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Hammock Parties 03-19-2025 06:41 PM

Scientists map massive underground structures beneath the Giza Pyramid
 
Going 650 METERS BELOW

WITH ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES EVEN FARTHER DOWN!

This is crazy. Clearly an alien base.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmbrnOLX...name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmbrnOZW...name=4096x4096



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF is going on under the Giza pyramids? <a href="https://t.co/X3d24jPbEs">pic.twitter.com/X3d24jPbEs</a></p>&mdash; 8BitTendies (@8BitTendies) <a href="https://twitter.com/8BitTendies/status/1902385917253374382?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BWillie 03-19-2025 07:04 PM

You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

ChiliConCarnage 03-19-2025 07:23 PM

The bots didn't just show up, they've been here for years

Pepe Silvia 03-19-2025 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18003793)
You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

If you got whipped in the back like 10 times you died.

Jewish Rabbi 03-19-2025 07:28 PM

They got curbs on that pyramid?

Stewie 03-19-2025 07:34 PM

I had no idea they built coil-spring mattresses under the pyramids. Makes sense since it was to be the Pharoah's eternal resting place.

lcarus 03-19-2025 07:35 PM

This has fascinated me for years. Even if there's not a damn thing under there. I've always wondered.

Yo Murphy. 03-19-2025 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 18003817)
They got curbs on that pyramid?

lol. shouldn't laugh every time I see this but i do.

GabyKeepsMeWarm 03-19-2025 07:40 PM

Weird, wild stuff. Would like to see them do the same sort of ground penetrating radar at other pyramid sites around the globe.

Stewie 03-19-2025 07:52 PM

I recently watched a video from a Brit that was there in January. He did not like the experience on the Giza plateau. Locals nearly assaulted him wanting money whether they had something to sell or not.

He said the pyramid built by Khufu was impressive in size but really wasn't interesting compared to older pyramids further up the Nile. He did wait in line to go inside the pyramid and that was worth it (though it was claustrophobic).

He did say the best part of the Giza plateau is there's a spot to photograph all 9 pyramids in one shot.

DJJasonp 03-19-2025 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 18003846)
I recently watched a video from a Brit that was there in January. He did not like the experience on the Giza plateau. Locals nearly assaulted him wanting money whether they had something to sell or not.

He said the pyramid built by Khufu was impressive in size but really wasn't interesting compared to older pyramids further up the Nile. He did wait in line to go inside the pyramid and that was worth it (though it was claustrophobic).

He did say the best part of the Giza plateau is there's a spot to photograph all 9 pyramids in one shot.


Heh. I think I watched that same vid on YouTube. You could tell it was bad, especially the guy on the camel.

I’m fascinated with that stuff and it’s a bucket list trip for sure

Dunerdr 03-19-2025 08:06 PM

The pyramids were a chemical plant that made fertilizers.

Stewie 03-19-2025 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 18003855)
Heh. I think I watched that same vid on YouTube. You could tell it was bad, especially the guy on the camel.

I’m fascinated with that stuff and it’s a bucket list trip for sure

My bucket list, too.

There's a YouTube channel by David Milano called World of Antiquity. He made the trip in 2023 and said you definitely need a good guide or else it can be a nightmare. He has his entire trip documented on his channel. It's worth the watch.

He has also done trips to Turkey and China that are really interesting.

threebag 03-19-2025 08:26 PM

“This is Geraldo Rivera reporting from the pyramids in Giza…”

threebag 03-19-2025 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18003793)
You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

Hear about it for ages?

Ebolapox 03-19-2025 08:29 PM

Link? Otherwise you’re prone to posting fake news. Kc editorial board anybody?

Rainbarrel 03-19-2025 08:31 PM

I'd happily be dumber than that box, I just put rocks in

Ebolapox 03-19-2025 08:32 PM

Found something about this from last year, haven’t found the 650 meters down part—that’s insane depth.

Hammock Parties 03-19-2025 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 18003887)
Link? Otherwise you’re prone to posting fake news. Kc editorial board anybody?

https://gregreese.substack.com/p/sar...dRedirect=true

SAR Scan of Khafre Pyramid Shows Huge Underground Structures

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Corrado Malanga, from the University of Pisa, and Filippo Biondi, involved in radar and remote sensing research with the University of Strathclyde, published peer-reviewed research in 2022 via MDPI, entitled, “Synthetic Aperture Radar Doppler Tomography Reveals Details of Undiscovered High-Resolution Internal Structure of the Great Pyramid of Giza.”

Their research was conducted using SAR data, Synthetic Aperture Radar, along with proprietary software, developed by Filippo Biondi, that transforms the radar signals into phononic information which allows for the detection of millimetric vibrations. This cutting-edge technology is capable of revealing underground structures invisible to traditional methods, and revealed internal structures never seen before.

Having established their expertise in using SAR to explore pyramid structures non-invasively, a recent press release on their current project was released last Saturday.

This March 15th press release summarized the key findings in the team’s research of the second largest pyramid of the Giza Plateau, known as the Khafre Pyramid. And what they found was astonishing.

