A message to those who like to bitch, moan, and argue.
 

I'm not singling out anyone, so I don't want to hear the either.

I am not here to intervene in 3rd-grade playground tussles. I am not here to act as a go-btween when you can't get along with the other moderators.

From this point forward, all disputes will be moved to the "Petty Board Disputes" forum.

If you feel the need to start fights, do it there. Any more griefing or bickering in the main forum will result in a warning. The second offense will result in being either temporarily or permanently banned.

It is one month before the draft, free agency is in full swing, and OUR COUNTRYMEN ARE HALFWAY ACROSS THE WORLD GETTING SHOT AT.

Grow up and use this board for what it was intended - entertainment.

Thank you. I support your efforts in the fullest. :toast:

I must have really missed one over the weekend.:eek:

And to think, I could have been at home watching some melodrama unfold on the Planet instead of camping and Grand Lake.
Teach me to keep my priorities straight. :rolleyes:

Parker.......... I fully understand what your saying. That being said if you were on last night, and moved the threads where people were fighting, bickering, and so on there would have been No traffic on the main BB. JMO :D

Parker's a big dummy head ...

:p

MM
~~Just testing the waters

I appreciate the attempts at humor, but I'm dead serious about this guys.

I tell alot of people about this place, including (now) some family members that are huge Chiefs' fans.

I don't want them to come here and see this.

Sounds good, even though I missed most of the weekend, which is probably when all the feuding took place

I agree with ya 100% that things have gotten ridiculous around here lately. I don't post as much simply because of all the bitching ... well, that and I'm actually trying to get work done.

Speaking of which ...

MM
~~Has to go now

We understand what your saying, it's a tough position. On the other hand football has been kinda slow since the Hugh fiasco........With this many posters and the war and politic's your gonna have disagreements. It's the personal attacks because people won't or can't put someone in cyber space on iggie, I believe your refering too........

Yeah.........Way to show for the draft.........jeez.....

:toast:

Doh!!! :huh:

Sorry myself for standing ya up. but I had to put my kids first. Mr. Mom here, forgot he promised a visit to the park yesterday.

No more bitching and moaning? I thought that is what this place is for.

No doubt....... The kids are always more important....With the weather getting nicer I'll be spending much less time on the planet.......

Instead of Petty board...
 

Can we dub it...

MeMeMeRecountErnieConwell...

Re: Instead of Petty board...
 

On that count......... Can you make the PBD the only page they can access............:D

Uhh, isn't this why there is an IGNORE feature?! Christ, get off your "I am not going to use ignore because I value everyone's opinion (even if it pisses me off to the point that I rant and spout and spam)" high horse and utilize the technology! :grr:

I am not sure what this is all about but debating is arguing and if we are all supposed to get along all the time this rule would suck.


BIG DADDY

Not a big fan of rules in general.

But, but, but.......he started it. :D

Like BD said, It should be a rule that there are no rules.

Most of this is directed to a select few......... If you think about it or check the petty board, the name won't surprise you.......

the purpose of the board is really the issue, isn't t? and phobia has always let the board determine that by itself...

that's really what has made chiefs planet unique and so very strong...

it's democracy in action...

and like democracy, it can be messy at times... and even unpleasant... and, on occasion, even offensive...

but when it gets too far over the line, that's when the police (moderators) come into play...

phobia understands the difference between moderating and censorship...

autin chief seems to have a very good grasp of the difference...

that understanding and the ability to function in a truly democratic and largly self-limiting and self-policing environment is the primary reason that the planet is so very successful and so wildly popular, imo...

now, not everybody likes that...

now, some would prefer to turn back the clock...

some might be called "reactionaries"... or "old fashioned"... or perhaps just "nostalgic", longing for simpler, cleaner times when folks were always polite and always behaved and always agreed with the man in authority just because he was the man...

is that the planet we want? the planet of harry and ike? the planet of mccarthy and tricky dick? the planet of quiet civility and mild humor? the planet or order & stability?

