT they like, thats the pick. Otherwise D line is my prediction. |
Let’s be real, after spending a 1st on Worthy last year and 2nd on Rice the year before, they’re not taking a WR at 31.
Here’s an entirely realistic scenario, though: Egbuka or Burden drop to 31. You KNOW the Patriots are calling as this is their best chance to land an elite young WR for Maye at a fair cost controlled price. They offer up #38 (7 picks later) and their 3rd (#77) to move up. Do you take that if you’re KC if there’s not someone at 31 you’re absolutely in love with? Just a lot of guys you like, some of which are likely gonna still be available at #38. |
I’ve seen burden drop into the top of the third in several mocks now. I think round 2 could be a sweet spot but I’m absolutely not ruling out another wr at 31. I think there’s a better chance of a difference making wr there than LT. I can see the argument for DT but there will be plenty there after 32 as well. I think there’s only thing that would surprise me at 31 is RB. But if Hampton was there I’d run that card in myself.
We have one glaring hole and the draft doesn’t appear to have an immediate fix. Just draft good player. Prioritize weapons for Mahomes. |
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We've got holes to fill and need young, cheap talent. That would give us, what, five picks in the top 100? In a heartbeat. |
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Interesting advanced stats lists from Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/c...ardscontested/
Dont’e Thornton Jr is of particular interest in the thread: 6-5, 205, 4.3 speed, 25.4 ypa, x6 50+ yard plays (#1 in the nation), he excels at deep targets almost exclusively… would be an interesting weapon in KC. Edit: I think he might be a better get for us than Savion Williams, who’s a contested catch guy and HB with 11%+ drop rate, will go in the middle rounds whereas Thornton will go late. |
With the FA moves, I think a WR is 100 percent still on the board at 31 if one of Egbuka or Burden is there.
DL makes sense, but with the additions of Jaylon Moore and Kristian Fulton, I think you have enough pretty much everywhere that there is NOT a position you have to lock in on. And that's where you want to be. In all likelihood, it seems like the best player available is most likely to be a defensive lineman. But if you get a chance to add either of those guys as weapons for this offense, I think you do it. It future-proofs you at WR and keeps your room extremely cheap heading into 2026 (3 rookie deals, one eligible for an extension). Which gives you tremendous flexibility to stack the roster elsewhere. Everyone talks about the benefits of cheap rookie deals at QB, but WR is entering the territory where having an inexpensive but highly productive room is a huge roster advantage, too. |
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It would be great to have some flexibility when it’s time to pay Rice. |
I think literally anything but QB is a possibility at #31.
Including moving down into the second for extra picks. We're well set up to just go straight BPA, no need to stress about anything in particular. |
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Luckily, the major holes have been filled. Whichever steal is there, do it Burt. |
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It’s hard to imagine a guard being the BPA without a comparable prospect at a more important position also being available. To my knowledge, there isn’t a Quenton Nelson in this draft. |
Everything you said is 100% right but I still want Josh Simmons if he’s within 5-10 spots of where we pick. I want the oline to be super competitive and a position of strength. I’d love to see Mahomes with an offensive line that he really trusts. I think Mahomes would be lights out with our current weapons with and a top oline.
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If Golden, Egbuka, or Burden were available at our pick I’d prefer Golden or Burden’s upside over Egbuka who I view as an extremely solid WR. |
I really don't see Veach taking a WR in the 1st or 2nd round this year. Maybe 3rd or 4th round. Someone will be around in that range like Bond, Royals, Felton, Williams, Lane, etc. They really need a good developmental slot.
I think it's an absolute pipe dream to think Egbuka or Golden will be anywhere near our pick. Hell, I really don't think Burden will be either. The bottom drops out after those guys to a bunch of 3rd round types so I think they'll get snapped up pretty quickly. |
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With JuJu back in the fold on a one year deal, does that change the focus on what they're thinking regarding WR in the draft? And by that, does it indicate DE/DL will be the first pick (barring unforeseen drops by players that they didn't think would drop)?
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It starts to cost some real capital to get out in front of them, especially given you have two division rivals at 20 and 22 and a team that doesn't ever really trade down in PIT at 21. I guess, hope GB doesn't take who you want and then move to Minnesota's pick at 24. They'll move off that easily. |
I’ve tried posting this 3 times… Why isn’t Dont’e Thorton Jr getting similar draft projections to Savion Williams?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/c...omething_more/ https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...nton-WR-Oregon https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...illiams-WR-TCU One is a legit deep threat WR with the #1 average yards per reception and top 3 contested catch rate at 75%, the other has such a bad drop rate at 11.3% that they needed to hand the ball off to him and play him in the wild cat. Genuine question, I don’t watch college football. |
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My guilty pleasure at WR in this draft is Jaylin Noel from Iowa State. Really want him at 63 or 66. If we don't go WR that early, I'd say my guys on day 3 are Tai Felton from Maryland (though he could go day 2) and Elijhah Badger from Florida in the 4th. |
Dont'e Thornton Jr reminds me of Chris Conley
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Imo, JuJu doesn't move the needle at all. He caught just 18 balls for 231 yds in 14 games last season. At best, he's a weak WR4 or a WR5. he's regressed to being Skyy in his 2nd year. he can block and that's about it. |
Was just listening to Brett Kollman's offensive gems, he has Tre Harris and Jayden Higgins way higher than most. They are both the X body type, I wonder if either would fall conveniently to a Chiefs pick back of 2nd/early 3rd.