The analyses of dozens of tomographic SAR images obtained from different angles enabled the 3D reconstruction of inside the pyramid of Khafre. And deep beneath the surface of the plateau.

Near the base of the pyramid, 5 identical structures are seen, connected by geometric pathways. Inside each of these are 5 horizontal levels and a sloping roof.

Below these 5 structures are 8 cylindrical structures which appear to be vertical wells, hollow inside, and surrounded by descending spiral pathways. These 8 vertically aligned cylindrical structures, arranged in two parallel rows from north to south, descend to a depth of 648 meters where they all merge into two large cubic structures measuring approximately 80 meters per side.

The entire structure extends approximately two kilometers beneath the surface. And extends beneath all three pyramids of the Giza Plateau complex.

Mainstream Egyptology tells us that the Giza pyramids were tombs for pharaohs, Khufu, Khafre, and Menkaure. And that they were built around 2500 BC using ramps, sledges, and levers.

But the redundant mathematics in their construction, which include Pi, the golden ratio, and the speed of light, along with the testimony of today’s expert architects, suggests that the official story does not hold up.

The massive underground structure revealed by the recent SAR data shows what appears to be a mechanical or functional system. And this has been hypothesized in the past.

Nikola Tesla believed that the pyramids could harness earth’s natural frequencies. This arguably inspired his experiments in wireless energy transmission and scalar waves.

In, “The Giza Power Plant,” Christopher Dunn argued that the Great Pyramid was a power-generating machine using resonant and acoustic forces to convert mechanical stress into electricity.

In, “The Giza Death Star,” Joseph Farrell proposed that the Great Pyramid of Giza was a weapon of mass destruction using a type of physics, that he calls “paleophysics,” to focus energy as a scalar weapon.

The cylindrical wells could be conduits for energy or sound waves, and the cubic structures might serve as energy storage or stabilization units, akin to components in a large-scale weapon or generator. And the detection of vibrations in the pyramid’s internal structures, reflects all of these ideas.

The Khafre Project hopes to plan an excavation in order to discover more about this underground structure, but history shows that this will be very difficult to get approval for.

threebag 03-19-2025 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18003793)
You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 18003889)
Found something about this from last year, haven’t found the 650 meters down part—that’s insane depth.

https://i.imgur.com/kKScp.jpg

stumppy 03-19-2025 08:51 PM

ROFL

philfree 03-19-2025 08:53 PM

Aliens (us) were absorbed by this planet and had to start from ground zero to get to where we are today. That's an amazing concept but we are heading for Mars so...

RealSNR 03-19-2025 08:53 PM

That's a mighty impressive Bass Pro Shop

GloucesterChief 03-19-2025 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18003892)
https://gregreese.substack.com/p/sar...dRedirect=true

SAR Scan of Khafre Pyramid Shows Huge Underground Structures

There is no actual press release that this author is referencing. At least google comes up with nothing.

The two people did publish a paper: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/14/20/5231

Its conclusions however are not anywhere near what this Greg Greese claims. Basically the authors claim that at the time the Pyramids were built that part of the Gaza plateau flooded regularly and that the pyramids had a drainage system built into them.

Kman34 03-19-2025 09:16 PM

Never believe anything you see on TicTok…

Jewish Rabbi 03-19-2025 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 18003908)
There is no actual press release that this author is referencing. At least google comes up with nothing.

The two people did publish a paper: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/14/20/5231

Its conclusions however are not anywhere near what this Greg Greese claims. Basically the authors claim that at the time the Pyramids were built that part of the Gaza plateau flooded regularly and that the pyramids had a drainage system built into them.

But King Tut and Cleopatra got into a shouting match at halftime over the playcalling!!!

Stewie 03-19-2025 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 18003908)
There is no actual press release that this author is referencing. At least google comes up with nothing.

The two people did publish a paper: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/14/20/5231

Its conclusions however are not anywhere near what this Greg Greese claims. Basically the authors claim that at the time the Pyramids were built that part of the Gaza plateau flooded regularly and that the pyramids had a drainage system built into them.

Yeah. I knew the article was bogus since they used SAR in their research. SAR can't do the things that Greese guy claims.

threebag 03-19-2025 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 18003925)
Yeah. I knew the article was bogus since they used SAR in their research. SAR can't do the things that Greese guy claims.

OP don’t care, he just wanted the attention. He’ll be finishing off the rest of the boys over at the Editorial Board stat.

scho63 03-19-2025 11:04 PM

If they find Big Foot hiding down there I'll be impressed.

RunKC 03-19-2025 11:12 PM

There’s no way the Egyptians could have done this without help. Nearly half a mile underground? To chambers?

Call me a conspiracy theorist but if this is true then someone had to have helped them.

BWillie 03-19-2025 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18004002)
There’s no way the Egyptians could have done this without help. Nearly half a mile underground? To chambers?

Call me a conspiracy theorist but if this is true then someone had to have helped them.

Sure they could have.

Threats of violence if not compliant.

Pulleys. Ropes. Sleds.

Very reasonable.