or do we want the planet of geedubya? the planet of bitiing wit? the planet of controversey and strongly held opinions? the planet of spirited debate and taco, recount, mememe, ernie, t-post tom, go bo and assorted other ass holes that keep you awake and/or piss you off?

if some would like a family atmosphere, let them create a family forum... or a family board... the planet is the planet... it may have been something else at one time, but it isn't whatever this guy wants it to be now...

i may get banned for this, but if the planet is gonna be some tame wussy place liike this guy wants, i might as well get booted now 'cause i'll die of boredom anyway...

:eek: :grr: :huh: :rolleyes: :doh!: :Peace: ZZZ :Pimp: :o)


p.s. if i'm one of the "select few", i wish someone would just go ahead and "name" me... the suspense is killing me...

I thought this might have been a thread about my old lady...

Title sure fits.

Glad this isn't about me, people love me here.

I'm a lovable bastard.

If we can't bitch,moan,and argue...can we still rant ,rave,and stomp our feet?:D

j/k

This is NOT a family BB, this is a BB that was created for Chief's fans. Chief's fans, by nature, cover a WIDE and different range of people, and so, by nature, will often have differences of opinion.

If people are arguing JUST for the sake of arguing, that is one thing. But if people are having a heated political debate or are engaged in a heated discussion about how the Chiefs should handle a certain situation, then they SHOULD be able to do that. Period.

If you don't like the thread, don't click on it!

If you don't like a certain person, that is what the IGNORE function is for!


I am mostly a reader of Chiefs Planet, but occasionally a poster, but one thing is very clear to me . . . .

there are a lot of people that need to "grow up".

LVNHACK wrote:I realize that but IMO I think this post should have been A LOT more specific. The way it looks now we should just change the name of the BB to Parkersplanet where nobody ever argues and gives the next guy the ol reach around because of what he doesn't want his family to see. That to me is assinine and self serving. The entire point of having a BB is to debate and discuss different viewpoints on everything from football to politics with an obvious slant twords our beloved chiefs. Considering every subject has a diferent viewpoint and those viewpoints are discussed here, things are going to get heated from time to time. (Actually those can be some of the most entertaining discussions.)
For everyone to have to live in fear now of Parker removing them from the BB for arguing would destroy the entire BB IMO. I truly hope Parker removes this thread and comes up with something much more specific or better yet just drop the whole thing as I feel more rules will only make our Planet a less enjoyable experience.

BIG DADDY

Not picking a fight just stating the obvious.

I bitch enough. I moan enough...and doggone it...people like to argue with me.

WE DO NOT!!!:grr: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

looks like i missed the big drama :clap: :clap:




glad i did

Parker, IMO got fed up with a fool this am. I can't say that I blame him. ...... I think his post is refering the to the fool. I know if I was a MOD, I wouldn't want everyone who doesn't like what someone says or what another MOD does, pulling me into it, semding smokes/emails........ Hell if your not adault enough to handle your bussiness I would suggest you find another place to post......... This poster repeatedly is dragging up old BULLSHIT.........I too would be sick of dealing with his lame ass.....

:toast:

Couldn't agree more. Also there is a thing called ignore. ;)

:redface: :huh: :banghead:

I know I missed the draft too...I'm sorry. Spent the week at Walt Disney World. :D

Thought about this one most of the morning. I can see where this is coming from based upon some of the major stuff that has happened. But to say "ALL DISPUTES" will be moved and people warned/banned? Where exactly is the line going to be drawn? There aren't very many posts on the planet where there is not some disputing with ideas. Whenever people interact with each other you are going to have disagreements. If they continue to discourse on that stubject, it could be defined by some as a dispute.

There is a need for Moderation - people do get carried away and cross lines. Problem is though, it is a fine line that can turn into censorship if one is not carefull. Not sure but I have gathered from what I've read, wasn't one of the reasons the Planet was created to give people a place where there weren't all the rules and restrictions that the Star BB was placing on them?