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I still hope we take one of Burden or Egbuka if they fall, but I feel it's more and more likely we're going defensive line at 31. |
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I ran several quick mocks to see whether they might drop to where we're picking at 63/66. Harris never made it that far, but Higgins was available about 2/3 of the time. All it takes to miss out on them though is for a couple teams that need WRs to have draft boards with them higher up. |
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I mean, at this point it’s moot; we signed him. So I hope he’s everything you stated, because we need someone to step up a little. Jus not going to expect much from him. |
JuJu’s good for a solid first down catch when we need one.
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I think the Egbuka and Burden hopes are mostly pipe dreams. Let’s be honest - plenty of Chiefs fans are Mizzou fans so are biased towards Burden. Nothing wrong with that - I wanted the Chiefs to draft Keon Coleman last year, and boy was I wrong. But it seems unlikely the Chiefs will burn a 2nd, a 1st and a 1st in consecutive years on wideouts. A 2nd round WR is the earliest I’d see a WR being drafted, even if Egbuka, Burden or someone else is available at 31.
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It sucks not knowing Rice's status for the season, both health wise and regarding a possible suspension. Throw that on top of the fact Hollywood hasn't played a full season since '21, and it's easy to feel like if either Burden or Egbuka are there, one of them will be the pick. Fortunately, there are good candidates down draft to consider (Jalen Royals) if we go another direction, but man do I like the thought of our top four eventually being Rice, Worthy, Hollywood, and Burden/Egbuka. |
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This is drafting for need, not BPA. If Egbuka or Burden are available at 31, it’s highly likely they are the best players available at the most valuable positions, possibly the last guys with true 1sr round grades on the Chiefs board. I would take either over Simmons or Conerly or any of the DTs/DL likely to be left (assuming Nolen and Hampton are gone in this scenario). |
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1000%. We didn't do that last season. Instead, we had JWat out there for 90% of our offensive snaps for no reason. But I'm hoping that that changes in 2025. |
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No reason? |
This might be why Burden is falling
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bob McGinn is back and provides one negative on Luther Burden <a href="https://t.co/fQwtM0fl1M">pic.twitter.com/fQwtM0fl1M</a></p>— Billy M (@BillyM_91) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1904147395790709083?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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JWat: 17 Gs, 32 catches, 289yds, 2 TDs 13 1stDns, 686 snaps. The only WR with more snaps was Worthy. he had nearly twice as many snaps as DHop for far less production. 260+ more snaps than JJSS. Just compare those numbers vs. any Wr 1 or WR2 in the league. He was basically invisible. He's a nice guy. He brings his lunch pail and does whatever is asked of him. Except be efficient and/or productive. And you literally wrote Quote:
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Watson’s snap count was only that high because, other than Worthy, he was the only WR on the roster who was healthy all season. Rice played 3 games. Hopkins was acquired midseason and then used at a lower level. Brown played 3 games in December. Smith-Schuster was with the team all year but missed time to injury, too, and plays a different role in the offense than Watson, to boot. |
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Also Hollywood is always hurt. Great for the price but he’s not played a full season since he was on the Ravens in 2021. WR has to be one of the first 3 picks IMO |
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Watson played so much because Rice went down in week 4, after Brown went down in the first preseason game and Worthy was a rookie. DHop showed up mid-season and had a couple of decent games and then looked old and tired. Juju has one functional knee. so Watson is always available, and nobody else was, and THAT is why he played so much, and that's a very DEFINITE reason that makes perfect sense. |
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Hey, whatever. Season's over. Andy did what he did, for whatever reasons. We'll never really know. Just figured that now we could at least finally be honest about it. Guess not. But if we were talking about the Raiders putting Jwat out there as much or more than Davante Adams or Jakobi Myers we'd all be laughing our collective asses off at just how epically stupid the Raiders were. Bottom line, I was agreeing with you. Put the best players on the field as much as possible. Players over plays. |
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Are you trying to be obtuse? “Be honest”? The honest truth is his snap count was as high as it was because two guys on the depth chart in front of Watson at the start of the season played a combined six of 34 possible games, Hopkins was acquired midseason and still was even with him on snaps, and Smith-Schuster missed a quarter of the season to injury. When WR 1 and 2 go down before the season even begins, of course WR4’s snaps elevate. |
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Fine. Let’s just agree to disagree then. Wasn’t looking for an argument on this topic anyway. |
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If the Chiefs draft them, we want them to succeed of course and the Mizzou fandom will put a little more weight behind that. But when it comes to pre-draft reviews of Mizzou players, nobody is harder on those guys than Mizzou fans. We have a tendency to skewer our own guys. |
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It’s hard to argue when the facts aren’t on your side. |
Bob McGinn reports from scouts is always the best.