Hammock Parties 03-19-2025 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18004004)
Sure they could have.

Threats of violence if not compliant.

Pulleys. Ropes. Sleds.

Very reasonable.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/db/3b/2c/d...08c901fe34.jpg

Garcia Bronco 03-20-2025 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18003793)
You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

Don't think the pyramids were built with slaves. I think that was some b******* somebody said 100 years ago. Either way I don't think we actually know that.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18004004)
Sure they could have.

Threats of violence if not compliant.

Pulleys. Ropes. Sleds.

Very reasonable.

And literal DECADES in which to get it done.

The idea that humans couldn't have built things on that scale is just nutty to me. Of course they could've. The only thing I find particularly impressive is the precision.

But then you look at how Eratosthenes managed to calculate the circumference of the earth within about 100 miles using nothing more than a couple of shadows, a well and some AP Geography level math and you realize that these ****ers were smart.

And they didn't have a lot to do. There weren't doing a lot of doom scrolling to fritter their days away.

Human history is pretty long and there were a whole lot of really bright people mixed in with all the stupid that came along the way. Yeah, they absolutely could've made these calculations and oftentimes did to levels of certainty that are on par with what we're capable of with modern technology.

Coochie liquor 03-20-2025 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 18003855)
Heh. I think I watched that same vid on YouTube. You could tell it was bad, especially the guy on the camel.

I’m fascinated with that stuff and it’s a bucket list trip for sure

I used to want to go there badly. But I don’t want to subject my wife to all the creeps over there. Saw a video where I girl had shorts on, and the taxi driver was literally staring at them nonstop the whole ride.

notorious 03-20-2025 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage (Post 18003808)
The bots didn't just show up, they've been here for years

Highly underrated post LMAO

saphojunkie 03-20-2025 08:08 AM

This alien live close to you?

htismaqe 03-20-2025 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004075)
And literal DECADES in which to get it done.

The idea that humans couldn't have built things on that scale is just nutty to me. Of course they could've. The only thing I find particularly impressive is the precision.

But then you look at how Eratosthenes managed to calculate the circumference of the earth within about 100 miles using nothing more than a couple of shadows, a well and some AP Geography level math and you realize that these ****ers were smart.

And they didn't have a lot to do. There weren't doing a lot of doom scrolling to fritter their days away.

Human history is pretty long and there were a whole lot of really bright people mixed in with all the stupid that came along the way. Yeah, they absolutely could've made these calculations and oftentimes did to levels of certainty that are on par with what we're capable of with modern technology.

Exactly this.

We are constantly discovering new evidence that proves ancient people were a lot smarter than we thought. How did they build the pyramids? How did Danes and Norsemen make it to Newfoundland in what amounts to modern day fishing boats? There's hundreds of examples in history of human ingenuity far beyond anything we previously believed.

KurtCobain 03-20-2025 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004075)
And literal DECADES in which to get it done.

The idea that humans couldn't have built things on that scale is just nutty to me. Of course they could've. The only thing I find particularly impressive is the precision.

But then you look at how Eratosthenes managed to calculate the circumference of the earth within about 100 miles using nothing more than a couple of shadows, a well and some AP Geography level math and you realize that these ****ers were smart.

And they didn't have a lot to do. There weren't doing a lot of doom scrolling to fritter their days away.

Human history is pretty long and there were a whole lot of really bright people mixed in with all the stupid that came along the way. Yeah, they absolutely could've made these calculations and oftentimes did to levels of certainty that are on par with what we're capable of with modern technology.

Important Note, nature has always been and always will be, more precise than human touch. Erosion is a sweat sob.

ThrobProng 03-20-2025 08:19 AM

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In, “The Giza Death Star,” Joseph Farrell proposed that the Great Pyramid of Giza was a weapon of mass destruction using a type of physics, that he calls “paleophysics,” to focus energy as a scalar weapon.
:facepalm:

Woogieman 03-20-2025 08:22 AM

People seem to dismiss that the higher the structure, the further from the base edge you are.
Fact: 25 ton blocks (forget the larger ones, which are nearly 80 tons) can't be moved rollers/sleds at greater angles than 10 degrees. You could build a perimeter ramp for a few levels, but the materials required to build a ramp system from ground entry to the top of the structure, all at 10 degrees or less, would be a creation several times that of the pyramid. You would start your uphill journey more than a mile away...can you imagine building a mountain (of mostly sand?) strong enough to hold thousands of workers and hundreds of tons of equipment and granite blocks just to build another mountain made of block?

How could the pharoah afford that? Quarrrying, transporting, loading/offloading, ramp duty, sled construction, pulley-level-crane maintenance staff, rope-making team...and most importantly, the staff to feed and water several thousands. Who would be left to work the fields and staff the world's greatest military of its time? Egypt was already susceptible to famines and plagues, would the pharaoh and a "willing" work force spend decades building a vanity project knowing that leaving the fields could result in starvation?

htismaqe 03-20-2025 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004136)
People seem to dismiss that the higher the structure, the further from the base edge you are.
Fact: 25 ton blocks (forget the larger ones, which are nearly 80 tons) can't be moved rollers/sleds at greater angles than 10 degrees. You could build a perimeter ramp for a few levels, but the materials required to build a ramp system from ground entry to the top of the structure, all at 10 degrees or less, would be a creation several times that of the pyramid. You would start your uphill journey more than a mile away...can you imagine building a mountain (of mostly sand?) strong enough to hold thousands of workers and hundreds of tons of equipment and granite blocks just to build another mountain made of block?

