I can't blame Green, Vermeil, or Carl for any of this. It's just BAD LUCK!!!!!!!
 

green is doing the best he can with what he has. he had no time with both morton or kenisson during training camp. plus each of them are still not 100% his main hook ups during training camp were Boe, cris wilson, and smith. boe is out for this season and wilson probably out for the majority of the season. smith is a first year rookie that probably needs 2 seasons before he will contribute substantially to the team. then you have the inevitable decline of our O-line with welbourne needing more playing time before he is up to speed. 3 solid years this O line has been the best in the nfl. it was bound to weaken sooner rather than later. then you have TG who is our only reciever right now and he is even playing with a foot that will need surgery during the off season. any team would be out of their heads not double team him and take him out of the game plan which each team we've played has successfully done.

there you have it. although i have had faith that KC will some how pull it out this season and win 11 games now given the above it may be a off year for the chiefs. they will rebound big time next year but the above circumstances may be to much for the coaching staff to overcome this season.

i have not even addressed the glaring problems on D that appear not to improve substantially until we can add more talent during the off season. the good news is we have plenty of draft picks next year so we have better chance of picking up some one good. i'm sure we can make some free agency moves as well both defensively and offensively.

if we can win 10 games it will be (down from my expectation of 12 wins) it will be nothing short of spectacular, and vermeil and company should get the accolades they would deserve for such an achievement.

with all the above we have arguably the toughest schedule in the nfl so winning 10 games could mean a lot come playoff time (if we make it with 10 that is).

all and all I have a wait and see attitude about it. i'm very disappointed with the way things played out before even the season began. it's very unfortunate. we really needed the offense to be at the level they were last year with everyone at or near 100% and players like Boe and kris wilson to add yet another dynamic. even smith could have been more of contributor if there was no pressure for him to be a #1 or #2 WR. Our D had to improve just slightly for us to get over the hump. now it looks like all bets are off!

it truly is disappointing and I can't really blame vermeil and his coaching staff or even Carl for the predicament they are in. it is just BAD LUCK!!!!!!!!!

Yes and no. Good teams make their luck. Bad teams fall back on the bad luck excuse. I agree that the rash of injuries have hurt this team, but they also chose to ignore obvious holes that were going to be eventually exposed (WR, DB, LB, DE).

This is all BS.
You can blame Carl and Dick.
They didn't address glaring weaknesses, and now those weaknesses are biting us in the ass.

It's that simple.

As I kept saying to my FiL when he was commenting on how lucky Del Homme was throughout the game, "You make your own luck." (or in the case of Jake, our crappy defense makes his luck).

I do feel, at times, that we're getting some bad breaks and that a pall has settled over the team; however, I don't think it has anything to do with luck. It has to do with us sitting still in free agency, not using $6 mil in cap room, and squandering draft picks over the last couple of years. That's how we've made our luck. If you want good luck, you plan for bad scenarios and prepare for them. We didn't.

Already hearing the wait 'til next year excuses, huh? I'm not buying it anymore.

I totally agree with Milkman. I have had fits during free agency and the draft as a Cheifs fan since Carl and Vermeil have joined forces. They moved up to get Sims...but he still has not made the impact we had hoped for. FA has been a joke....and the rest of the draft picks have been reaches, drafted too high, tweeners (Battle)...or others of the sort.

bullchit

everyone knew that we needed help at Cornerback,Middle Linebacker,Right Defensive End and Wide Receiver.

Vermeil/Carl/Lamar Chose to not address these issues


and now those very positions are a major problem


if we would of gone after a #1 receiver... all the injuries wouldn't of been such an issue.

same for Middle Linebacker


Gunther has already pulled back from the blitz because our coverage is too shaky to allow it. Once again... a problem that was obvious before the season is hurting us during the season.


Injuries Happen.... but the damage for those injuries is being magnified because of the mistakes that were made it the offseason. Mistakes that were glaringly evident to most.



your post is just another lame excuse for a poor front office

Part of the game, man...
 

