Chiefs have interest in DE Markus Golden
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs have expressed interest in former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mizzou?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mizzou</a> star and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a> DE Markus Golden, per a source.<br><br>Golden, a St. Louis native, is a former second-round pick who led Arizona in sacks with 12.5 in 2016. Golden tore his ACL in 2017 and had 2.5 sacks in 11 starts last season.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1106223315029581824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If Veach could sign him, that’d be golden

I’ll show myself out

Wanted this dude! He’s basically a Dee Ford caliber player right now but not at the outrageous price tag.

Perhaps a nice little nugget this FA season.

He’s a hard worker. Wouldn’t break the bank for him, though.

Given the last 2 seasons, one would think a decent discount would be in order.

He'd basically be a Dee Ford-like project for a lot less money. Would be worth it to me as long as it's not too much.

Hmmmmm maybe take a chance if price was right.

I have not heard much interest in Shane Ray either. I really thought he might be pretty good but soon as Wade Phillips left he disappeared. Anyway probably not a fit in a 43.

Lunch pail

Shane Ray seemed to have promise, but whatever he did to his wrist killed his career. It seems like he's been "out - wrist" for half a decade now.

He’d be a good fit in this scheme probably. Plays tough, plays physical. Attacks to get after the QB.

Is it a requirement that all players we bring in have an ACL tear in their past?

Golden is a much better fit in this scheme.

He’ll, what’s Kony ealy doing?

Is he a lunch pail kinda guy?

He had 12.5 sacks in 2016...

I believe he got hurt in 2017 and only added 2.5 this past year

He can move around the line as well.

I'd do it.

Hell, overpay a little they've got the space

It takes more than a KC Chiefs tattoo to gain interest.

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I mentioned in another thread a couple of days ago that Sam Mellinger was on 810 Monday and indicated the Chiefs were not interested in Ray. As in: He asked and they answered.

I wouldn’t over pay.

I'm never a fan of loading up on mutt trash, but I guess anyone will do if they're the right price.

I believe he is a St. Louis native and is a former second-round pick.

12.5 sack season came in a defense that will be more similar to this one in KC... not saying he’d get that or even close to it, but I think it’s the right fit.

He's not white, no.

We can't afford the new shiny things so we have to get things that have the potential to be nice and fix them up.

We are the white trash of the NFL.

We're bargain hunting, brah.

Kansas City BrokeDicks

Clay - get on that logo design......

Not to mention that Steve Wilks tanked their entire defense by inserting his system with a bunch of players that didn't fit.

He's listed as 260 pounds. To me, that's a little light for a DE in a 4 - 3.

Exactly. If he comes cheap, you're essentially getting a younger Ford for a lot less money. That's a risk worth taking.

Yes, but only if their contract has an "availability" paragraph stating they have to be on the field, actually participating in the game, to get their paycheck!

Good question.

FAX

What if we took Dee Ford's money and used it to buy lunch pails for all the players???!!!!

PROBLEM SOLVED

I just think the key is all players have an ACL tear in their past in todays NFL.

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Much like how a mother bird will peck its young to death if it believes the chick has been returned to the nest infected with disease, the Chiefs would end up doing the same to Shane Ray and his Donk AIDS

Teams will be playing from behind and trying to catch up to us so he will have more opportunities to get sacks. We had a lot of sacks last year and having a big lead on teams gave our pass rushers more chances. Look for Ford's numbers to drop off dramatically . This guy can benefit greatly playing behind our offense.

This. People were still pissed off that Ford missed games two years ago, but are okay with a guy that had an acl tear and only managed 2 sacks last year. :rolleyes:

Well, pissed off that Ford missed games and cost $16 mil this year...it's mainly the cost part

This would speak to the scheme change coming with Spags.

If he has fully recovered from the ACL and hasn't broken something else in the meantime, he is a guy who could be very effective in a hybrid front (like the Amoeba Swim With Plunger System, for example). He was doing those sorts of things when he slated the double-digit sacks.

FAX

Can you imagine how few players we'd be looking at if we eliminated anyone with an ACL in their past?

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...and the offsides. Yeah, just one play, everyone makes mistakes and all that, but I will never be able to see him on the field without thinking "what could have been." Completely emotional and illogical, I know, but not sad to see Ford go. His price tag just makes it easy to rationalize.

Didnt Wilkes run a 43 in Arizona when Golden recorded 2.5 sacks?