I love the Planet and the Mods do a great job. I just see a red flag with such a policy going into place.

Some of you just don't get it, do you?

No, go bo, I wasn't speaking about you, but you just had to go on some kind of idealistic tirade anyway, didn't you? And Big_Daddy, you should know better, I keep the "ban Big_Daddy" button in my Favorites. ;)

Instead of just reading what I wrote and seeing the logic in it, you decided to attack me, and accuse me of censorship?

I'm not saying everyone has to think alike, or even that all people need to agree or "get along".

I'm talking about the "meet me in the parking lot after work" attitude that has once again reared it's head here.

See, there's this little thing we created called the IGNORE function, and I'm suggesting that people use it.

But let me spell it out a little bit better so that people can understand what I'm talking about:

I've gotten SEVERAL private messages over the past few weeks asking me to INTERCEDE on the part of a user because they can't get along with other MODS.

I won't do this.

I've seen SEVERAL instances in the past few days where certain people, who are for very good reasons are unpopular, have had RELEVANT threads hijacked.

If you don't like what someone else is saying, put them on IGNORE or leave them alone. It's that simple.

And if you're having trouble with one of us mods, you better realize that there's a VERY GOOD reason, because the mods here are more than fair for all of the shit they put up with.

Sorry I wasn't more specific before.

This is not a POLICY. This is, as it always has been, at mine (or Phobia's, or Luz') discretion.

I just wanted to give everyone fair warning that I'm fed up with the bullshit.

This is not about disagreements, this is about PERSONAL arguments that people need to settle off of this board.

I don't care if my "family" sees political discussions, nudie threads, or whatever on here. That IS what makes this place interesting.

Also there is the ignore button. It's just that simple.

I kind of figured that was the case Parker I just wanted you to be more specific. BTW I wasn't attacking you, that was just BD's way of asking for a clarification. :p

htismaqe,

It appears you were typing your post as I was typing mine.:)

That clears up most of my concerns. Thanks for the clarification there.

AMEN. And we (meaning Kyle) even went one step further and created a Petty Disputes board specifically for this kind of crap.

USE IT!

:D

Paker......... You need to change the title of this thread........

It should read....... For those who picture appears next to the dictionary term fuggtard........

I changed the topic header, just because Big_Daddy requested it.

:p

I like my title better.........:evil: :evil: :evil:

Outstanding Parker!!! Just to clarify further can I still call sofeist sofistme? What about calling Luzcap Luzcrap? That guy shouldn't have any authority.

BIG DADDY

Getting the childish behavior out of his system. :cuss:

:spock:


4321


Thanks Luz does a fine job
IMHO

It's all cools BD, but you know, it's actually LUZAP...there's no "C"...

And he's a really nice guy...

Me too. What happened?

Nothing really........... Some people just can't get things through there head.......

Parker-

Taking a great leap of faith:rolleyes:, I will assume that I am one of the "unnamed few" that are being referenced in your post.:shrug:

I will be the first to say that I agree completely with the strategy to move these disputes to the petty disputes board. Hell, that is what you said you were going to do in the first place.

Why do you think I hijacked each and every thread that JD started? The whole purpose was to get the thread over to petty disputes. I didn't care if it was "RELEVENT" or not. Why? Because in my heart of hearts, I honestly believe that JD has some pretty severe mental problems.

There are a lot of folks on the Planet because JD got cozy with them on other sites, turned on them and then harassed them to no end for no apparent reason. Part of the Planet's appeal for these people was that it was a JD free zone. The Panet is a growing community, and as a growing community there is a constant influx of new posters, many of whom have no idea of his past. I think it would be pretty crappy for those people if JD blindsides them with his old tactics.

