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Jeez...Dickie V is kinda upset.

Bob Dole distinctly heard the word "****". Where is the word "****" in this ****ing transcript?

Enough of this BS. How do you some very, very good things and give up 184 yards rushing?

Vermeil knows as much about defense as I do about rocket science.

Carolina averaged 2.7 yards a rush in the first half.

Anyway, we're fucked.

Q: What packages do you have that don’t involve Priest?

VERMEIL: “Nothing.”

Q: Then why wasn’t he in the game? I’m not sure I understand why he wasn’t in the game….

VERMEIL: “Because we didn’t want him in the game at the time. Is that a good enough answer? It had nothing to do with his injury because I walked right up to him and asked him and that’s the only thing I can tell you. The truth. That’s why he wasn’t in the game. The situation in a game like that down by 11 we just left him out of there.”

****


Nice message to send to the team.

Down 11 in the middle of the 4th.

Quit.



:cuss:

I care about the end result. If you get C all semester and tank the final and fail the class, then you have failed.

I don't want to hear about the great things the defense did. I don't want Vermeil sugar coating anything anymore. His loving, ass-kissing approach to this defense makes me sick. Your defense gives up an average of 175 rushing yards per game this year and all he wants to do is talk about what he saw that was right.

That approach doesn't work. He tried it last year and it sucked.

I wish Gunther would crack the god damn whip and start treating these idiots like the underachieving bastards they are.

Umm, the nature of the game of football is segmented. Individual plays are played until completion, then the respective units regroup and go at it again.
It's not that hard a concept, really TBG.

Well at least he ****ing knows what large ****ing portion of the ****ing problem is.

Let's just hope he grabs AS by the neck and tells him to get his act in gear or else....

There is a difference between whether or not you care about the end result and whether or not you understand the game.
If you see flashes of brilliance, followed by a breakdown, you treat that condition much different than seeing nothing of redeeming value.

No shit it's segmented. I don't care about hearing about the right things they may have done a fraction of the time if one play is done the right way and the next is done poor. Obviously there is a problem there if they know how to do it the right way and screw up the next. The make-shift Panthers line managed to come out on top if they controlled the ball for 10 minutes more than the Chiefs and had twice as many rushing yards.

I'm just sick of hearing the good things this defense did when they can't stop anyone.

But what does Vermeil expect? He didn't do one tackling drill in training camp, and coincidentally the defense can't tackle to save their lives.

Just because that is the approach taken in public does not mean it is the approach taken behind the scenes.

Just something to think about.

That's perfectly fine, . . . as a fan's take. As a take of someone denigrating the football knowledge of an NFL coach, it's shit. Plain and simple.

That's brilliant, ignore anything any player might be doing right. Go into the practice facility with the red ass, yelling "you're all shit, and can't do anything right. There's nothing to be improved upon. . . . Matter of fact, hand me my blowtorch. I'm burning this whole thing to the ground."

Vermeil has been fluffing the defense since they were blistered against the Broncos last year. Obvioulsy 10 months later, his approach still doesn't work. I don't want him to yell you're all shit, I want some blame being put on this unit. I think it's pointless to keep building up this defense only to watch them fold on Sundays.

I just don't put much faith in Vermeil's ability to recognize good defense. He's had 4 years here to turn the thing around, and when you finish in the low 20s in defense all four years that tells me he doesn't know the defensive side of the ball.

Are you saying you want a new head coach?

I suppose the interceptions could be flashes of brilliance but those are the only two flashes I saw yesterday. The offense was even worse. The team is foundering thus far with no bright spots and barely any illumination.

ROFL JC Johnny is back

That is the biggest pile of lies I think I've ever heard. He's lying about the defense. He's lying about why Holmes sat. He's lying about Green's play. He's lying about our WR separation.

It's all bullsh*t. He needs to quit babying his players and call some people out for poor play. He needs to light some fires, not sugarcoat. It's no wonder the team has no heart right now, they're being coached by Stuart Smiley.

Good grief, I'd hate to work for some of you people.

If you accepted mediocrity like Vermeil does on defense then I would never hire you in the first place:p

Once again, just because you see something in public does not mean it is the same behind closed doors.

Furthermore, not everyone agrees with you that the defense is to blame. Not everyone agrees with you that this defense is not making improvements. That is YOUR point of view.

DV sees good things and bad things, and he and his coaches will address both of these aspects with their players at the appropriate time. If you ignore the good things the players do and simply berate them all the time you will lose their respect. Just as is the case with any employer. Vermeil's job is to COACH, and that is what he is doing. He has a proven track record of turning teams around, including our own, and I am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt and assume that he has at least as much an idea about the game and the job as you and I, if not more so.

And considering he is the HC and making the big bucks, and you and I are not, he probably does know the game and the job better than we do. Does that mean that as a fan I am not going to question some of his decisions? Of course not. But until the team definitivley starts showing a regressing trend, I am not going to question his over all ability to do his job.

The funny part is (Chiefs fans don't know or believe this), but until he came to KC Dick Vermeil had never really had a bad defensive team. All 7 years in Philly, and the first couple years in St. Louis, DV's defenses were better than his offenses. Only in 1999 (in his 10th season as a head coach)...the Rams blew up did the offense do better than the defense... and that Rams defense was still 4th in the league. That's one of those "assumed" fallacies because the Rams defense went to crap, but that was only after DV left. Actually until he came to KC, Dick Vermeil had never, ever coached a football team that did not finish in the top 20 in either defensive yards or points allowed... for his career DV has had 6 top ten defenses and 5 top ten offenses (using points scored/allowed).

Yet he knows nothing about the defensive side of the game. :rolleyes:

I'm not ready to start doubting the man yet. He has turned around three different teams and taken two of them to the big dance. It is only a matter of time before he takes the third......

Not EVERY Chiefs fan is ignorant of this.

Q: Then why wasn’t he in the game? I’m not sure I understand why he wasn’t in the game….

VERMEIL: “Because we didn’t want him in the game at the time. Is that a good enough answer? It had nothing to do with his injury because I walked right up to him and asked him and that’s the only thing I can tell you. The truth. That’s why he wasn’t in the game. The situation in a game like that down by 11 we just left him out of there.”
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they didn't want the best RB in the league in the game?

"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them"

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

thanks for injecting a little reality into the conversation...

I am wondering more and more about Phil's comment in one of the 200 "is Priest hurt" threads this morning concerning Priest expressing disatisfaction with plays and either decided to sit or being told to sit as a result. The more I read, the more I think Phil has a point.

Last year this squad had only forty neg yard tackles. They have 17 in two games.

I think alot of people could be eating crow by years end, Gun won't settle for guys who take themselves out of plays or keep tackling without wrapping up. He told us it would take a few games.

I read it as they gave up. Coaches and players.

I read it as making sure you don't lose Priest for the year. Blaylock has shown he can make plays. I wonder if he felt like he was giving up.

:)

yes, i think it had a lot more to do with trying to keep priest healthy...

and it looked like a good move to me...

Looks like DV saw the same thing I did from the stands.

We had guys open in their zone all day. They just can't catch.

Priest Holmes has a sore ankle.

What he said.

Do you think he should come out publicly and stay they suck? Who know how much yelling he and Gunther do behind closed doors and at practice. I am sure he has a way of getting his point across, maybe just too late to do it now.

I remember in pre-season him saying these guys would get it done or he would find someone that would.