How could the pharoah afford that? Quarrrying, transporting, loading/offloading, ramp duty, sled construction, pulley-level-crane maintenance staff, rope-making team...and most importantly, the staff to feed and water several thousands. Who would be left to work the fields and staff the world's greatest military of its time? Egypt was already susceptible to famines and plagues, would the pharaoh and a "willing" work force spend decades building a vanity project knowing that leaving the fields could result in starvation?

You've obviously never been to central Europe. It's littered with castles of lesser lords that couldn't afford them. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Read up on the Sabeans (Sheba). They built structures unbelievable at the time including massive dams.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004115)
Exactly this.

We are constantly discovering new evidence that proves ancient people were a lot smarter than we thought. How did they build the pyramids? How did Danes and Norsemen make it to Newfoundland in what amounts to modern day fishing boats? There's hundreds of examples in history of human ingenuity far beyond anything we previously believed.

Which was just comically arrogant of us.

Exceptionally intelligent people have always existed. And as a fairly firm believer in the 'great man' theory, I do think most moments that shape humanity came about as a result of just a handful of brilliant people who were in the right place at the right time.

I mean agrarian society is one that I point to a lot. You look at certain grasses/wheats and they have drought protection mechanisms that mean only 1 in 5 or so seeds actually germinate in a year. They didn't know that then.

So they have 100 people in their village and they plant enough wheat seeds for 100 of them....20% of those germinate and half the village starves to death.

In most cases that probably ended things. They went back to hunting and gathering.

At some point then there was one guy who said "Nah, we're gonna try this again..." and they powered through and made it work. And suddenly agriculture was born.

There has always been brilliance in the world. Doggedness. Industriousness. And there's always been lazy and/or simply mediocre and forgettable.

Why should we have EVER believed that there weren't people who were absolutely as innately intelligent as anyone we have on the planet today. And as such would have problem-solving skills that rival anything we see in modern times. They use the tools at their disposal but as brilliant people they could make those tools do some pretty remarkable things.

GloucesterChief 03-20-2025 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004136)
People seem to dismiss that the higher the structure, the further from the base edge you are.
Fact: 25 ton blocks (forget the larger ones, which are nearly 80 tons) can't be moved rollers/sleds at greater angles than 10 degrees. You could build a perimeter ramp for a few levels, but the materials required to build a ramp system from ground entry to the top of the structure, all at 10 degrees or less, would be a creation several times that of the pyramid. You would start your uphill journey more than a mile away...can you imagine building a mountain (of mostly sand?) strong enough to hold thousands of workers and hundreds of tons of equipment and granite blocks just to build another mountain made of block?

How could the pharoah afford that? Quarrrying, transporting, loading/offloading, ramp duty, sled construction, pulley-level-crane maintenance staff, rope-making team...and most importantly, the staff to feed and water several thousands. Who would be left to work the fields and staff the world's greatest military of its time? Egypt was already susceptible to famines and plagues, would the pharaoh and a "willing" work force spend decades building a vanity project knowing that leaving the fields could result in starvation?

There are two seasons where not as many workers are needed out in the fields: summer and winter. That is when the Pyramids were built. Egypt never had the best military and the fact it had rather hard to cross deserts surrounding it lead to it not being threatened all that much.

Also, the blocks are not uniform with the ones higher up being smaller than the ones at the base.

Pyramids are from the Old Kingdom period which is strictly bronze age. So the military was a warrior elite, who could afford bronze weapons and armor, and a bunch of lightly armed and armored archers, slingers, and skirmishers.

GloucesterChief 03-20-2025 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004141)
Which was just comically arrogant of us.

Exceptionally intelligent people have always existed. And as a fairly firm believer in the 'great man' theory, I do think most moments that shape humanity came about as a result of just a handful of brilliant people who were in the right place at the right time.

I mean agrarian society is one that I point to a lot. You look at certain grasses/wheats and they have drought protection mechanisms that mean only 1 in 5 or so seeds actually germinate in a year. They didn't know that then.

So they have 100 people in their village and they plant enough wheat seeds for 100 of them....20% of those germinate and half the village starves to death.

In most cases that probably ended things. They went back to hunting and gathering.

At some point then there was one guy who said "Nah, we're gonna try this again..." and they powered through and made it work. And suddenly agriculture was born.

There has always been brilliance in the world. Doggedness. Industriousness. And there's always been lazy and/or simply mediocre and forgettable.

Why should we have EVER believed that there weren't people who were absolutely as innately intelligent as anyone we have on the planet today. And as such would have problem-solving skills that rival anything we see in modern times. They use the tools at their disposal but as brilliant people they could make those tools do some pretty remarkable things.