I was more than willing to completely ignore JD provided that he ignored me. I completely stayed out of the JD fray until he revealed his true colors once again. Once he did that, however, I didn't stop. I knew if I kept it up, he'd revert to his old tactics once again.

He didn't disappoint me.

To be quite honest, I don't give a rat's ass about JD one way or another simply because I'm careful to protect my anonymity on the internet and don't think he could do anything to me if he wanted to. Other people, however, may open up to him unknowingly giving him info that he can use against them if they ever cross him.

My sole purpose of highjacking his threads was to show that he hadn't changed one bit. I knew this whole "civil JD" thing was a ruse, and quite frankly, I thought he would keep the charade up at least another couple of weeks.

I haven't had any problems with any of the other posters on this board before, and I think that is pretty evident. I simply have no idea why you think it is a good idea to let JD post here given his past history. If people want to be buddy-buddy with him, fine. Let them put themselves at risk to his tactics on other Chiefs sites such as the Star or his own site. I just think it is foolish for you to allow the Planet to be an accomplice in his schemes.

A lot of people don't want him here. I've been one of the most vocal people on this issue, and one of the most proactive in that pursuit by highjacking his threads.

I don't apologize for that.

Parker wrote:I am sure he is, my issue with him goes back to the girly thread when he seagull posted a bunch of BS and wanted to remove it irregarless of how many people wanted it and refused to engage me. He just wanted to use his power as a moderator. Later on down the road he posts a thread to rant about me and ask me to remove his name from my avatar which I did immediatly. He then refused to engage me once again. To me someone who would use their power over what was a huge majority of people that wanted it and didn't even have enough game to discuss it is weak beyond weak. Even Thomas will engage you occasionally. Then to post his problems with me and refuse to engage again being a moderator means this guy has no business having any power over anyone ever. This doesn't make him a bad guy mind you just a very weak one. If you say he is anice guy I totally believe you but there are a lot of nice guys I wouldn't give any power to. With that I will let dead dogs lie.

John wrote:Oh yea, OH YEA!!!! http://216.40.249.192/s/otn/funny/moon.gif


BIG DADDY

Continuing with his childish behavior.

BD,

Why would he want to engage you? You're a friggin hothead! :D

FE,

Check your smoke signals.

Re: A message to those who like to bitch, moan, and argue.
 

I'll respond to the post because I am the one that asked for some kind of help. My smoke signals have been turned off because of a "petty arguement" between Phobia and me.

You may say that you aren't singling out anyone, but I seem to feel diferently about it. I asked for an email so we could communicate without waiting between posts. This could all be cleared up with a 3 minute phone call. I will call, or you can call. Send the email and I'll provide my number if you don't me to have yours.

I would like to note that over the past 3 months I have not even mentioned the "real fan" to Mr. Moderator #1 (Kloster) and he is still pissed about it.

For the rest of the Board. If I have sent you a smoke signal, ever, that was harassment, please let me know about it. That is what I've been accused of. I have sent smokes to the moderaters, Kloster in particular with an ongoing argument.

Freedom of Speech? On the planet.....YES, only if the mods don't get pissed off at you.

Quit being so sensitive dude, it's not all about you no matter what you think.


Parker,

Me, a hothead? http://mindscraps.com/s/contrib/ruinkai/rolleyea.gif

Actually that won't work either as I had yet to have an issue with anyone at that time if my memory serves me right. BTW, I emptied my mailbox.

BIG DADDY

With one more childish gesture. http://www.rocketsky.net/~mysmilies/otn/angry/tdo3.gif

This wasn't an issue until I asked for a one on one conversation with one, or more, of the moderators.

:clap: I totally agree. And let me just say that I really appreciate you and the other mods continuing to be fair, even tho you not only have all that shit to put up with, but you do it on your own time. You guys handle these situations really well, and I'm just sorry that there have been SO MANY of these situations in the last few months or so!

GODDAMNIT, Tom why don't you give this bullshit a friggin rest........ You are your own worst enemy......... Act your friggin age or go the fugg away..........

