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pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 08:57 PM

Bengals pay Chase and Higgins
 
https://www.threads.net/@jordanschul...5BEWOkJ4nXsxCg


Ja’Marr gets: 4-years, $161M with $112M guaranteed — making him the highest-paid non-QB in NFL history.

Tee gets: 4-years, $115M with the first two years guaranteed — making him the highest paid WR2 in NFL history.

big nasty kcnut 03-16-2025 08:58 PM

Thier defense going to suck!

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 08:59 PM

$69M per year for these two! Holy ****. LMAO

Add Joe’s AAV and the three account for $124m per year.

irafreak 03-16-2025 09:01 PM

Burrow has clout afterall

notorious 03-16-2025 09:02 PM

Good gawd.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 09:02 PM

If they pay Hendrickson $30m per year, four players would be taking up 55% of their cap

MahomesKnows 03-16-2025 09:03 PM

The beauty here is the spent all this money to stay the same team that didn't make the playoffs last season

TribalElder 03-16-2025 09:07 PM

neat, i hope that ****s their team over forever

BlackOp 03-16-2025 09:08 PM

So the Bengals let a lot their defense players walk last season...then scapegoated Anarumo because his defense suddenly became worse. They are letting their DE, who has had 17 sacks in consecutive season (only 5 times in nfl history) likely walk.

This exactly how you do not build a team...

Bengals ownership know Burrow is the only marketable selling point of their franchise...and without 2 top WRs, he becomes just "very good". He has proven that he needs both.

AFC north plays the NFC north next year...have fun with that Bengals fans.

Completely unbalanced way to design a team...and if Hendrickson bails...they are going to be in trouble.

Hammock Parties 03-16-2025 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18000812)
If they pay Hendrickson $30m per year, four players would be taking up 55% of their cap

He's going to be traded right before the draft.

Graystoke 03-16-2025 09:11 PM

They should have just kept Chase and let Higgins walk.
Oh well…anyway

Pepe Silvia 03-16-2025 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 18000811)
Good gawd.

With all my donations I should have had immunity from all of this shit.

scho63 03-16-2025 09:12 PM

Ravens 52 - Bengals 49

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 09:13 PM

Tee has missed 10 games the past two years, and that doesn’t include games he started and couldn’t finish of which there’s been at least a few.

It’s why I always hated the “bring him to the Chiefs” takes.

He’s another hammy away from being Sammy Watkins. And they just paid him $28.75m per.

Urc Burry 03-16-2025 09:14 PM

So Jefferson has the best 4 year start for receiver in history. And they still feel the need to give in and give Chase 5m more per year? That’s not even factoring in paying their #2 wr who averages 900 yards a season 30 a year

They are doomed

Buehler445 03-16-2025 09:17 PM

Wow.

Buehler445 03-16-2025 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 18000825)
So Jefferson has the best 4 year start for receiver in history. And they still feel the need to give in and give Chase 5m more per year? That’s not even factoring in paying their #2 wr who averages 900 yards a season 30 a year

They are doomed

They're doomed, but its not because they paid Chase. I think in most cases you pay Chase. Dude is ****ing incredible.

Higgins kills them.

Titty Meat 03-16-2025 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18000824)
Tee has missed 10 games the past two years, and that doesn’t include games he started and couldn’t finish of which there’s been at least a few.

It’s why I always hated the “bring him to the Chiefs” takes.

He’s another hammy away from being Sammy Watkins. And they just paid him $28.75m per.

That's some very strong wishful thinking. Watkins never had a season like Higgins did last year alone

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 18000831)
That's some very strong wishful thinking. Watkins never had a season like Higgins did last year alone

2015 he had better numbers.

It’s really not all that relevant. An unavailable player is not a good player. He’s been unavailable more than someone who gets paid $29m should be.

IowaHawkeyeChief 03-16-2025 09:21 PM

and this is why the Bengals will continue their non superbowl winning streak.

comochiefsfan 03-16-2025 09:26 PM

I figured other teams would learn from the Chiefs winning two straight Super Bowls on the heels of letting Tyreek walk.

I’m absolutely thrilled to see that they haven’t.

BlackOp 03-16-2025 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 18000838)
I figured other teams would learn from the Chiefs winning two straight Super Bowls on the heels of letting Tyreek walk.