Bad luck is a lack of planning, execution, and effort.

so if we got a MLB and #1 receiver we would be 2-0 and the envy of the league even with all the injuries? No way! It sounds as if everyone who replied is discounting the 13-3 record we had last year as a fluke, and will be happy to see both Carl and vermeil and his staff leave after the season so that we can start a new chapter. shake: :shake: :shake:

Can't buy that...
 

we'll never know, will we??

because the chiefs decided that money was more important then addressing "potientially large" issues during the offseason.


so far they have been wrong


making excuses for them is pointless


if you want to say your just "staying positive" and cheering your team on .... im good with that, it's cool.



but don't try and act like it's a logical argument or something, because it's not.

A product of the easiest schedule we will ever see combined with the other teams not having quite figured out how to defense our offense. So not quite a fluke but not as legitimate as many would like to believe.

Sincerely hope you are correct.

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so if we got a MLB and #1 receiver we would be 2-0 and the envy of the league even with all the injuries? To add to Laz's thoughts, if Carl and Dick had addressedd these problem areas, even if they still start the season at 0-2, at least they made the effort to improve.

This team may have been 13-3, but they clearly had deficiencies.
A team can't expect to improve if they don't make an effort to do so.

I just hope you guys put some wins together soon. It's no fun talking Chiefs with you guys when the board is in despair.

A win this week would go a long way toward turning those frowns upside-down.

Carolina beat the ish out of us with injuries to two of thier best players.

The Chiefs this year are just like the Royals and MU Tiger Basketball.... once the media predicts they are gonna win they think it will all come too easy and underestimate everyone else. This 0-2 start actually might be good for the chiefs ego.

Ding Ding Ding!

Wow, I'm surprised no one has seen what I have seen this year! The Chiefs defense has been playing well, especially on Sunday, UNTIL the 4th Quarter! They were tied with Denver, and then gave up 14 points to Carolina in the 4th. This SCREAMS to me, Conditioning! Vermeil complained that it wasn't hot enough in WI this training camp, and it's come back to bite them in ass. First, they're in the thin air of Denver, then the heat and humidity of KC. Conditioning has been more of a factor than anything else on the defensive side of the ball, IMO.

As far as the offensive side of the ball, John Welbourne has been a major disappointment, and the offensive line hasn't been nearly as consistent as the past 2 years. Welbourne's penalties and bad play has not allowed the offense to get into a rhythm. At times, Al Saunders hasn't called a smart game either, which is a little surprising. But the offense will get better, as the will the defense.

My biggest concern this offseason is now a reality, and it's not the offense or the defense - it's the special teams, especially Vermeil's decision to go with Tynes. Yes, Tynes has a much stronger leg than Anderson and has been putting the ball in the endzone on kickoffs. But my primary concern with the decision of Tynes is that it would change the Chiefs offense and their philosophy, which it clearly has! Instead of going for it on 4th and 1 or 4th and 2, Vermeil instead trots out his shiny, brand new, strong legged kicker for a long field goal. In the past, the offense would have gone for it and made it, thus scoring more points, staying on the field longer and wearing out the opponents defense. This year, he sends out the kicker (who missed), therefore giving the opponent the short field, an easier chance to score and more time to wear out the Chiefs defense.

A little change in philosophy, a little more conditioning and more time with the new systems will go a long way for this team. I envisioned them as only 2-2 to start the season and still think they will win 10+ games.

Remember, the most important stretch of the season is the last 6 games, where 5 of those 6 are AFC West opponents. I believe, contrary to last year, this team will be better at the end of the year, as opposed to no improvement.

Dane
~Not panicked

I see that, too...
 

Ever heard of Preist Holmes?
How about Trent Green?

Before you cry too much about Vermeil & Free Agency maybe you should join the Elvis Grbac / Mike Cloud fan club?

Preach on brother Dane

i call bull again...


since when has Vermeil been a go for it on 4th down kind of coach??

or be real aggressive in any fashion?


remember the patriots game when he didn't go for 2??


how many times in the past has Vermeil said "in retrospect maybe we should of been more aggressive" ??


he's an old school coach, who believes in a conservative, by the book coached game.

Tynes is just fine... it's the coach that needs an attitude adjustment

Check it out, y’all…
 

so true...

i've said all along that KC will be slow out of the gates this year, and I believe they can still rebound and go into the playoffs stronger than last season. I'm just not as confident right now given the injuries. right now i will be more surprised that we will be in better shape going into the playoffs than last year or even make the playoffs. if we are 2-2 at the bye week i'll feel better about it. i underestimated the loss of tait and the decline of our receiver corp.

well, if junior continues to progress, it looks like they did address the dt situation...

at least...

