Mort says it's NOT the scheme....
 

...it's the talent of the players...and poor tackling that is the problem on the Chiefs D. Check out today's Mort chat on ESPN for link. There you have it. I trust Mort more than a lot of football analysts...although most of us knew that already. Let's face it...time for Carl to draft a stud d player...not a tweener, project, or reach anymore.

what he said...
 

Tackling is the biggest problem, there were many times they had Foster stopped at the line and then he broke tackles to gain 8 yards, wrap up you morons!

im shocked... you mean we should of added talent this offseason to the defense?!?

Scheme is working great, we got in the backfield all day against Carolina, just didn't wrap up and make the tackle. We do that and our defense would improve my leaps and bounds.

What was the 6th pick in the draft (Sims) suppose to be?

Were we not sold the bill of goods on Barber. He was a top flight LB in the NFL?

That Mcleon was good enough. We didn't need to draft a corner. We needed a project DT worse.

It's neither scheme nor talent. It's a lack of execution.

Isn't lack of execution a reflection of the talent??

and coaching

How many actually thought that the talent level was there to be a top tier D?

I didn't.

My problem with Spinner's scheme was that his passive approach allowed teams to get back into games after the Chiefs O scored some points.

I want to see Gun's scheme in action when the Chiefs get some points and have a lead.

Gun will attack and force some mistakes.

Clearly the talent level has to be improved, but I thought Gun's attacking style, combined with a high octane O would be able to mask some of the talent deficiencies on D.

So far we haven't had an opportunity to see that.

I would agree with this. I see the Chiefs defensive players in the right position to make the play now more than ever. It's a matter of finishing the job.

The defense needs to work together, seems like everyone is lost out there!

Not IMO.

Get Gun out of the booth and down with the troops. He looks like a caged lion whenever they show him on TV. He's be more effective on the sidelines with the D.

imo we haven't seen gun's attacking defense in action is because he found out, just like Greg Rob/inson found out, that our secondary isn't good enough to cover behind a blitz.

I'm sure he sits where he wants to during the games.

Could be.

But it could also be that he can't just ignore the run while the teams are still in the game, so he can't attack the QB.

If teams have to play catch up, then the QB would get less time in the pocket, and the DBs that can't cover (Dexter) wouldn't be forced to try and maintain coverage for as long.

Well,

I think the Chiefs should go "old style" in their practices. They obviously need more live hitting. So what we do is let the D beat the snot out of the second team offense to practice tackling fundamentals. Sure its an injury risk. But, we can't go on like this and perhaps the tackling will improve. Tackling is technique and obviously they aren't getting enough reps.

Yep...
 

yea...


imo he needs to stop his linebackers from charging at the snap of the ball.


i think this is by design


it's part of the reason the linebackers overcommit and get caught out of position.


the linebackers also line up too far inside ... allowing teams to use a counter-step inside ... then catch the corner on running play with consistancy.

I agree Laz.
I think it's part of the design to stop the run.

But it isn't working.

maybe it's a lack of confidence in the defensive tackles... he thinks the linebackers need to jump inside to stuff the inside run.


but teams have started faking inside and bouncing outside. Our linebackers have been told (apparently) to really jump the inside stuff and to be "running downhill" at the snap of the ball.


it's killing our outside run defense.


this one change might be our biggest chance for improvement

I don't care what Mort says last year the scheme had alot to do with our defensive failings. Most obvious was the Colts game. Also something that has caught my attention is that the three players who seem to be guilty of making the same mistakes repeatedly were the free agents we picked up last year. They all play on the right side and the right side is our weakest point. To bad Fox is injured cause I think he'd do a better job then BArber is. As far not adding any players to the D people should read the roster.

PhilFree :arrow:

Sims ahsn't yet lived up to the potential that got him selected at #6.
Browning, despite all the glowing words that Dick and Gun have for him is just pushed around on the inside, and Gun has to see that.

Having the LBs jump inside to cover that would be just the thing Gun would do.

And the D is having to defend more than usual, good point.

well then he needs to make an adjustment and just have the MLB jump the inside stuff.


leave the outside linebackers to flow naturally to the ball so we dont constantly get caught inside by cutback running and bootleg by the QB's.

I think it's just Barber blowing his responsibility on the right side more then anything. I read DV saying it was the same indidvidual making the same mistake repeatedly. He didn't name anyone but Barber is the right side LB so it ain't to hard to figure.

PhilFree :arrow:

tape and watch the game instead of relying on Vermeil's press conferences (not meant to be a slam)


you can clearly see the linebackers moving forward BEFORE the snap.



its' like they have been told to read the play by formation and then get a headstart or something.

with a team like denver... who's offensive running plays are all designed with 2 different running lanes... jumping the play on a pre snap read is like playing russian roulette.

sooner or later the RB is going to chose the land that you didn't jump and it going to run for a week because of the lack of backside help.

I don't believe half the crap that Dick says, and I doubt the other half.

I watched the first game twice but with the new blackout rules I couldn't TIVO the 2nd. I was at the game and I've seen the highlights replayed enough. On the 71 yarder running play Barber just lets the RB run right past him. I think it's beginning to become apparent why he's floated around from team to team. He lacks dicipline. Now you are prolly right about crashing the line but it's the crashing in the wrong place that's causing the problems. Biting on fakes and leaving their responsibility is what killing the LBs IMO not the scheme.

PhilFree :arrow:

DV's provides his share of BS no doubt but I try to base my opinions on both what I see and by what I read or hear in press conferences and from the national media as well.

PhilFree :arrow:

your right.. on that particular play, barber got blocked by what looked to be a wide receiver. (not good)

he shouldn't get handled like that


but IIRC both of the other linebackers jumped inside which left Barber all by himself to fill the hole.


"crashing in the wrong place"

that's what im saying... the linebackers are crashing the line of scrimmage because they jump at the snap.

is this scheme? is it bad LB play?


after seeing the linebackers consistantly jump at, if not before the snap of the ball, it seems like they have been coached to do such.

at the very least the coaches have not told them to stop strongly enough.


the quote by gunther "if you dont' see the linebackers running downhill at the snap of the ball...." leads me to believe that it's by design.

Srew the freakin' media!
If there's anyone, or any group that I believe less than coaches it's the media.
They are either biassed, uninformed, or just freakin' stupid.

I take more from this forum than the media, by far.

We're all biassed, uninformed or just stupid, but at least we're all honestly that way.

That's a bullseye...
 

True.

The downhill part is but I'm not sure about the inside part. I think that's lack of dicipline. They were pretty good in the first half against Carolina but then they pooped in thier hat.

PhilFree :arrow:

but IMO ... just my opinion... having the linebackers commit before/at the snap is gonna be a problem no matter what.

it amounts to guessing about the play


cutbacks and play action passes will just kill us if we guess all the time.


attacking is fine... but you must read the play, then attack.


(please dont confuse that with the "read and react" of GR's defense, it's not the same)