I’m absolutely thrilled to see that they haven’t.

They won a SB with JuJu as their leading WR...Mahomes doesn't need two #1 WRs to succeed, Burrow does...he's proven that. Bengals obviously think so too...

They missed the post-season last year because their defense was terrible...so they double down on that winning formula by letting their only defensive star seek a trade and firing their DC.

Anarumo was a big part of them being competitive against Reid...

comochiefsfan 03-16-2025 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 18000839)
They won a SB with JuJu as their leading WR...Mahomes doesn't need two #1 WRs to succeed, Burrow does...he's proven that. Bengals obviously think so too...

I think it’s pretty safe to say that O-Line is much more important to Mahomes than receivers.

As long as his receivers aren’t actively bobbling accurate throws into interceptions like Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore, he’ll make it work.

ChiliConCarnage 03-16-2025 09:40 PM

Who drugged Mike Brown and signed these deals?

jjchieffan 03-16-2025 09:44 PM

Wow! I can't believe that they just tied up that much at receiver. The Chiefs chose to trade Tyreek instead of pay him and went on to win back to back Superbowls and make it to a 3rd. They bolstered their defense with the picks acquired in the trade and that's how they did it. Bengals front office is just horrible.

Iowanian 03-16-2025 09:48 PM

They’re going to have to draw seat numbers from fans in the stands like the Chiefs do to giveaway pizza and hy vee cards to fill the roster.

Sara in section 313 row 12 seat 7…you’re needed at defensive end.

DaFace 03-16-2025 09:55 PM

They'll be exciting to watch - I'll give them that. Skeptical it'll pay off in Super Bowls though.

Jamie 03-16-2025 10:02 PM

It'll be interesting to see how these are structured, since the Bengals haven't been a void year team.

Chieftain 03-16-2025 10:06 PM

I asked AI to provide a physical description of this Bungholes team heading into the 2025 season.
This is what it came up with: a fat, deceiving head... while the rest of the body seems to be dying of starvation.

https://images.immediate.co.uk/produ...rue&resize=800

chiefzilla1501 03-16-2025 10:30 PM

This is beyond hilarious for a number of reasons

As everyone’s said, just brutal to put that much into 3 players. This gives the vibe of a team less interested in winning and more interested in making the team entertaining to watch.

But the worst of it is this front office was so incompetent they added tens of millions to the price tag for not handling it earlier. And ironic that it was the other incompetent team in Ohio that drove up the price by signing Myles garrett

ThyKingdomCome15 03-16-2025 10:31 PM

It's fascinating to see the Bengals dish out an absurd amount of money to Burrow, Higgins, and Chase while they have only one offensive lineman who is graded above 60 per PFF, OC Kara's is a 64.

It's clear the priority is keeping Burrow happy. That's it, that's the plan.

TEX 03-16-2025 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 18000846)
Wow! I can't believe that they just tied up that much at receiver. The Chiefs chose to trade Tyreek instead of pay him and went on to win back to back Superbowls and make it to a 3rd. They bolstered their defense with the picks acquired in the trade and that's how they did it. Bengals front office is just horrible.

Their QB needs top tier WR's in order to win. They know that.

Bump 03-16-2025 11:00 PM

their fans literally thought that last season was a magical season and I constantly saw posts on twitter from them saying how much better Burrow is than Mahomes because he's putting up numbers despite losing so many games.

the NFL is a business, that's what their fans want, they don't value winning. They value passing stats. So this will keep the fans in the seats.

TEX 03-16-2025 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 18000867)
their fans literally thought that last season was a magical season and I constantly saw posts on twitter from them saying how much better Burrow is than Mahomes because he's putting up numbers despite losing so many games.

the NFL is a business, that's what their fans want, they don't value winning. They value passing stats. So this will keep the fans in the seats.

Give Mahomes their WR's and you'll see lots of stats + winning.

Deberg_1990 03-16-2025 11:57 PM

Nice. Burrow, Chase and Tee will
Continue to put up record numbers. Profit!!

dlphg9 03-16-2025 11:59 PM

Chase got $5 mil/yr more than Jefferson.

That's ****ing nuts

St. Patty's Fire 03-17-2025 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 18000878)
Chase got $5 mil/yr more than Jefferson.

