Shannon Sharpe vs. Tony Gonzalez career stats.
 

Shannon Sharpe
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1329



Tony Gonzalez
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12400

I'mhavingdifficultyreadingthesefigures.

I haven't had to read hex in a while...care to translate?

I agree. I fixed it.

So TG is a wee bit over half of Sharpes numbers at the half way point in his career. Let's see if TG can stay healthy. He's primed to try and get to the spot.

So, the debate begins...

Sharpe:
14 years - 202 games (avg 14.4 games year)
815 rec / 10,060 yds / 12.3 ypc / 62 TDs

3 - 1,000 yd+ seasons
8 - Pro Bowls
3 - Rings
Top 50 All-time Receivers
#9 - receptions
#21 - receiving yards
#45t - receiving TDs

Gonzo:
7 years - 110 games (avg 15.7 games year)
468 rec / 5,646 yds / 12.1 ypc / 47 TDs

1 - 1,000 yd+ season
5 - Pro Bowls
0 - Rings
Top 50 All-time Receivers
none

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Comparing their first 7 seasons, Gonzo has the edge ... which is expected considering when they were drafted and put into the game.

This is the time when injuries must be avoided for Gonzo if he is to surpass Sharpe in these statistical categories. If that happens, I have no issues with it. Records get broken.

If Gonzo plays another 7 years, he needs to average the following in order to surpass Sharpe:

Receptions - 50 per year for 7 years. On his current pace, that could very well happen, barring injuries.

Receiving Yards - 630 yds per year for 7 years. Again, that could very well happen.

TDs - Gonzo is 15 away and that will happen within the next 2-3 years.

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So, there you go. Right now, it's key for Gonzo to avoid injuries. He's only missed 2 career starts and he has been the leading receiver on the team for years... that's a heavy load he's carrying. So, the key now is for the team to take the pressure off Gonzo if he is to play at that level for another 7 years.

The only thing I can guarantee (barring injury), is that Gonzalez will surpass Sharpe in Pro Bowls.

Without looking I would say the Sharpe missed a little less than one whole season in his career. Another stat, although not the most telling, is playoff wins. We know how many TG has....Sharpe is like 12-6 or something like that.

If he stays healthy, he'll not only surpass Sharpe's accomplisnments, he'll blow them away.

Those three rigns are really impressive

It's possible...but not probable

The Pro Bowl thing has really lost something the last few years - it's really a popularity contest. Not to mention, there's not a whole lot of competition at that position - really hasn't been since the days that Coates, Sharpe and Gonzo would garner the rights to go.

That's not to say that Gonzo hasn't deserved to go, he has ... but there has been a lack of quality Pro Bowl TEs the last decade in the AFC. It's been a 2-3 player race.

I think it's odd to count playoff wins for a player... even a QB, that should be more of a team thing. I really can't validate comparing playoff wins between TEs. It's like comparing playoff wins for Left Tackles or something. The comparison flies with QBs ... possibly RBs, but that's about it.

Agreed. Sapp doesn't put up the numbers to make it but he is a media darling.

I know there's more, I just can't think of them right now.

As much as I couldn't stand him because he was a Donk and had a mouth that wouldn't quit he was one hell of a FB player.

In two seasons he'll pass him on the TD mark.

Then why did you list Super Bowl rings when you listed their career stats? :hmmm:

Like I said...not the most telling stat, but it does show contribution to the desired result. TG put in the contribution but he's not getting the results.

If he stays healthy it's BOTH possible and probable. Please explain how it is not. Being a DONX fan and not wanting to accept such things is not a good reason... ;)

Playoff wins is more granular than SB wins... if you want to remove Pro Bowls and Super Bowls from the stats, feel free.

Stats broken down

Sharpe 7th round pick

3.99 catches pg
49.3 yards pg
.3 touchdowns pg
.67 20+ pg
2.31 first downs pg
17 40+
15.4 yards per catch highest

Started only two seasons all 16 games.
Started only 11 games but played in all 16 in first 2 years.

Gonzo 1st round pick

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 fdpg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Played but not start all 16 games rookie year.
Has started 95 straight games since.
Has led his team in receiving 3 times in 99,01,03 (yards)

I do see Gonzo breaking the records. He is more consistent then Sharpe.