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lol, okay. Well, you have your facts and I have mine. At the end of the day, there’s no metric that says JWat was a a significantly better WR than either JuJu or DHop, and yet he somehow still took twice as many snaps than either of those two. |
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Watson - 36 Snaps a game Juju - 30 Snaps a game DHop - 32 Snaps a game |
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Yes, it is a fact that Justin Watson played more snaps than either Hopkins or Smith-Schuster. But that isn't because the team thought he was better overall or was being stupid. It's because: Hopkins was acquired midseason. He played 23 snaps the week he was acquired, so throw out that outlier. He then paced for what would have been 629 snaps over the full season, despite being a mid-year add. Smith-Schuster was a depth add who was behind the Chiefs' best WR in the pecking order to start the season, then got hurt. So the first three games of the season he was a second-string player. Then he missed, effectively, four games with a hamstring injury. By the time he was back, they had acquired Hopkins, too. Hilariously, his "healthy" games played snap total is identical to Hopkins' (629). Watson was healthy and available all year, played 97 percent of snaps in the meaningless Week 18 game against Denver, and was a better fit for the role in the offense the injured Marquise Brown vacated. Watson's role changed when Rice went down, and it changed again when Hopkins was acquired and Smith-Schuster came back. His snap count totals were driven by his availability, injuries, and circumstance. His pace over games 1-3 was fewer than 500 snaps. This isn't rocket science analysis. Pretty common sense to see what his snap count totals were higher than Hopkins and Smith-Schuster. Being mad about Watson getting more snaps than those dudes is like being mad that Kareem Hunt out-snapped Pacheco. |
I'm with Duncan et al here on Watson. He got snaps by default, not by choice.
If Rashee Rice never gets injured, his snaps probably drop to under 500, maybe 450. His first 3 games of the season, when Rice was playing, he averaged 29 snaps per game. After that, he went into the 50's. If Marquise Brown never gets injured, his snaps probably drop to 300-350 because Brown was starting to get 40+ snaps a game in the playoffs. If you then also add in JuJu being healthy, the guy might have been on the field for 200-300 snaps. It's all relative to injuries. Justin Watson wasn' this team's 4th best choice much less 2nd. |
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Are you trying to say that Andy Reid had Davante Adams and Jacobi Meyers available to him all season long and just played Watson for some unknown reason? I mean, we all know that you LOVE Dhop, but he didn't even get to the team until mid-season. Worthy was a rookie who's snaps increased as the season went on, which is expected. What WAS NOT expected is losing Brown for nearly the entire season and Rice for all but the first 3 games. This isn't hard. It's no conspiracy. Watson was slated to be the number 4 or 5, and injuries meant he had to play much, much more than anticipated. You're just being ridiculous here. It's like you refused to look at context or reality whatsoever. It's delusional. |
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Well, Josh Conerly or Derrick Harmon it is! (kicks the ground in frustrating fashion) |
Sorry staylor. This kid is going on day 2
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Washington State WR Kyle Williams visited the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> this week and has at least five more team visits scheduled in the coming weeks, with the potential for more.<br><br>Williams is coming off an exceptional season, recording 70 catches for 1,198 yards and 14 TDs. <a href="https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CSimmsQB</a>… <a href="https://t.co/KXl6X4X2Lh">pic.twitter.com/KXl6X4X2Lh</a></p>— Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) <a href="https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1905384701571076343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Hey, I think I was on Williams first!
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Staylor get your ass in here! Another Miami skill weapon having a visit with us.