That's ****ing nuts

i mean it’s just about timing. if jefferson was due for a contract next year he’d prob get 41m per+

suzzer99 03-17-2025 01:44 AM

This will give the pundits something to break up the wall-to-wall Aaron Rodgers and Micah Parsons coverage.

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 04:28 AM

I think this is a mistake.

srvy 03-17-2025 05:39 AM

Going to try to outscore everyone to the Super Bowl. They better have the greatest draft in NFL history to get some defense. Then be able to pay their draft picks.

It's that chili spaghetti. It's turning that city into crazy town.

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 06:07 AM

If this was a strategy that worked other teams would have done it.

Hoover 03-17-2025 06:37 AM

This will only make Veachs decision with Tyreek look even better than it was imo. They needed to trade Higgins when 3 years ago. There are opportunities to draft WRs in every draft.

You have to have some sort of balance to win it all in The NFL. Heck they don’t have balance on the offensive side of the roster let alone the hopes for a middle of the road defense.

Hoover 03-17-2025 06:38 AM

This will only make Veachs decision with Tyreek look even better than it was imo. They needed to trade Higgins when 3 years ago. There are opportunities to draft WRs in every draft.

You have to have some sort of balance to win it all in The NFL. Heck they don’t have balance on the offensive side of the roster let alone the hopes for a middle of the road defense.

Mr_Tomahawk 03-17-2025 06:45 AM

LOL…wtf!?


Does their owner sign their checks with crayons, too?

Rainbarrel 03-17-2025 06:56 AM

Toilet water in the Bengals' facility will be dyed green today. It's not in honor of St Patrick's Day

BigRedChief 03-17-2025 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18000812)
If they pay Hendrickson $30m per year, four players would be taking up 55% of their cap

And they will never win a SB.

BlackOp 03-17-2025 07:08 AM

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BlackOp 03-17-2025 07:09 AM

Higgins has averaged about 780 yards the past two seasons....$28 million per.

I thought the idea of having a $50+ million QB was so you didnt have surround him with an addition $70 million worth of WRs to be successful. Essentially nothing has changed since they missed making the playoffs last year.

RedinTexas 03-17-2025 07:24 AM

I think the Bengals are crazy to tie up so much of the cap in so few players, but the impact is probably going to be less than what we think. The cap is going up by so much every year that in 5 years we'll look back on these 2 signings as fairly routine. The cap went down during the Covid hiccup, but it has gone up nearly $100 million over the next 4 years after that or about 67% total. If the cap goes up by 67% over the next 4 years, it will stand at $466 million. Those 2 contracts for Chase and Higgins are much less of a burden if the cap goes up like that.

htismaqe 03-17-2025 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 18000810)
Burrow has clout afterall

It isn't clout, it's leverage. Without him they are literally nowhere. He could have pulled a Carson Palmer.

kccrow 03-17-2025 07:35 AM

I can see paying Chase but paying Higgins right along with him is epic stupidity

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 07:43 AM

Since college Joe had had it all to win. If doesn't get a ring with this super offense he's to blame. No excuses. Media will start the OL blaming if the don't

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 07:44 AM

Since college Joe had had it all to win. If doesn't get a ring with this super offense he's to blame. No excuses. Media will start the OL blaming if the don't.

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 07:48 AM

Higgins guranteed money not reported yet? How much is it?

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htismaqe 03-17-2025 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 18000838)
I figured other teams would learn from the Chiefs winning two straight Super Bowls on the heels of letting Tyreek walk.

I’m absolutely thrilled to see that they haven’t.

The Bills seemed to have been paying attention. The Bengals are banking on different being better.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18000808)
$69M per year for these two! Holy ****. LMAO

Add Joe’s AAV and the three account for $124m per year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18000812)
If they pay Hendrickson $30m per year, four players would be taking up 55% of their cap

It still boggles my mind that in this day and age, people still think their APY is what the cap hit is going to be.

So sad. :(

dirk digler 03-17-2025 10:23 AM

Props to the Bengals for getting these done and I see they are working on extending Trey Henderson. Not sure how they can afford all of this though.

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-17-2025 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18000973)
The Bills seemed to have been paying attention. The Bengals are banking on different being better.