Some thing that have caught my eye is Sharpe has a better avg catching 20+ and even better 40+ catches then Gonzo. But Sharpe does not catch that many TD catches.

Tony's best is still ahead of him, I think. If he remains healthy, his next 4 seasons will go down as the best consecutive string of years ever by a TE in NFL history. I'm talking 1000-1200 yards and 10-15 TDs a season, starting with what I believe will be a monster '04. I think Sharpe's records are safe, however, because I just don't see Gonzalez playing until he's 34 or 35.

Another beauty about stats ... you can crunch them any way you like.

You say he started only two seasons all 16 games. His first few years, he played sparingly which is normal for a 7th round pick. However, there were only 3 seasons where he was active for less than 15 games. He missed 11 games in 99 when he was injured for the season.

You say that Gonzo is more consistent than Sharpe - I think that's rather subjective, when you are comparing 7 years to 14 years. Sharpe got off to a slow start and was hobbled by injuries for a couple of years, but since 1992, he has only dipped below 53 receptions 1 time - when he only played 5 games. And, since 1992, he's been over 60 receptions 11 years in a row.

Another thing that speaks to his consistency:
"One of four players to post 11 50-catch seasons, along with Jerry Rice (16), Andre Reed (13) and Cris Carter (11)."

Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Andre Reed ... and Shannon Sharpe. That is some elite company.

+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| 1990 den | 16 | 7 99 14.1 1 |
| 1991 den | 16 | 22 322 14.6 1 |
| 1992 den | 16 | 53 640 12.1 2 |
| 1993 den | 16 | 81 995 12.3 9 |
| 1994 den | 15 | 87 1010 11.6 4 |
| 1995 den | 13 | 63 756 12.0 4 |
| 1996 den | 15 | 80 1062 13.3 10 |
| 1997 den | 16 | 72 1107 15.4 3 |
| 1998 den | 16 | 64 768 12.0 10 |
| 1999 den | 5 | 23 224 9.7 0 |
| 2000 bal | 15 | 67 810 12.1 5 |
| 2001 bal | 16 | 73 811 11.1 2 |
| 2002 den | 12 | 61 686 11.2 3 |
| 2003 den | 15 | 62 770 12.4 8 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 202 | 815 10060 12.3 62

His TDs are not off the charts and he only led Denver in receiving twice, but that's not the job of the TE is it? Not in Denver or most other cities. Rod Smith has led the team since 1997. Prior to that it was Anthony Miller for a couple of years.

The bottom line is that in the grand scheme of things, it is kinda silly to say one player is the greatest of all times when you're talking about a league that spans the better part of a century.

Sharpe is one of the greatest of all time - without question and barring injury, Gonzo will be there in due time.

Splitting statistical hairs is fun, though.

Couldn't agree more. I hated Sharpe for one reason:

He was a Donkey. If he'd been a Chief, I would be his biggest fan. But he wasn't, so good riddance.

MM
~~:)

Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.

No, I don't want to do that. I just didn't understand your reasoning for including them.

That was my point but Garcia saw it otherwise. Don't really know how except that it might have been a case for only seeing what he wanted to see... :hmmm:

Gonzo's numbers already match up pretty closely with Kellen Winslow's. So a case could be made for the HOF even if he never played another down. Two more typical Gonzo years would make him a lock, IMO.

What Sharpe has done over a career is truely impressive. Glad he is gone.

Another fun way to work stats. Let's see how the next 7 years go.

While we're at it, let's talk about Terrell Davis and how his numbers stack up against the greats that are in the HOF.

TG doesn't have the longevity... only 1 - thousand yard season. Only top 10 in receptions 1 time - top 10 in TDs 3 times. He's been a great player for a short time at this point, he's on pace for total greatness without a doubt.

If Gonzo quit today or was sucked up by a twister... he would not warrant HOF induction.

TEX,

You either compare a total body of work to another total body of work or you quit trying. Just b/c TG has only played 7 years, you can't just say compare those 7 to Sharpe's first 7 or last 7. Hell, why not take the best 7 and see what happens.

Gonzo has been healthy through 7 years and he started early as a rookie - that's great for him. Sharpe did not start early as a rookie and injuries were a factor in a couple of years. So, compare the totals ... not various chapters.