Indeed. I was reading about how Mayan plazas were constructed. They actually built them with a 1 degree tilt to funnel rainwater into canals which lead to irrigation cisterns. Amazing feat of engineering and precision.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004140)
You've obviously never been to central Europe. It's littered with castles of lesser lords that couldn't afford them. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Read up on the Sabeans (Sheba). They built structures unbelievable at the time including massive dams.

I have, and I've visited castles. They most often COULD afford to build them, they and their progeny just couldn't afford to maintain them. I'm not saying man was uncapable of such construction, what I AM saying is, it wasn't done in the manner and time frames we were told. Popular Eqyptology claims the Khufu pyramid was completed in about a decade, later stretched to 20 years...pretty amazing considering it took 15 years to complete a tunnel in Boston.

My point: the ancient 7 wonders were very well detailed by multiple eyewitness going back to Alexander. Only one remains, which was lumped in with 6 missing, which givens SOME creedence to the testimony. These constructions would still be wonders of the modern world, but with a few exceptions, man's engineering feats started over, and we lived an agrarian existence for centuries. I believe it likely that the pyramids were built by advanced societies with technology we still don't know about, and that Atlantis was probably based on truth, although maybe exaggerated or misunderstood like much of the ancient "wisdom". A catastrophic meteor like Chicxulub, massive tectonic movement, or natural, long-lived climate cycles wiped out most of civilzations and we had to start over again. I just don't believe the Egyptians of 2,400 BC? came from nothing and built something like the pyramids.

htismaqe 03-20-2025 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004169)
I have, and I've visited castles. They most often COULD afford to build them, they and their progeny just couldn't afford to maintain them. I'm not saying man was uncapable of such construction, what I AM saying is, it wasn't done in the manner and time frames we were told. Popular Eqyptology claims the Khufu pyramid was completed in about a decade, later stretched to 20 years...pretty amazing considering it took 15 years to complete a tunnel in Boston.

My point: the ancient 7 wonders were very well detailed by multiple eyewitness going back to Alexander. Only one remains, which was lumped in with 6 missing, which givens SOME creedence to the testimony. These constructions would still be wonders of the modern world, but with a few exceptions, man's engineering feats started over, and we lived an agrarian existence for centuries. I believe it likely that the pyramids were built by advanced societies with technology we still don't know about, and that Atlantis was probably based on truth, although maybe exaggerated or misunderstood like much of the ancient "wisdom". A catastrophic meteor like Chicxulub, massive tectonic movement, or natural, long-lived climate cycles wiped out most of civilzations and we had to start over again. I just don't believe the Egyptians of 2,400 BC? came from nothing and built something like the pyramids.

There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

ThrobProng 03-20-2025 08:58 AM

If you're getting help from an advanced alien civilization and the pyramids are the best you can do, you suck. So do the aliens for that matter.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2025 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 18004184)
If you're getting help from an advanced alien civilization and the pyramids are the best you can do, you suck. So do the aliens for that matter.

You don't know what they looked like thousands of years ago. The technology could have crumbled into dust, or been beamed into space.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 18004150)
There are two seasons where not as many workers are needed out in the fields: summer and winter. That is when the Pyramids were built ...which makes the 20 year time frame as espoused by the "experts" all that more ludicrous.

Egypt never had the best military and the fact it had rather hard to cross deserts surrounding it lead to it not being threatened all that much. The New Kingdom military was a dominant force and conqured the Levant

Also, the blocks are not uniform with the ones higher up being smaller than the ones at the base. yes, we know that, but the heaviest stone in the King's Chamber is about 450' high.

Pyramids are from the Old Kingdom period which is strictly bronze age. So the military was a warrior elite, who could afford bronze weapons and armor, and a bunch of lightly armed and armored archers, slingers, and skirmishers.

Egypt got the chariot idea from the Hyksos, whom they later defeated using theri own version. Sooooo...other armies could afford the same.

RealSNR 03-20-2025 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004075)
And literal DECADES in which to get it done.

The idea that humans couldn't have built things on that scale is just nutty to me. Of course they could've. The only thing I find particularly impressive is the precision.

But then you look at how Eratosthenes managed to calculate the circumference of the earth within about 100 miles using nothing more than a couple of shadows, a well and some AP Geography level math and you realize that these ****ers were smart.

And they didn't have a lot to do. There weren't doing a lot of doom scrolling to fritter their days away.

Human history is pretty long and there were a whole lot of really bright people mixed in with all the stupid that came along the way. Yeah, they absolutely could've made these calculations and oftentimes did to levels of certainty that are on par with what we're capable of with modern technology.

I saw a clip from some stupid Ancient Aliens type show as I was flipping through the channels. I heard the narrator say, "How did these ancient civilizations of the Ganges construct such impressive structures without an understanding of advanced mathematics and engineering?"

Uhh... they used advanced mathematics and engineering. In fact, they probably invented/developed several of the concepts independently.

htismaqe 03-20-2025 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18004190)
You don't know what they looked like thousands of years ago. The technology could have crumbled into dust, or been beamed into space.