It can work if they draft and develop well. All football sins can be cleansed if you just draft well. But they did fire Lou, and I think that's going to bite them in the ass here soon.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 18001045)
It can work if they draft and develop well. All football sins can be cleansed if you just draft well. But they did fire Lou, and I think that's going to bite them in the ass here soon.

Lou's loosey goosey laid back D was the reason for at least a couple losses this past year.

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-17-2025 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 18001071)
Lou's loosey goosey laid back D was the reason for at least a couple losses this past year.

You've gone on record here saying Lou put Mahomes in a blender in that AFCCG Bengals win, and they played them pretty tough the next year. Now it's Lou's fault for their decline the last 2 years?

Sorry, but I don't see how that makes sense.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 18001077)
You've gone on record here saying Lou put Mahomes in a blender in that AFCCG Bengals win, and they played them pretty tough the next year. Now it's Lou's fault for their decline the last 2 years?

Sorry, but I don't see how that makes sense.

It was partially the scheme, mostly the players. And that was 3-4 years ago. Lesser players = scheme not being as effective.

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 11:26 AM

They may as well pay their DE as well.

DRM08 03-17-2025 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 18001032)
Props to the Bengals for getting these done and I see they are working on extending Trey Henderson. Not sure how they can afford all of this though.


Wonder if Cincy will play the Void Year game like the Eagles.

https://i.ibb.co/v9dKkXz/Eagle-Salaries.jpg

kccrow 03-17-2025 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 18001029)
It still boggles my mind that in this day and age, people still think their APY is what the cap hit is going to be.

So sad. :(

Most people aren't that stupid.

They are also not that stupid to think that most contracts aren't structured to keep a low year one, stabilize in the middle at the APY, and then exceed the APY in the last year or two. That means in 2026 and 2027, you're going to have two receivers and a QB eating some serious chunk of your cap, no matter how pretty you want to make it look. That chunk looks to be about 40%.

The only way you aren't is if you do the Howie Roseman dance and put your franchise at risk of being the current New Orleans Saints for a few years by paying serious chunks to nobody on your roster later on.

It's a big investment in 1 position. You can work with it but I feel like money could be better spent on two high-mid tier (15-16 AAV) guys than one Tee Higgins. An example would be signing a really good Safety, that your team needs, and a good complimentary WR.

This just doesn't look like a smart move. These are the moves that put even more pressure on your GM to hit in the draft.

Red Dawg 03-17-2025 11:41 AM

Only time will tell now. It's all on Joe. He whined like a little girl to keep these two so he better win it all. If he doesn't that's his fault.

BlackOp 03-17-2025 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 18001032)
Props to the Bengals for getting these done and I see they are working on extending Trey Henderson. Not sure how they can afford all of this though.

So they are returning the same 8th place AFC team from last season...just $100 million poorer. Solid off-season...

BlackOp 03-17-2025 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 18001122)
He whined like a little girl to keep these two

Why wouldnt he...he hasn't been so great when they arent both playing. It's not his money...he gets to play with these two for the majority of his career now. No one will ever know how good he actually is if he didnt have them...I do know he still doesn't have any 4th quarter TDs in the post-season.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18001120)
Most people aren't that stupid.

They are also not that stupid to think that most contracts aren't structured to keep a low year one, stabilize in the middle at the APY, and then exceed the APY in the last year or two. That means in 2026 and 2027, you're going to have two receivers and a QB eating some serious chunk of your cap, no matter how pretty you want to make it look. That chunk looks to be about 40%.

The only way you aren't is if you do the Howie Roseman dance and put your franchise at risk of being the current New Orleans Saints for a few years by paying serious chunks to nobody on your roster later on.

It's a big investment in 1 position. You can work with it but I feel like money could be better spent on two high-mid tier (15-16 AAV) guys than one Tee Higgins. An example would be signing a really good Safety, that your team needs, and a good complimentary WR.

This just doesn't look like a smart move. These are the moves that put even more pressure on your GM to hit in the draft.

Two years from now, Burrow restructures and drops his cap hits to 19/29. That balances the bigger numbers from Chase and Tee.

Cap will prolly be about 20-30M higher in 2 years as well.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 18001144)
So they are returning the same 8th place AFC team from last season...just $100 million poorer. Solid off-season...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 18001153)
Why wouldnt he...he hasn't been so great when they arent both playing. It's not his money...he gets to play with these two for the majority of his career now. No one will ever know how good he actually is if he didnt have them...I do know he still doesn't have any 4th quarter TDs in the post-season.