The cases are similar. I think a case can be made for Davis, but he is not a shoe-in, and frankly I don't think he deserves it. Had he two more years of Davisesqe performance, then yeah, he'd be a lock.

For the record, I don't think Davis should get in ... but I could build a case for it. :clap:

I've only been here for 5 years and paid the Chiefs no mind at all before arriving, so I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Gonzalez started as a rookie.

Ok.....exactly when would the current marked be smashed? How many yards? TD's? No question Gonzo will smash that, but you have to wonder if he'll even be a Chief by then.

| 1997 kan | 16 | 33 368 11.2 2 |
| 1998 kan | 16 | 59 621 10.5 2 |
| 1999 kan | 15 | 76 849 11.2 11 |
| 2000 kan | 15 | 93 1203 12.9 9 |
| 2001 kan | 16 | 73 917 12.6 6 |
| 2002 kan | 16 | 63 773 12.3 7 |
| 2003 kan | 16 | 71 915 12.9 10

I shouldn't have implied that he was the main starter... he saw as much action his first year as Sharpe did his first two years.

Here's the current Hall of Fame Tight Ends.

Modern Era: Tight Ends (6)

Dave Casper 1974-1984
Mike Ditka 1961-1972
John Mackey 1963-1972 Ozzie Newsome 1978-1990
Jackie Smith 1963-1978
Kellen Winslow 1979-1987


I threw TC in here as well.

Dave Casper 5 time PB

1974 oak | 14 | 4 26 6.5 3 |
| 1975 oak | 14 | 5 71 14.2 1 |
| 1976 oak | 13 | 53 691 13.0 10 |
| 1977 oak | 14 | 48 584 12.2 6 |
| 1978 oak | 16 | 62 852 13.7 9 |
| 1979 oak | 15 | 57 771 13.5 3 |
| 1980 hou | 10 | 34 526 15.5 3 |
| 1980 oak | 6 | 22 270 12.3 1 |
| 1981 hou | 16 | 33 572 17.3 8 |
| 1982 hou | 9 | 36 573 15.9 6 |
| 1983 min | 10 | 13 172 13.2 0 |
| 1983 hou | 3 | 7 79 11.3 0 |
| 1984 rai | 7 | 4 29 7.2 2 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 147 | 378 5216 13.8 52 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+



MIke Ditka 5 time PB

1961 chi | 14 | 56 1076 19.2 12 |
| 1962 chi | 14 | 58 904 15.6 5 |
| 1963 chi | 14 | 59 794 13.5 8 |
| 1964 chi | 14 | 75 897 12.0 5 |
| 1965 chi | 14 | 36 454 12.6 2 |
| 1966 chi | 14 | 32 378 11.8 2 |
| 1967 phi | 9 | 26 274 10.5 2 |
| 1968 phi | 11 | 13 111 8.5 2 |
| 1969 dal | 12 | 17 268 15.8 3 |
| 1970 dal | 14 | 8 98 12.2 0 |
| 1971 dal | 14 | 30 360 12.0 1 |
| 1972 dal | 14 | 17 198 11.6 1 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 158 | 427 5812 13.6 43

Todd Christensen 5 time PB

1979 nyg | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1979 oak | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1980 oak | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1981 oak | 16 | 8 115 14.4 2 |
| 1982 rai | 9 | 42 510 12.1 4 |
| 1983 rai | 16 | 92 1247 13.6 12 |
| 1984 rai | 16 | 80 1007 12.6 7 |
| 1985 rai | 16 | 82 987 12.0 6 |
| 1986 rai | 16 | 95 1153 12.1 8 |
| 1987 rai | 12 | 47 663 14.1 2 |
| 1988 rai | 7 | 15 190 12.7 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 137 | 461 5872 12.7 41


John Mackey 5 time PB

1963 bal | 14 | 35 726 20.7 7 |
| 1964 bal | 14 | 22 406 18.5 2 |
| 1965 bal | 14 | 40 814 20.4 7 |
| 1966 bal | 14 | 50 829 16.6 9 |
| 1967 bal | 14 | 55 686 12.5 3 |
| 1968 bal | 14 | 45 644 14.3 5 |
| 1969 bal | 14 | 34 443 13.0 2 |
| 1970 bal | 14 | 28 435 15.5 3 |
| 1971 bal | 14 | 11 143 13.0 0 |
| 1972 sdg | 13 | 11 110 10.0 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 139 | 331 5236 15.8 38 |