Being a 'Mod' is not something that denotes any kind of worthwhile power. I don't believe any of the Moderators here are small minded enough or have such a low self esteem that the title would rank high on a list of life's accomplishments :D

However, it is reasonable to want to know how and on what basis a Moderator approaches his responsibilities on this BB. Therefor, I will add the following to what htismaqe has already said...

The BB is not a democracy. I don't want to speak for the other two, but I think it is safe to say that we all generally feel like the less we need to intervene the better, even in situations that might personally involve us.

IMO, it would be impossible to list a comprehensive guideline of correct behavior ~ this is why it is left up to the discression of the Moderators. Consider it a benign dictatorship and you will come closer to a real understanding. If you enjoy playing here, then by all means do so. If not, then no one is forcing you to stay. If the direction of the BB (and the activity of the Moderators) is going according to Kyle's vision then there will be no changes. If not, then I am sure Kyle will change the Moderator(s).

None of us will ever understand everyone else, and unfortunately, personalities and ideologies will sometimes clash. All in all however, I think the Planet is a great place to be and I hope all of you feel the same.

Luz
hopefully providing a service...

Well said, Luz. I do disagree with one small portion, though. I believe that Kyle's vision is to make this community as much a democracy as is realistic. Hence the suggestions for improvements, the polls to ban unwanted members of the community, etc.

Phobia,

Agreed.

It is a technical difference perhaps, but that is certainly the 'benign' part of the equation.

Luz
thinking we're saying much the same thing...

Very well said, Luzap! The moderators here do a terrific job! :toast:

I knew we were on the same page, I just wanted to clarify that for anybody who may have taken your "benign dictatorship" statement too literally.

Luzcrap,

So what he is basically saying is we have no say and he can do what he wants in the most polite manner possible. Basically, he is giving the Planet a giant http://smilies.crowd9.com/otn/funny/lew.gif To me Luz you have always been weak and have no business having any discretion over anything.

Hope none of the mods come to a sudden stop ...
 

You got a little something on your nose ...

MM
~~:p

Seems like this thread needs to be moved to the Petty Board Disputes Forum. :D


MM,
That was just wrong. :huh: Very funny, though. ;)

Re: Hope none of the mods come to a sudden stop ...
 

I'm a smart girl ;)

Seriously tho, there seems to have been an epidemic of this sort of thing lately...

I just call 'em like I see 'em ...

MM
~~Glad JazzzLovr got the joke

Re: Re: Hope none of the mods come to a sudden stop ...
 

It's the off season.......... the weather up until the last week or so has sucked.........It'll get better........ That sight help you any ???????

Re: Re: Hope none of the mods come to a sudden stop ...
 

I agree.

I think people are testy because:

1. The war
b. No Chiefs news
iii. the history some folks have with each other

At least that's my professional opinion. ;)

I think once a post or thread gets uber-personal (i.e. a thread dedicated to calling someone out) then it should be moved ASAP.

MM
~~Thinks there's a limit

Re: Re: Re: Hope none of the mods come to a sudden stop ...
 

Still checking it out, but yeah, looks like it will be helpful. Also passed it along to a friend who's looking for an IT job. Thanks again!

For the record BD thinks the other two moderators rock. :toast: even that bastage that banned me for like 10 minutes once. :cuss: ;)

Hstimage, just exactly who does Fat Elvis think he is?
 

Some sort of internet police? I'm responding to you & talking to FE at the same time, in hopes that this won't be bumped down to the Petty Board Disputes. What I'm trying to do is make another attempt to clarify my position.