Kid looks like a nice developmental WR prospect. 6 ft, 200 lbs, 4.44 speed <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/M0OcrPs-RWI?si=rLOxcnfwFxz2sQ4z" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">a clipped video from a podcast is making it's rounds showing WR Tetairoa McMillan saying: "I don't watch football... I don't like watching film either"<br><br>the host said it was "from the offseason" as if it was a recent recording<br><br>I want to clear this up: the video was filmed TWO… <a href="https://t.co/sG2GOcF3Ip">pic.twitter.com/sG2GOcF3Ip</a></p>— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1906024914701692976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I don’t think this is as big deal as it’s being made out to be. |
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Tyrone Broden, WR, Bowling Green/Arkansas 6"7" 200lbs...unofficial 4.22/4.32/4.37 40 times and 11'4" broad at pro day. Actual vid of 4.22 time embedded below, however. Former 3-star recruit. Redshirt senior who went from the MAC to the SEC which is jnteresting. It's usually the other way around. Reports say he's raw and needs route refinement but has +traits well worth developing. 7th Rd/UDFA Target? <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big time pro day for Arkansas WR Tyrone Broden (6’7”, 200 lbs), who is looking to become the first WR at 6’7” or taller to be drafted since Harold Carmichael (6’8”) in 1971. <br><br>40: 4.37 (A few hand times were lower) <br>Broad: 11’4”👀<br>V: 35”<br>SS: 4.40<br><br>Production in the SEC or at… <a href="https://t.co/58PNSF7Ruz">pic.twitter.com/58PNSF7Ruz</a></p>— Ryan Fowler (@_RyanFowler_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_RyanFowler_/status/1902736149514223907?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#400 Tyrone Broden played with Quintin Morris back at Bowling Green, put up a Pro Day 4.37 forty (3rd among all Pro Days so far, per <a href="https://twitter.com/alexkatson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@alexkatson</a>). <br>Height: 6-7 Weight: 198<a href="https://t.co/tBVOIFqRqg">https://t.co/tBVOIFqRqg</a></p>— Dean Kindig (@TCBILLS_Astro) <a href="https://twitter.com/TCBILLS_Astro/status/1902734963390239011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/rbLegzPICc">pic.twitter.com/rbLegzPICc</a></p>— 𝐓𝐲𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐁𝐫𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐧 (@TyroneBroden) <a href="https://twitter.com/TyroneBroden/status/1901708567767335035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/0RREDw51XI">pic.twitter.com/0RREDw51XI</a></p>— 𝐓𝐲𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐁𝐫𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐧 (@TyroneBroden) <a href="https://twitter.com/TyroneBroden/status/1901705768317096127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Where do you guys see Isaiah Bond getting drafted?
Projections seem to have him in the 2nd or 3rd. Seems like a typical Reid receiver. You can never have too much speed. |
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He would be exactly what we need though. The kid gets open and has sold hands. Tons of juice. I saw with my own eyes what happened when Hollywood came back in the first Texans game in December. The separation we had was amazing. He seems like an Andy Reid guy. Would love to have him at 66. |
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Bond ran slower than expected and people have the same character concerns with him that they had with Burton. I could see him falling into the 4th round at this point. Probably not far into it, but pick 110ish seems possible. EDIT: NM -- Burton also ran slower than expected (forgot that part) so maybe mid/late 3rd is about right. |
This might be the most Chiefs WR in the draft. This looks exactly like what the Chiefs look for. Bonus is that this kid is 190 lbs so he’s not super skinny.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Virginia Tech WR Jaylin Lane's athleticism showed up at the combine, and that's a good thing. Because it was a bit hidden in that passing game. I'd expect him to catch on in the NFL as a speed slot guy with gadget potential. Some real upside here. <a href="https://t.co/4i2YZmShVC">pic.twitter.com/4i2YZmShVC</a></p>— Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1901989976323363157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
We have a lot of slot players though. Wouldn’t hate it. But kind of all of our wrs are best from the slot or off.
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Royals is the most 'Chiefs' receiver that may slide to us, IMO. I could see us taking him if he's at the back of 2.
Fast, physical enough, good route runner, by all accounts a willing blocker/teammate. May not work out, in which case we'd be looking at someone like maybe Ayomanor or Kyle Williams. Lane could be in that group as well in the back of the 3rd or into the 4th. Maybe Jordan Watkins in the 7th round or De'Corian Clark. But I think they want someone out there that can be physical and also be athletic enough to do the 'run-offs' that they like doing with someone like Watson or Watkins before him. They don't always use those receivers purely as pass-catchers and right now I think their 'big 3' are all guys that are somewhat lacking in those sort of gritty areas that they like to have someone occupy. I'm not sure Lane does that. He feels more like a Skyy Moore replacement than a Justin Watson one. Remigio already gives us the Skyy Moore replacement. I don't see anybody on the roster who they'll want doing what Watson did. I'm starting to get a bit of a crush on Royals, though. Be awfully happy if we get him but I also don't think we'll see a ton of him this season. He's still pretty green. |
I'm big on Jalen Royals if we choose not to/can't get Burden or Egbuka in the first. And I agree with you, DJ - we'll have to take him at 63 or 66 if he's on our radar.
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Lane has some long friggin' arms for his frame. Catch radius is crazy!
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