These are 2 very ill-informed posts.

wazu 03-17-2025 12:24 PM

rfaulk - Are you happy with the Higgins contract?

kccrow 03-17-2025 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 18001171)
Two years from now, Burrow restructures and drops his cap hits to 19/29. That balances the bigger numbers from Chase and Tee.

Cap will prolly be about 20-30M higher in 2 years as well.

I accounted for the cap differential with the 40% but not Burrow restructuring. You're right that he probably will have to do it. They structured his deal really similarly to Mahomes. Remains an astronomical cost for 2 WRs that normally gets spread among 3 top-tier talents on a team. Will be interesting to see how it turns out. Letting Higgins go and signing a lesser WR as a #2 would have absolutely been my play. Hell, you probably could have got at least a high 2nd trading Higgins to someone. Seems illogical to not use that to your advantage in multiple ways.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18001180)
rfaulk - Are you happy with the Higgins contract?

I really have no choice. More to the point, i'll be happy if they're able to still sign one of the FA guards left, then draft one in the top 2 rounds, along with getting one of the safeties.

Re-signing Trey would be optimal as well. I don't think these contracts (along with Trey) keep them from still dipping in the FA market.

As far as his specific money...sure, he's worth what he got...if he plays 15+ games. He did speak of consulting some kind of nutritionist (or something like that) about what could help him with his soft tissue issues.

PS. after i see Chase and Tee's yearly cap hits, then i'll comment on how nice it would be to grab Za'Darius Smith...

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18001194)
I accounted for the cap differential with the 40% but not Burrow restructuring. You're right that he probably will have to do it. They structured his deal really similarly to Mahomes. Remains an astronomical cost for 2 WRs that normally gets spread among 3 top-tier talents on a team. Will be interesting to see how it turns out. Letting Higgins go and signing a lesser WR as a #2 would have absolutely been my play. Hell, you probably could have got at least a high 2nd trading Higgins to someone. Seems illogical to not use that to your advantage in multiple ways.

It's def out of the box thinking and yes...we will all see how it turns out in the end.

I certainly have my fingers crossed.

DynastyChiefs 03-17-2025 01:06 PM

Paying Chase was a good move except he is not worth $5 million more than Jefferson, Paying Higgins was a dumb move since he keeps getting hurt

htismaqe 03-17-2025 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 18001239)
It's def out of the box thinking and yes...we will all see how it turns out in the end.

I certainly have my fingers crossed.

Yep, we talked about this months ago. The Chiefs, Bills, and Ravens seem to be moving one direction with WRs. The Bengals are basically doing the opposite. It will either prove to be genius or stupid. There's not much room for it to just be meh.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DynastyChiefs (Post 18001243)
Paying Chase was a good move except he is not worth $5 million more than Jefferson, Paying Higgins was a dumb move since he keeps getting hurt

"Worth got nothing to do with it" - W. Munny probably.

The market dictates the contract. Chase has always been, at the very least, equal to JJ. Jefferson has bigger numbers with lesser QBs but Chase has the triple crown and production in the playoffs.

Bowser 03-17-2025 01:16 PM

Well, the Kitties are going to be a fun team to watch this year, there's no doubt about that. But man is it going to hurt for them when they get bounced early in the playoffs.

As a long time Chiefs fan, I know what I speak of with this. I've witnessed it firsthand many, many times.

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18001257)
Yep, we talked about this months ago. The Chiefs, Bills, and Ravens seem to be moving one direction with WRs. The Bengals are basically doing the opposite. It will either prove to be genius or stupid. There's not much room for it to just be meh.

Yep. People cite the Chiefs with Hill, but how many teams have Mahomes at QB...

rfaulk34 03-17-2025 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 18001269)
Well, the Kitties are going to be a fun team to watch this year, there's no doubt about that. But man is it going to hurt for them when they get bounced early in the playoffs.

As a long time Chiefs fan, I know what I speak of with this. I've witnessed it firsthand many, many times.

If the Oline stays healthy (in whatever iteration it becomes) i have no worries about the offense. An, at least, mid level defense is vitally important to moving on in the playoffs though.


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