If they had technology so far superior to humans that they could magically build the pyramids, do you think they would have built them in a way that left doubt as to who created them? Do you honestly believe there's some advanced alien race out there that would build structures for ants and not take credit for them? You're a sci Fi fan. You of all people should know that Stargate is entertainment and nothing more.

ThaVirus 03-20-2025 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18003793)
You would be surprised what you can do with 100,000 slaves and whips

They don’t believe slaves had anything to do with construction of the great pyramids anymore, FYI. It was built by free men during the agricultural offseason. Apparently they’ve got writings about how they were paid with food, beer, etc.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004141)
Which was just comically arrogant of us.

Exceptionally intelligent people have always existed. And as a fairly firm believer in the 'great man' theory, I do think most moments that shape humanity came about as a result of just a handful of brilliant people who were in the right place at the right time.

I mean agrarian society is one that I point to a lot. You look at certain grasses/wheats and they have drought protection mechanisms that mean only 1 in 5 or so seeds actually germinate in a year. They didn't know that then.

So they have 100 people in their village and they plant enough wheat seeds for 100 of them....20% of those germinate and half the village starves to death.

In most cases that probably ended things. They went back to hunting and gathering.

At some point then there was one guy who said "Nah, we're gonna try this again..." and they powered through and made it work. And suddenly agriculture was born.

There has always been brilliance in the world. Doggedness. Industriousness. And there's always been lazy and/or simply mediocre and forgettable.

Why should we have EVER believed that there weren't people who were absolutely as innately intelligent as anyone we have on the planet today. And as such would have problem-solving skills that rival anything we see in modern times. They use the tools at their disposal but as brilliant people they could make those tools do some pretty remarkable things.

Has nothing to do with ingenuity but I always think about the poor bastards who shit their brains out for a lifetime until one of their kids randomly developed the lactose tolerance mutation.

Now I can enjoy ice cream and pizza with no issues.. thank you, determined ancestor!

ThrobProng 03-20-2025 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18004190)
You don't know what they looked like thousands of years ago. The technology could have crumbled into dust, or been beamed into space.

Actually we have a pretty good idea what they looked like when they were new. No alien tech required.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2025 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004200)
If they had technology so far superior to humans that they could magically build the pyramids, do you think they would have built them in a way that left doubt as to who created them? Do you honestly believe there's some advanced alien race out there that would build structures for ants and not take credit for them? You're a sci Fi fan. You of all people should know that Stargate is entertainment and nothing more.

Our alien overlords work in mysterious ways, brother.

And while there may be doubt in your mind, there is no doubt in mine.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004179)
There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

" In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle"...that's basically what I said about the people 2500 years earlier. Cram nearly the entire region's population into an area just off the Nile and inland to Giza and it would be a miracle if you avoided significant water-borne disease and starvation over the time frame it would take to complete the pyramids.

"Aliens aren't real" - where did I mention that?

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004179)
There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

We're in a time where mankind has progressed in a linear fashion for literally centuries.

That is absolutely unprecedented in human history.

Mankind has operated in fits and starts for eons. It hasn't gone inexorably forward -- it's gone forward, collapsed, risen from the ashes slightly better than it started, moved forward again. Both on micro and macro levels; mankind writ large as well as individual societies dominating geographic regions.

Even through the 1500s it was common for explorers to find fallen civilizations that were far more advanced than anything they knew could exist.

Why do you think the Flood narrative exists and existed BEFORE Christianity? These folks found collapsed civilizations and figured "well hell, something wild must have happened..." That same story or some variation of same exists in essentially every culture.

We just operate through such a limited lens these days. We are so used to the idea that societies are linear that the idea that there were societies using advanced mathematics and complex tools thousands of years ago is simply not under consideration. "It must have been Aliens!" is little more than arrogance on our part, IMO.

htismaqe 03-20-2025 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004207)
" In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle"...that's basically what I said about the people 2500 years earlier. Cram nearly the entire region's population into an area just off the Nile and inland to Giza and it would be a miracle if you avoided significant water-borne disease and starvation over the time frame it would take to complete the pyramids.

"Aliens aren't real" - where did I mention that?

And yet the pyramids are there. If you don't believe the Egyptians built them and you don't believe aliens built them, who did?

htismaqe 03-20-2025 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004211)
We're in a time where mankind has progressed in a linear fashion for literally centuries.

That is absolutely unprecedented in human history.

Mankind has operated in fits and starts for eons. It hasn't gone inexorably forward -- it's gone forward, collapsed, risen from the ashes slightly better than it started, moved forward again. Both on micro and macro levels; mankind writ large as well as individual societies dominating geographic regions.

Even through the 1500s it was common for explorers to find fallen civilizations that were far more advanced than anything they knew could exist.

Why do you think the Flood narrative exists and existed BEFORE Christianity? These folks found collapsed civilizations and figured "well hell, something wild must have happened..." That same story or some variation of same exists in essentially every culture.