Ozzie Newsome 3 time PB

1978 cle | 16 | 38 589 15.5 2 |
| 1979 cle | 16 | 55 781 14.2 9 |
| 1980 cle | 16 | 51 594 11.6 3 |
| 1981 cle | 16 | 69 1002 14.5 6 |
| 1982 cle | 9 | 49 633 12.9 3 |
| 1983 cle | 16 | 89 970 10.9 6 |
| 1984 cle | 16 | 89 1001 11.2 5 |
| 1985 cle | 16 | 62 711 11.5 5 |
| 1986 cle | 16 | 39 417 10.7 3 |
| 1987 cle | 13 | 34 375 11.0 0 |
| 1988 cle | 16 | 35 343 9.8 2 |
| 1989 cle | 16 | 29 324 11.2 1 |
| 1990 cle | 16 | 23 240 10.4 2 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 198 | 662 7980 12.1 47 |


Jackie Smith 5 time PB

1963 stl | 14 | 28 445 15.9 2 |
| 1964 stl | 14 | 47 657 14.0 4 |
| 1965 stl | 14 | 41 648 15.8 2 |
| 1966 stl | 14 | 45 810 18.0 3 |
| 1967 stl | 14 | 56 1205 21.5 9 |
| 1968 stl | 14 | 49 789 16.1 2 |
| 1969 stl | 14 | 43 561 13.0 1 |
| 1970 stl | 14 | 37 687 18.6 4 |
| 1971 stl | 9 | 21 379 18.0 4 |
| 1972 stl | 14 | 26 407 15.7 2 |
| 1973 stl | 14 | 41 600 14.6 1 |
| 1974 stl | 14 | 25 413 16.5 3 |
| 1975 stl | 9 | 13 246 18.9 2 |
| 1976 stl | 12 | 3 22 7.3 0 |
| 1977 stl | 14 | 5 49 9.8 1 |
| 1978 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 210 | 480 7918 16.5 40 |

Kellen Winslow 5 time PB

1979 sdg | 7 | 25 255 10.2 2 |
| 1980 sdg | 16 | 89 1290 14.5 9 |
| 1981 sdg | 16 | 88 1075 12.2 10 |
| 1982 sdg | 9 | 54 721 13.4 6 |
| 1983 sdg | 16 | 88 1172 13.3 8 |
| 1984 sdg | 7 | 55 663 12.1 2 |
| 1985 sdg | 10 | 25 318 12.7 0 |
| 1986 sdg | 16 | 64 728 11.4 5 |
| 1987 sdg | 12 | 53 519 9.8 3 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 109 | 541 6741 12.5 45 |

I think that Gonzo is the product of a system....



....a system that employs and focuses on crappy receivers. :p

Gonzo can break the TD record next year if he has a major year. Sharpe has it at 62. You do have to think the TE single season record is 12 done only 4 times.

I need to check on this but I think Gonzo has the best stats over the first 7 years then any tight end in history.

You could say that Sharpe is a product of the system as well.

I shudder to think of it, but he'd be even more dominant if we had better receivers. Right now he and Priest are the sole focus of defenses. Imagine what kind of havoc he could wreak if there was a legitimate threat (or, god forbid, threats) on the outside. No more being covered by #1 corners. A chance to find holes and seams in the middle of zones because he isn't bracketed on every play. It's really sad in a way. We saw a shadow of that in 2000, before DmiA went to shit.

How true this statement is.

I was being sarcastic. I do think that Gonzo has had one of if not the best first 7 years a TE has had. We'll see what happens.

This is also the main reason to be concerned about injuries ... he's avoided them well, but the wear and tear is building up.

feh...even I can admit he wasnt right until very late in the year and by then it was too late...

I think I missed this one ... what are you referring to? I wasn't trying to knock the guy. Let me know what I missed.

I assumed you were referring to Priest...nevermind.

Injuries are a concern for any NFL player. Personally, I think a lot of it is simply a matter of luck, being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And Tony has been seriously hurt, it just happened to come in the final game of a season (knee injury in...2001, I think it was, on a hail mary). He would've been out for a while if that had happened earlier in the year.