FE is implying that he's trying to save Chiefs Planet & its members from the evil JD. A JD that makes phone calls in the we hours of the morning & calls people's places of work. I'm not admitting to any of those allegations. But I will say if anybody has had to deal with that in the past, then IMO & in the opinion of my group, they more than deserved it. He is claiming that that he kept at me until my "true colors' showed. This is another ridiculous statement by a most ridiculous man. If somebody keeps at you constantly, OF COURSE you're going to lose your temper. I am a very strong & proud person. I'm not going to let an individual who spends every waking hour of the night & day on the internet try to make a fool of me. If that's not enough, he was also one of the people who were in the ear of my old internet server, Bravenet. And it has been told to me that he was either directly responsible or closely aligned with people who brought down a BB that we worked very hard on. Unfortunately, another board had to suffer the same fate because of his actions, but we won't go into that.

What we will go into is that this thing is starting to sound more & more like Romper Room every day. I posted to FE on the petty Board Disputes & tried to be civil with him. I told him that I was looking for a solution to the problems & that we didn't have to like eachother but that we could still coexist. I've encountered a lot of good fans since I've been here, like you Hstimage. It's unfortunate that there is another group that thinks they are omniscient. An example would be my post early this morning about Sadaam Hussein. Not everyone is perfect, Hstimage. And I think it's PATHETIC how some of these people portray themselves as snobby geniuses that you DARE NOT make a grammatical error or any other type of mistake like that in their presence. These people need to get a clue or need a good crack. They're so confused they don't know if they want to play the role of internet terrorist or intellect extrordinare. Even though it won't be from me, I'm sure one day they'll get a little too snotty with someone in their day to day endeavors, & then heaven help them.

FE knows nothing about the start of my journey on the internet. He only knows up to the last 2 years of it when Chiefs Planet got involved. I'm not trying to get close to any of these members to then start harrassing them out of a clear blue sky. I have 40 people that will put together a letter or a post for you & tell you how much they enjoy my forum & how they've been treated by my wife & me for the last 3+ years.

The whole problem is Hstimage, that FE & people like him think they're gonna step up & do something to get rid of me. That will never happen. I've come to Chiefs Planet to put the past behind & I knew my journey would be rocky. But my intentions are pure. I wanted to enjoy the nonfootball topics as well as Chiefs related issues on one of the largest Chiefs BBS on the internet. I'm not trying to knock the Planet, because I do enjoy it or I would not be here. But I don't think it's a hardcore ALL FOOTBALL forum. I think the reason for that is obvious - too many non-Chiefs related topics. Be that as it may, it's still a very successful project & I'm sure Kyle is very proud of what he's built, just as I am proud of what I've built. I would like to move on with Fat Elvis, & I think I stated that clearly in my post. He claims that he can do anything he wants because he has anonymity. Well I hate to break it to him, but he won't enjoy his anonymity for long. I plan to be civil with him & maybe even burying the hatchet if time will allow all wounds to heal. But if he continues his attacks, I will have no other alternative than to strike back in a most effective fashion. I'm never going to win a popularity contest here. But there already are enough people who would just as soon stay out of my way rather than start insulting my family & me & risk reprisals.

Thank you for the opportunity to post, Hstimage. I won't respond to any replies to this because if I do, we'll be arguing until as I like to say "the cows come home". I'm a success in most everything I do, Hstimage. I don't want anyone feeling bad for me or claiming that I'm picked on. I can handle myslef just fine. It's the others that need to look in the mirror & reevaluate who exactly they are. I'd like to go onto say that I think that bumping all negative posts to the Petty Board Disputes is a good idea for the most part. The only problem is, & that's JD Prez aside, is that you're going to have quite a busy place over there. Good luck to you.

And with that, I'm moving this thread...

Wel it should die a quick death over here. http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/anym/behead.gif

BD, where are you getting those smilies? They're pretty funny.

Here you go girl. Have fun. http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/co...owen/smoke.gif

I'll figure it out later. Thanks BD!

Excellent, BD. :thumb:

Thanks BD

You morons! He gave the link just for me!!! :cuss:


j/k ROFL

That used to be "Crack Whore Smilies" didn't it?

MM
~~Wondered where that went