We just operate through such a limited lens these days. We are so used to the idea that societies are linear that the idea that there were societies using advanced mathematics and complex tools thousands of years ago is simply not under consideration. "It must have been Aliens!" is little more than arrogance on our part, IMO.

Even primitive people (by modern standards, when judged against the Greek and Romans) had astounding understandings of the natural world. Ancient Celts and Teutons built burial chambers that were perfect aligned with the passage of time, so that months, years, and even centuries later, the sun would shine through a pinhole and illuminate the buried body inside.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004216)
Even primitive people (by modern standards, when judged against the Greek and Romans) had astounding understandings of the natural world. Ancient Celts and Teutons built burial chambers that were perfect aligned with the passage of time, so that months, years, and even centuries later, the sun would shine through a pinhole and illuminate the buried body inside.

And I also think we fail to adequately differentiate between extremely smart and genuinely brilliant.

I would say that someone in the top 20% of the population in terms of raw intelligence is closer to the bottom 25% than he is the top 5% if you were to 'score' that intelligence.

It's kinda like the richter scale -- the difference between a 2 (barely felt) and a 6 (moderately damaging) is nowhere NEAR the difference betwen a 7 (powerful, 4 billion lbs of TNT) and an 8 (cataclysmic; 123 billion lbs of TNT).

When we're talking about thousands of years people, that's a long time for several of those truly staggeringly intelligent people to pop up. And when they do, the world changes.

And when they're gone, it goes backwards (often because we lacked the means of memorializing what they knew). Until the next wave builds out of it, another brilliant person comes along and the cycle begins anew.

But finding the smartest guy on CP isn't going to find the guy that re-set society and started moving it forward in antiquity. Because you're talking richter scale level gaps between that guy and historically brilliant.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004212)
And yet the pyramids are there. If you don't believe the Egyptians built them and you don't believe aliens built them, who did?

Well, I just explained it- I said explicitly that I don't believe the Egyptians of that time frame built it, but people of a past, more capable civilzation built it, people that built many incredible structures in the Mediterranean area, maybe beginning with Gobekli and Karahun Tepi.

htismaqe 03-20-2025 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004225)
Well, I just explained it- I said explicitly that I don't believe the Egyptians of that time frame built it, but people of a past, more capable civilzation built it, people that built many incredible structures in the Mediterranean area, maybe beginning with Gobekli and Karahun Tepi.

That's fair. It's at least plausible.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:22 AM

"finding the smartest guy on CP isn't going to find the guy that re-set society..."

Finding the smartest guy on CP will barely get you a cleared drain or a water heater that will stay lit.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004225)
Well, I just explained it- I said explicitly that I don't believe the Egyptians of that time frame built it, but people of a past, more capable civilzation built it, people that built many incredible structures in the Mediterranean area, maybe beginning with Gobekli and Karahun Tepi.

It's gonna be funny if one of these days we find out that radio carbon dating is just quack science.

Because man, Gobekli Tepe put the world on its ear. NOBODY saw anything that old being that advanced.

(Because again, we seem to think that everyone back in pre-recorded history was stupid or something. I guess that'll happen when we keep saying we descended from Apes...)

ThaVirus 03-20-2025 09:25 AM

Some of y’all never stayed up til 3am to watch an Indian dude build a pool around an underground house on YouTube and it shows

tyreekthefreak 03-20-2025 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004211)
We're in a time where mankind has progressed in a linear fashion for literally centuries.

That is absolutely unprecedented in human history.

Mankind has operated in fits and starts for eons. It hasn't gone inexorably forward -- it's gone forward, collapsed, risen from the ashes slightly better than it started, moved forward again. Both on micro and macro levels; mankind writ large as well as individual societies dominating geographic regions.

Even through the 1500s it was common for explorers to find fallen civilizations that were far more advanced than anything they knew could exist.

Why do you think the Flood narrative exists and existed BEFORE Christianity? These folks found collapsed civilizations and figured "well hell, something wild must have happened..." That same story or some variation of same exists in essentially every culture.

We just operate through such a limited lens these days. We are so used to the idea that societies are linear that the idea that there were societies using advanced mathematics and complex tools thousands of years ago is simply not under consideration. "It must have been Aliens!" is little more than arrogance on our part, IMO.

Nobody has ever found any complex tools at any of these ancient sites. Colossal buildings but never any tooling. Did the tooling just erode away under the sands?

myselff77 03-20-2025 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004075)
Human history is pretty long and there were a whole lot of really bright people mixed in with all the stupid that came along the way. Yeah, they absolutely could've made these calculations and oftentimes did to levels of certainty that are on par with what we're capable of with modern technology.

But what did they do to fix the sluggishness of their servers and keep the bots away? Let's learn from them.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18004227)
That's fair. It's at least plausible.

I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

MIAdragon 03-20-2025 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 18003855)
Heh. I think I watched that same vid on YouTube. You could tell it was bad, especially the guy on the camel.