I think this is what he meant but I don't know what he meant by it was to late. He started to come around the first Denver game. Gonzos knee got hurt in the preseason and I think that affected his play.


GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Att Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
09/07 San Diego W 27-14 Yes 2 18 9.0 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/14 Pittsburgh W 41-20 Yes 2 8 4.0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/21 @Houston W 42-14 Yes 3 52 17.3 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/28 @Baltimore W 17-10 Yes 3 13 4.3 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



October Receiving Rushing Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Att Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
10/05 Denver W 24-23 Yes 3 47 15.7 23 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/12 @Green Bay W 40-34 Yes 4 121 30.3 67 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/20 @Oakland W 17-10 Yes 3 87 29.0 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/26 Buffalo W 38-5 Yes 6 65 10.8 26 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



November Receiving Rushing Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Att Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
11/09 Cleveland W 41-20 Yes 7 70 10.0 14 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/16 @Cincinnati L 19-24 Yes 7 86 12.3 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/23 Oakland W 27-24 Yes 4 36 9.0 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/30 @San Diego W 28-24 Yes 4 28 7.0 16 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



December Receiving Rushing Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Att Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
12/07 @Denver L 27-45 Yes 6 73 12.2 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/14 Detroit W 45-17 Yes 6 93 15.5 32 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/20 @Minnesota L 20-45 Yes 5 65 13.0 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/28 Chicago W 31-3 Yes 6 54 9.0 17 0

That injury was part of the luck you mentioned - timing is everything.

Exactly.

Both bad luck (the injury itself, on a frikkin hail mary of all things) and good (the timing).

Here is Ben Coates
1991 nwe | 16 | 10 95 9.5 1 |
| 1992 nwe | 16 | 20 171 8.6 3 |
| 1993 nwe | 16 | 53 659 12.4 8 |
| 1994 nwe | 16 | 96 1174 12.2 7 |
| 1995 nwe | 16 | 84 915 10.9 6 |
| 1996 nwe | 16 | 62 682 11.0 9 |
| 1997 nwe | 16 | 66 737 11.2 8 |
| 1998 nwe | 14 | 67 668 10.0 6 |
| 1999 nwe | 16 | 32 370 11.6 2 |
| 2000 bal | 8 | 9 84 9.3 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 150 | 499 5555 11.1 50 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+


Seasons among the league's top 10

Here is Raymond Berry who is listed as a WIDE RECIEVER


1955 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 13 205 15.8 0 |
| 1956 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 37 601 16.2 2 |
| 1957 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 47 800 17.0 6 |
| 1958 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 56 794 14.2 9 |
| 1959 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 66 959 14.5 14 |
| 1960 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 74 1298 17.5 10 |
| 1961 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 873 11.6 0 |
| 1962 bal | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 51 687 13.5 3 |
| 1963 bal | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 44 703 16.0 3 |
| 1964 bal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 43 663 15.4 6 |
| 1965 bal | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 58 739 12.7 7 |
| 1966 bal | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 56 786 14.0 7 |
| 1967 bal | 7 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 11 167 15.2 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 154 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 631 9275 14.7 68 |

Hmm..i thought he was a TE? my bad then.....what about Kellen Winslows stats?

Just think how impressive Tony's numbers would be if he had a decent QB for most of his career.

Also, Tony's numbers would be much better if he wasn't called for phantom offensive pass interference calls two games each year. ;)

That is cool

Look at post 37 I listed all the Hall of Fame tight ends and Todd Christensen.

This kid has a shot too to break all the records:

Todd Heap

CAREER RECEIVING STATS
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
2001 BAL 12 16 206 12.9 24 1
2002 BAL 16 68 836 12.3 43 6
2003 BAL 16 57 693 12.2 33 3
Totals: 44 141 1735 12.3 43 10

Grbac was a great passer yardage wise that is. Green is a decent QB.

Just think this system really doe not work to Gonzos abilities. Just think about what he could do if he was in that type of system.

