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listopencil 01-21-2013 08:47 PM

Bill Clinton To Dems: Don't Trivialize Gun Culture
By BYRON TAU | 1/19/13 4:55 PM EST Updated: 1/20/13 12:52 PM EST

Former President Bill Clinton warned a group of top Democratic donors at a private Saturday meeting not to underestimate the passions that gun control stirs among many Americans.

“Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.

“A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said. “I know because I come from this world."

Clinton dedicated a substantial portion of his 40-minute address before a joint meeting of the Obama National Finance Committee and a group of business leaders to the issue of guns and gun control, saying that it was a test-case for President Barack Obama’s grass-roots movements.

“The way the Obama campaign won Florida, won Ohio, won this election by more than projected was the combination of technology, social media and personal contact,” Clinton said. That’s “the only way that our side will ever be able to even up the votes in the midterms and as these issues come up, really touch people and talk to them about it.”

Obama begins his second term facing an uphill battle on gun control — an emotional, divisive and difficult issue that the cool and pragmatic Obama would usually avoid.

Obama took 23 executive actions this week to curb gun violence, but his key proposals will need a vote from Congress to become law. With a GOP House unlikely to take up any new gun control measures — and even some Democrats expressing wariness — his only recourse is to make his case directly to the public.

Clinton said that Republicans have been struggling in presidential politics since 1992 — noting that 2004 was the only time a Republican has won the popular vote in more than 20 years. But, he said, the party has been successful in energizing its supporters for midterm elections.

“You have the power to really democratize America,” Clinton said. “You can do it on immigration reform, you can do it on these economic issues. You can do it on implementing the health care bill.”

But, Clinton warned, the issue of guns has a special emotional resonance in many rural states — and simply dismissing pro-gun arguments is counterproductive.

While some polls show that the public by-and-large supports several proposals for increased gun control, Clinton said that it’s not the public support that matters — it’s how strongly people feel about the issue.

“All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said.

Direckshun 01-21-2013 08:50 PM

I'd say that's pretty solid advice.

chiefzilla1501 01-21-2013 08:52 PM

Clinton was a slick politician because he understood how to work with the other side of the aisle.

Obama's approach is to push something the opposition doesn't want, throw a hissy fit, throw the other party under the bus, then push it through anyway. There's a reason why Clinton energized the left in the convention and Obama deflated the energy.

listopencil 01-21-2013 08:53 PM

Clinton is a lot savvier than Obama.

mnchiefsguy 01-21-2013 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9340271)
I'd say that's pretty solid advice.

Too bad Obama will not heed any of it.

Dayze 01-21-2013 08:58 PM

Clinton gets bashed way too much.

Light years better that the shit we've dealt with for the last 12 yrs.

Bravo Bill

cosmo20002 01-21-2013 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9340288)
Too bad Obama will not heed any of it.

Yeah, like when Obama issued that executive order making all guns illegal.

petegz28 01-21-2013 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 9340306)
Yeah, like when Obama issued that executive order making all guns illegal.

Cosmobama doesn't seem to get it. Hopefully Obama will.

ChiefsCountry 01-21-2013 09:14 PM

Because deep down Clinton is still just a good ole boy from Arkansas.

petegz28 01-21-2013 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9340347)
Because deep down Clinton is still just a good ole boy from Arkansas.

Clinton also knows that ****ing with guns is a good way to rally the conservative base thus handing the Left a repeat of 2010.

Bwana 01-21-2013 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9340279)
Clinton is a lot savvier than Obama.

Without question.

listopencil 01-22-2013 02:12 PM

For the purposes of equal time, here's Republican former Governor Arnold Swarzenegger:

Arnold Schwarzenegger Reddit AMA: Former California Governor Delights Redditors With Handwritten Notes

The Huffington Post | By Anna Almendrala Posted: 01/16/2013 1:59 pm EST | Updated: 01/16/2013 4:26 pm EST

Action star and former California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger took to Reddit Tuesday for an AMA -- an "Ask Me Anything" Q&A session with the site's thousands of users.

Schwarzenegger, a self-described moderate Republican, offered a few thoughts on the platform he thinks his party should maintain. "We need to be a party where people know what we are for, not just what we are against," he explained. That means remembering that "Reagan was the one who dealt with the ozone layer with the Montreal protocol" or that "Nixon almost passed universal healthcare," wrote Schwarzenegger. He also challenged the GOP to provide comprehensive immigration reform and "stay out of people's bedrooms."

When asked to name one current American politician who "best embodies what is good about politics," Schwarzenegger encouraged Redditors to research Democratic Mayor Chuck Reed of San Jose, Calif. and his work on pension reform.

"Even though Congress has an approval rating of 9% (and loses to cockroaches and colonoscopies in polling), there are still some leaders who are doing the people's work instead of the partys' [sic] work," wrote Schwarzenegger. "That's political courage to me, being willing to risk your job to choose what's good for the public instead of getting stuck in your ideology."

That answer got props from Reddit user halp_me_pls, who responded, "A republican giving ups to a democrat. You sure know how to reddit Mr. Arnold."

listopencil 01-22-2013 02:14 PM

Here's a link to the Reddit conversation:

LiveSteam 01-22-2013 02:57 PM

Eric Holder to ABC news yesterday I believe

"The threat has changed from simply worrying about foreigners coming here, to worrying about people in the United States, American citizens — raised here, born here, and who for whatever reason, have decided that they are going to become radicalized and take up arms against the nation in which they were born"

listopencil 01-22-2013 03:02 PM

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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