"pounded the table" post

So he got an ACL fixed and only got 2.5 sacks in 2/3rds of a season coming back. That tells me that rehab and rust has been rubbed off and he's ready to go back to work. Also tells me he's about half as likely to tear an ACL again since 1 has already been fixed when compared to someone who hasn't torn any. Had DF production in 2016 so some ability must be there.

Well the Chiefs need someone...Can't go into the season relying on Speaks/KPass to get to the QB for this defense.

Chiefs will need to make a couple more splashes in the secondary, whether thats in FA or hitting a HR in the draft because they're not getting to the QB this yr and they'll have to weather that storm...it's going to be a D rebuild of at least 2 yrs.

I don't think people here at CP are giving enough credit for stealing NE's DL coach. He has been making something out of nothing for years for BB and I think if anyone can create a DL that's serviceable to good its him.
Spags is known for being good with the secondary so I guess I'm a slightly optimistic cynical realist this year.

No hes not.

He most certainly is. His career trajectory is almost identical to Ford's, he's a year younger, and he'll probably cost half as much.

He only started 3 games and had 12.5 sacks that year

Right.

Year 1 - part time starter, 4 sacks
Year 2 - part time starter, 12.5 sacks
Year 3 - hurt
Year 4 - recovering from being hurt, still started 11 games and notched 2.5 sacks

As opposed to Ford:

Year 1 - full time backup 1.5 sacks
Year 2 - part time starter, 4 sacks
Year 3 - 10 sacks
Year 4 - hurt

He's almost a carbon copy of Dee Ford, minus Ford's rookie year and Ford's 2018 season. He's probably ready to break out this year and could be had for a fraction of what Ford got paid. It's exactly the type of move the Chiefs SHOULD make.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Boom-or-bust player. Can he recover from his ACL injury and get back to his 2016 form in which he had 12.5 sacks? <a href="https://t.co/Ldr4ssd84T">https://t.co/Ldr4ssd84T</a></p>&mdash; Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) <a href="https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1106253676346105856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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An ACL tear and a back injury are NOT the same when evaluating future durability.

Golden is a boom or bust player that will likely come at a boom or bust price tag.

Ford is a boom or bust player that commanded a BOOM contract.

I can't believe people think Ford was worth the money. He's not a bad player and he was worth keeping. But not for top 5 money, that's outrageous.

It's always been the cost part. People only read what they want to read.

Giving massive contracts to older players with an injury history: dumb and shortsighted

Signing players who were recently injured at lower rates, hoping that they can provide more value than their cap number/salary: extremely smart

Veach is doing the latter.

Before we were giving guys even with injury history mega long term contracts.

Today we are looking for undervalued ACL guys and giving them short term "prove it" contracts. Keep in mind that it often takes overpaying to get a short term deal instead of longer term guaranteed. I don't want long term guaranteed right now.

We don't need guys like golden to play for us 5 years. We may bring in 5 guys with acl histories on short term contracts. But if veach does well enough in the draft the hope is they're all replaced by young guns by 2021.

Bingo. And it's possible this is just how veach wants to rebuild quickly. We may not use this same approach three years from now when our defense has hopefully hit its stride.

Just to be clear, I agree with all of this. From what I've read I would be excited for us to land Golden. Dee Ford's back issue plus his much higher price tag had me terrified we'd get a Berry/Houston situation all over again.

Did this piece of shit sign yet??

Exactly this.

Now if we could just pluck a corner out of Arizona we’d be set...

Except Golden is being bid on by other teams. He won’t be cheap. Meanwhile we could’ve had Ford in 2019 and let him walk next year.

We signing this piece of shit or what

LOL, the new Lexicon for all FAs visiting the Chiefs

You assume he won't be cheap. We KNOW Ford wasn't going to be cheap.

And keeping for Ford for 1 year at $16M was gambling with money they need for other positions.

If the price is right, Golden could be a ice gambit.

He’s a hard-working/high motor guy who has had a good combo of speed/strength play in the past.

I’m shocked he’s a year younger than Ford, though. That really surprised me.

If this mother****er doesn’t sign, I’m going to burn the Markus Golden Chiefs jersey that I had custom made last night

This some sort of nerdy baseball to football comparison I'm not getting or what?

I think it's just because he's got that tiger stink on him but I could be wrong.

I wish. I misspelled the word “nice.”

Have we signed this piece of shit yet?!!?!???

Kpass is gonna shine we don't need this piece of shit

Always liked this dude. High motor. Mizzou Tiger. Plays better than his physical ability.

i can't believe these didn't get more likes, OMG!!

Shine what? Shoes? At the airport?

A Jayhawk football fan talking crap about a Mizzou Tiger fan.....irony.

I guess okafor kills this