That's the point I was making a few days ago. The Avengers are bigger right now in a mainstream sense than they've ever been prior. And it's all recent. Flash back four years ago, how many people outside of geeks like us - meaning regular people - would recognize Iron Man, or know anything about him. Captain America before 2011 had a horrible movie that about 6 people saw in 1990. Some people might have recognized Thor from The Incredible Hulk Returns. But probably not. And I doubt anybody now still has a clue who Black Widow and Hawkeye even are. At the start of this run of movies, the Hulk was it. People know him (sort of) thanks to Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno.

DC characters have had a bigger mainstream presence, and it goes back decades. Batman's had multiple movies and TV series. Superman's had multiple radio shows, tv series and movies. Wonder Woman's had a TV series. Even Flash had a tv series in 1990 (I was one of about 4 people who watched it I think). Ten years ago they tried (and failed...) an all female show with Birds of Prey. Recently they had a shit ton of characters appear on Smallville, everybody from Aquaman to Hawkman to Green Arrow. Green Arrow's had a movie, bad as it was. All this without even talking about the cartoons that have been running basically nonstop on Cartoon Network since 2001 (Justice League, Justice League: Unlimited, Young Justice, Young Justice Invasion) and their predecessor in Bruce Timm's Batman: The Animated Series which ran on Fox back in the early 90s.

I'm not arguing that DC is better than Marvel. I don't have a horse in that race; I enjoy them both. But DC has benefitted for years and years because of their connection with Warner, and their characters have been in the public eye basically forever because of it. On the flip side, Marvel's presence has been centered primarily on the Fantastic Four, Hulk, Spider-Man and the X-Men. Which is not to say that I don't love what they've done to build the Avengers in the last 5 years. They've totally flipped Warner's pre-existing mainstream non-comic advantage on its head, and now they're the big dog. It's a new thing, and hopefully it motivates DC to do something similarly epic in scale outside of what Nolan's done.

Well said, and I touched on it earlier. No one liked Iron Man before Downey Jr and I know most people still couldn't tell you whats so special about Captain America (he doesn't have super powers, he's just a perfect human).

Yep, without Downey, the Avengers is just fanboy appeal and nothing more.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT!

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Green Arrow had a movie?

Not that I can see has been made.

"On January 18, 2012, The CW greenlit the pilot for a proposed Green Arrow series with Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim and Andrew Kreisberg producing. The series, Arrow, will offer a fresh take on the character. Smallville's Justin Hartley will not be involved in the new project. Actor Stephen Amell will portray Oliver Queen/Green Arrow in the pilot. [3][4]

[edit] MovieDavid S. Goyer and Justin Marks penned a script for a movie starring Green Arrow originally called Super Max. On June 5, 2008, the film was retitled Green Arrow: Escape from Super Max. The reported storyline is that the hero (framed for a crime he didn't commit) must escape a high security prison filled with A, B and C list villains and rogue superheroes.

MTV posted an interview with Marks on its site in 2008. Marks says:

It's a very, very awesome prison. I majored in architecture in college, and design is how I actually started in. For 'Super Max,' designing that prison, it had to be the kind of thing that was a character in and of itself...We're in a world where instead of just trying to contain a guy who's really big, you're trying to contain a guy who can — in the case of Icicle — who can freeze things. What kind of a cell would a guy like that need in order to have his powers neutralized? So to escape from Super Max they have got to go through the most elaborate heist we've ever seen, involving superpowers. Because the prison itself kind of has superpowers!

Marks added that Black Canary won't be making an appearance in the film, and that it will include cameos from the Riddler, Lex Luthor and the Joker.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Arrow_in_other_media

According to IMDb, the Super Max movie is still in development.

There is also a Teen Titans movie in development for a 2013 release. Seems pretty close to the gun for them not to have released any info on it yet.

I've only seen the cartoon since my son loved it for a short time. It wasn't too bad and I was suprised that Robin was actually somewhat cool.

No, that was me thinking Green Lantern and typing Green Arrow.

Green Arrow was a major presence on Smallville for years, though, and a new version gets his own show on CW this fall.

I loved that cartoon. I even love those Teen Titan shorts they have during Green Lantern and Young Justice now.

I had totally forgotten about Super Max. I think that one's dead in development hell now.

Personally, I'd rather see a Justice Society movie than a Justice League movie.

The original Green Lantern, the original Flash, Dr. Fate, Dr. Mid-night, Wildcat, Starman, Hourman, the Atom -- throw in the Huntress and Black Canary and you've got a well-balanced team, but no one's overpowered. Especially the last incarnation where half of them were older and the other half were next-gen versions of the heroes. Good strong characters who're more than a touch flawed.

That would be worth watching.

I like that lineup better than Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter and Flash. Face it, those seven could wipe out the world and not break a sweat. Where's the challenge? Who's realistically going to threaten them?

He becomes even cooler when he becomes Nightwing.

He's not a perfect human. Humans do not jump 50ft down out of trees, and blast the sand out of punching bags. He has the strength of 20 men, and is as durable as an Oak tree. You're not going to like this, but him fighting Batman would be like him fighting a 12 yr old. Batman might use some device to take him down, but Batman really IS just a man. Cap is a Super Soldier.

Downey is Awesome casting. CA made 100mil. Thor, More than that. More people may have know who Superman is in the past, but that doesn't mean that they would prefer to watch one of his boring plots over anything Marvel. The Zod story is pretty good, but everything else is just bland.

Nolan made Batman Epic, but That is OVER after this next film, and everything else DC has made besides that has been totally laughable. I can't wait to see them reboot batman without Nolan, and Bale.

Suit nipples anyone?

This probably was true at one time. Not anymore.
Spidey, Wolverine, and all of the Avengers save Cap, Widow, and Hawkeye are all bigger than Superman now, and the only people who might find him more interesting would be under the age of 12. I doubt the new movie will have the chops to change that in the future either with what marvel has planned.
And there are more characters coming.
The only character DC has that is on their level now is Nolan's Batman, and that franchise has ended.