1997 Kansas City Chiefs 16 0 33 368 11.2 30 2 5 0 21
1998 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 59 621 10.5 32 2 6 0 33
1999 Kansas City Chiefs 15 15 76 849 11.2 73 11 8 1 47

47 31 168 1838 15 19 1 101

RECEIVING

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2001 Baltimore Ravens 12 6 16 206 12.9 24 1 3 0 10
2002 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 68 836 12.3 43 6 13 2 44
2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 57 693 12.2 33 3 13 0 32
TOTAL 44 38 141 1735 12.3 43 10 29 2 86

Heap is behind Gonzos first 3 years but he does have a chance.

Honestly..its waaay too early...but potentially, Winslow Jr. has all the "tools" to be a great one. Dude looks as smooth as a Wideout when he runs.

As much as it kills me this guy has great numbers in his first 2 years. He has far better numbers then Gonzo avg wise.


Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2002 New York Giants 15 14 74 894 12.1 30 2 16 0 49
2003 New York Giants 9 9 48 535 11.1 46 2 6 1 29
TOTAL 24 23 122 1429 11.7 46 4 22 1 78

You are right about that. .

This is Shockey right? Ill admit...hes a talent..and better after the catch than Gonzo. Has a 2 cent head though.

Yes as much as it hurts it is him.

Alot could go into this argument. Is this just based on pass catching ability? Or do we look at the total package, including blocking ability?

Sharpe has blocked for 7 or 8 1000 yard backs.

Good point Garcia

Don't get me wrong...Sharpe ain't the best blocking TE out there...but he got the job done. TG can block better IMO, but what does that mean in the end whenh you don't win the Super Bowl.

Not Tony G's fault we should have gone to the Super Bow last year. Unfortunately, he cant tackle and play defense. God, if only we would have hired Gunther a year ago!

It's a fun debate. Sharpe grew into being a better than average blocking TE. He didn't know much his first few years, but really grew into the position.

The TE position is definitely getting better from a quality standpoint, for the longest time it's really maybe been 3-4 tier 1 TEs. Now you have KWII and the two guys named Ben that were just drafted. Add them to the likes of Gonzo, Shockey, Heap and a couple of guys that are improving in the league like Franks, Pollard and a couple of others.

There are a number of potentially great young TEs out there waiting to burst onto the scene.

Well, we will soon find out if it was GRob's system or the players...

Exactly! you should know how bad GRobs system is though. He got fired there as well did he not?

The one thing Gonzo has going for him is Romanowski's retirement...

Right - but during his tenure, the team did buy into his system. The final year, the defensive rankings dropped into the 20's, but prior to that he had some nice defensive players and they were ranked in the top 12 of the league. During the SB years - the defense was top 12 and higher.

You are right...but i remember even in their Super Bowl years..even though they were ranked high statistically, I always thought they were a little soft to be honest....probably just a reflection of GRob himself.

Sharpe says "THANK YOU KANSAS CITY ... I'LL MISS YOU"

Dec. 9, 1990:
After catching just three passes in the first 12 games of his career, Sharpe matches that total in a game at Arrowhead Stadium, while also scoring the first touchdown of his career. A week later in a home game against the San Diego Chargers, Sharpe makes the first start of his NFL career.

Sharpe's first TD was against KC and thanks to that performance, he got his first start the following week. That rules. :thumb:

Damn ... no wonder you guys hate Sharpe as much as Elway, the guy has always loved playing KC.

Oct. 4, 1992:
For the first time, Sharpe goes over the 100-yard mark in a single game, snagging nine passes for 118 yards in a 20-19, comeback win over the Chiefs.

Damn ... they just keep coming.

Dec. 12, 1993
During the first three seasons of his NFL career, Sharpe scored four touchdowns. In one game against the Kansas City Chiefs, he scores three times, leading the Broncos to a 27-21 win over Kansas City at Mile High Stadium.

Ok, really ... this is the last one.

Oct. 20, 2002:
Sharpe sets a league record for tight ends, amassing 214 yards on 12 receptions to lead Denver to a 37-34 overtime win at Kansas City. Eighty-two of the yards come on a third-quarter touchdown catch-and-run from Brian Griese, during which he outran the entire Kansas City defense towards the end zone. "I've lost a step, trust me," Sharpe insisted after the game. "I was hurting. But Brian hit me in the seam, and it was just a full race between me and the safety. It is his longest reception as a member of the Broncos.