I’m fascinated with that stuff and it’s a bucket list trip for sure

Was there a few years back. Ancient Egypt was fascinating, modern not so much. Walking through the national museum and being able to touch just about everything was appalling. Our guide kept most of the harassment at bay but its relentless.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2025 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004239)
I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

seamonster 03-20-2025 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 18004236)
Nobody has ever found any complex tools at any of these ancient sites. Colossal buildings but never any tooling. Did the tooling just erode away under the sands?

LOL. That was twelve thousand years ago. Twelve thousand years ago the average human is trying not to starve to death and hunting game with sticks and Egypt was a hundred or so years separated from being a tropical savanna. Doesn't compute in my brain that hunter gatherers infected with parasites and unable to grow crops could build eighteen foot tall stone support columns.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 18004236)
Nobody has ever found any complex tools at any of these ancient sites. Colossal buildings but never any tooling. Did the tooling just erode away under the sands?

Oh I don't think they were using steampunk style tractors or anything, no.

But I think they knew how leverage worked. I think they knew how to attach a thing to another thing to maximize mechanical advantage. I mean something as simply as using a lever to pull a rope through a pully system would technically be the combination of two simple mechanism and therefore make it complex.

Additionally, during the pre-agricultural era, stuff just got left behind. If you came up with something cool and the herd you were hunting moved, you just dropped it in the grass and moved along with it. Then if you die, whatever you learned went with you and certainly in the vastness of wild nobody was stumbling onto that thing again.

I mean something like the Antikythera Mechanism came along and just blew away anything we thought they were capable of using back then. It just managed to survive in a shipwreck until it got stuck in a box somewhere and then decades later someone noticed "hey wait, this thing looks like it might be something more than a hunk of bronze..." Turns out it appears to be some sort of computer and appears to use Greek letters and Egyptian calendars. That's pretty damn impressive.

I think what we don't know about what these societies were capable of far outstrips what we do know.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18004242)
The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

Hears hooves - looks for zebras.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004230)
It's gonna be funny if one of these days we find out that radio carbon dating is just quack science.

Because man, Gobekli Tepe put the world on its ear. NOBODY saw anything that old being that advanced.

(Because again, we seem to think that everyone back in pre-recorded history was stupid or something. I guess that'll happen when we keep saying we descended from Apes...)

Yep...the current "Timeline of Man" will one day look like a 1950s Food Pyramid with it's non-existent understanding of fats, and that eggs will kill you due to cholesterol spikes. Maybe we are getting dumber??

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 18004239)
I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

But that again presumes linear progression, does it not?

I mean you could take someone born in 1200 and drop them into 1700 and they'd be awed by it but I don't think they'd think they were on a different planet.

Take someone from 1800 and drop them into 2000 OTOH...

I don't think it's that farfetched to believe there was some triggering event (again, not hard to imagine if it's only in a single cultural region) that led to very fast development in that part of the world that then fell backwards due to a variety of factors that could be as simple as weather.

ThrobProng 03-20-2025 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18004242)
The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

THAT'S the simplest answer? LMAO

Aliens that can traverse the galaxy come to our nothing planet to assemble a pile of rocks for a bunch of hairless apes? Seems legit.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 18004243)
LOL. That was twelve thousand years ago. Twelve thousand years ago the average human is trying not to starve to death and hunting game with sticks and Egypt was a hundred or so years separated from being a tropical savanna.

Then - like now - the 'average human' meant ****-all in the grand scheme of things.

Nobody gives a shit what the average human was doing back then. Average humans don't drive this stuff.

The question is the human capacity for greatness and I think it existed then as much as it exists now.

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Doesn't compute in my brain that hunter gatherers infected with parasites and unable to grow crops could build eighteen foot tall stone support columns.
I direct you to my comment above.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2025 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 18004265)
THAT'S the simplest answer? LMAO

Aliens that can traverse the galaxy come to our nothing planet to assemble a pile of rocks for a bunch of hairless apes? Seems legit.

They needed a way to navigate from space to check on their science experiment.

Woogieman 03-20-2025 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18004242)
The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

There are a lot more valid questions than valid answers imho. I read "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Wilson & Flem-Ath when it came out in 2000, and it uncovered all (or at least compiled) all the mathematical brilliance/mystery of the Giza pyramids and how they used Fibonacci numbers (long before it was named) and celestial alignment, and their placement in relation to the earth's land mass. I haven't changed my mind a bit in 25 years...humans, if civilzation began with the Sumerians in 4000 bce at the earliest, in no way could pull off the construction of multiple pyramids in the center of the earth's land mass, using near perfect footprints, Orion algnment, the Fibonacci sequence etc. It takes a long time to accumulate that much knowledge...I wonder if we will ever find evidence of the glithed sites where the builders got it wrong and had to scrap the whole damned thing and start over!

htismaqe 03-20-2025 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004230)
It's gonna be funny if one of these days we find out that radio carbon dating is just quack science.

Because man, Gobekli Tepe put the world on its ear. NOBODY saw anything that old being that advanced.

(Because again, we seem to think that everyone back in pre-recorded history was stupid or something. I guess that'll happen when we keep saying we descended from Apes...)

Radio carbon dating is actually not as valuable as we think it is. It's not straight up quack science but it was any solid science either.


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