I think the plan for the offense forr 2004 was a really good one but two of the main components broke before the season ever got here. Bo and Wilson were gonna be huge in the plan( run blocking just as much as pass catching) but their injuries ruined that plan and all the countless hours of planning went out the window. I hope before DVs gone it get to see that plan executed.

PhilFree :arrow:

You were the one last year saying we were a year away when this team was 5-0.

So now we are into this year, it's bad luck?

It is bad luck that the Chiefs had corner and receiver problems the FIRST year Vermeil was here, and we still have the same problems today?

That's piss poor planning and it's piss poor drafting.

But keep making excuses if it makes you feel better why we have tanked the first two games of this season.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

it doesn't make me feel any better jerkoff!!!!!!!!!
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and furthermore that poor planning and drafting made us #1 scoring offense 2 years in a row. but keep talking if that makes you feel better STFU

Ha, you call me a jerkoff when you've become the biggest running joke on this board, Tom Gash.

You're right. Football is one sided. I guess the Chiefs have been without a defense for so long that they were apart of the team as well.

Ironic quote of the week, from Dick Vermeil (source kcchiefs.com):

“Players win games not coaches.”

Uh huh, that's why we got a defensive coordinator and didn't bother bringing in any new talent.

this thread is not about the D it's about the O. I'm not defending our D. It's still pretty bad. But I don't think we would be 0-2 if our O was back in 2003 form.

You wanted to make it personal with your post not me. Make your point and move on. Stick to the subject. It is not necessary to bring me into the mix. Only jerkoffs do that.

I can place blame on DV because he put players out there that were clearly not ready. Morton was clearly not ready against Denver, and may still not be ready. The injuries have clearly come into play, but made much the worse by the fact that we have little depth at the positions we are hurt at. The fact that we have the same personnel problems in the fourth year either says we don't know how to grade talent, or become too attached to players to tell them they are not succeeding and perhaps should find a new line of work. We need to also stop trying to draft players who can play ok everywhere instead of great at one position. Farging tweeners.

nice post

Sorry I don't buy the Morton and Kennison arguement. Green and these two have been together for two years prior to this. They shouldn't need a whole training camp to get timing down.

As much of a Green basher as I am I don't blame him for anything. He's putting the ball on target. It's getting dropped. That's bad coaching.

This brings me to DV to whom I can assign plenty of blame. He's built a hollow team that's rapidly aging. His drafts have been a joke and he clearly has his pets. Flush all that 'profile' talk. He brought a gimmick offense that's getting figured out and he clearly can't deal with making the adjustments needed. He clearly isn't half the talent evalulator he's supposed to be and he's missing out on what small window this empty team of his has.

Check yourself there. Green lost the Carolina game singlehandedly by fumbling and throwing an interception on back to back series.

And he sucked balls against Denver.

Look good in the first half against Carolina. Maybe that was a sign the passing game is coming around.

Trust me I'm no friend of Greens.

The 20 odd yard sack was incredibly stupid for a rookie much less a 10yr(?) vet. I think the int was a bad route but I won't swear to it. Green is NOT helping things but all in all I don't have a major problem with him. His WR's are dropping everything except their bad habits. Even I can't fault Green there.

The biggest problem we have is that DV has built a team that's very thin and getting old. He did it with a win now and to hell with tomorrow concept. He was also banking on the draft to hide the shallowness. His drafts have been monumental jokes and we're starting to pay for it.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "singlehandedly"?

It means "working or done without help. Unassisted"

Do you really think that Trent had no help in losing that game? Here's a hint for the correct answer: nothing in football is done singlehandedly.

You know what I mean. I didn't see Johnnie Morton fumbling or anything. The interception was particularly bad, he threw an out and the receiver had pretty good coverage. That usually equals in interception, especially if the ball is thrown late.

The fumble was horrible. It's supposed to be his only real weakness, but Saunders needs to tell Green to start getting rid of the ball quicker. There's nothing wrong with dumping it off.