Wait, are we seriously questioning Bolton’s instincts?

It’s easily one of his best qualities.

Now don't hype him up what he's not, the guy will be an average to solid player like Dirty Dan with less athletic ability.

He's not the second coming of Zach Thomas or Mike Singletary

And you know this how?

someone is.

Look, you wanna say he's too short? You can argue that.

Not athletic enough? You can argue that.

Not instinctive?

You're just wrong.

He's also not the second coming of Neiman either. He will probably be better than you think and he was a great value where he was drafted.

This is...not a good football take. At all.

I doubt that , and he's more like Sorenson

What? I see the dumb ****ing take wagon has carried on to Saturday. LMAO

You're seriously comparing a guy with a late first/early second round grade to an undrafted free agent.

That's a really, really dumb take and you should probably just move on now.

Some of you are too ****ing stupid to breathe. What the ****.

You're going to be disappointed if you expect more than that, roleplayer yes but not not expecting anything great.

You just going to keep tripling down on bad football takes?

Ok.

Exactly that's who he plays like

Sorensen was undrafted, this dude has a first round grade

Put the ****ing pipe down :shake:

I watched him for years at Missouri.

I know what to expect. You clearly read a twitter post and think you do, when it's obvious you don't.

I wanted Basham, but I can’t hate this.

Good value at a position of need and a plan for post Hitchens.

Really hard to argue with the logic.

Are you blind?

I'm trying real hard to stay positive and not tell people to climb a burning aids tree every time I'm irritated with their stupidity, but you're really testing my resolve.

So...


Thanks for weighing in! :thumb:

Don’t mind me if I don’t listen to the draft takes of the guy who said we should take a RB in the 2nd round.

I know Mizzou fanboys are expecting the exception to the rule, but I'm not feeling that.

Andy said he had a soft spot for Missouri players....I hope he's as good as ya'll be saying.

Thanks for weighing in! :thumb:

He won't. That's the only thing most of you are going to be disappointed with.

He's going to replace Hitchens. He's going to get the Willie Gay treatment this year, especially with the ongoing COVID issues.

It's funny. I'm not over the moon on the pick but see the logic and long-term upside.

Most of you guys are like ecstatic but expect him to move in right away and take snaps from other guys.

Odd little dynamic going on.

Do you think Willie Gay has good football instincts?

Like I said with Gay, you want to avoid him learning bad habits which guys will develop over time to cover up gaps in their scheme soundness.

Take him along slowly like they did with Gay and he'll be fine. They'll be fine in 2021 without him being a full-time contributor, just like they were last year with Gay.

Come 2022, he'll be ready to take over and the defense will get a younger, true upgrade at the position.

We're not talking about Willie Gay. Him and Bolton would be an apples to oranges sort of comparison.

Exactly.

It isn't flashy but it is solid. Every draft can't be sizzle, sometimes you need some steak.

This is one of the best offseason feelings since Mahomes and better than almost anything that came before.

I think this team got TOUGHER over the last 2 weeks and that's a big, big deal.

It's a simple question.

No. That's why he went late 2nd a year ago.

OK, fair enough.

I think Bolton is going to play more as a rookie than you're thinking.

Gay barely played in college. Bolton's an entirely different situation, and an entirely different player.

I absolutely expect someone with his intellect, experience, and instincts to play more than Gay did.

Possibly but the people thinking he's going to "erase" Niemann are kidding themselves.

With the COVID stuff still somewhat in effect, he's going to get slow-rolled like Gay was. The fact that he has like 3 times the experience will help get him on the field earlier though so he should end up better off than Gay was last year. He still probably ends up 4th in snap counts though.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that he's not going to come in and jump Niemann on the depth chart, definitely not right away, and possibly not at all this season.

People need to temper expectations a bit. That way you're setting yourself to be pleasantly surprised when he exceeds them. Every week last year it was "get Gay on the field" and every week people weren't looking at the big picture.

The reasons for taking Bolton are much more far-reaching than reducing Niemann's snaps and much more important, quite frankly.

I don't agree.

Gay had the misfortune of being raw as hell during a canceled offseason.

Bolton is a lot more pro ready and this offseason won't be 'as' restrictive.

I think he will see a lot of snaps early on as the Damien Wilson replacement, since they never did replace him.

Yes

Gay is Wilson's replacement. He spent the entire season learning Wilson's base and nickel assignments.

And actually we do kind of agree, we're just kind of talking past each other.

I think Bolton gets more snaps than Gay did last year, that's what I was getting at in my previous posts. I'm just saying I don't think he's getting the bulk of the snap anywhere and we're still going to see a lot of Niemann until later on.

I thought the same about Gay, but I'm not so sure anymore.

I wouldn't be opposed to another LB today to give less snaps to Niemann.

This guy plays just like Harrison Butker! It’s who he compares to!!!

Mizzou stud.

I think their goal was to put Neimann where he belongs...on 3rd downs. Neimann is a disaster on early downs. He is way to small and can’t shed blocks

Absolutely this! It feels fresh and it's about DAMN time! I love this new era Chiefs! :thumb:

I think people are worried way too much about Niemann. He’s going to fade out organically as Gay and Bolton get more playing time. Everybody just needs to be patient. It’s not like Niemann cost us a shot at another Lombardi or anything

Niemann is ****ing balls.

His brother was drafted by the Chargers

Maybe they will trade for the other one and unveil the fortress of suck.

And yet they made it to the Super Bowl with him playing over 400 snaps. People are way too worried about something that’s largely meaningless.

They nearly did with ****ing Bob Sutton too but doesn't mean his ass shouldn't have been thrown out Jazz style.

Patience grasshopper. Niemann will be relegated to full backup status in due time. The Chiefs aren’t stupid - they have a plan. But they also had other, bigger needs.

Have I mentioned that the Chiefs have 5 new starting offensive linemen, 3 of which are on cheap rookie contracts? 😎

Nah I get you. I was all team WR at 58 initially.

Niemann getting snaps still or not, Bolton is a us addition.

You didn't watch his tape. Instincts are spectacular.
Sometimes when you get it wrong you're in a really bad spot, but look how often he'll get the opposition in second and long, third and long....

He's a gun.

Will take time to see if he lives up to press. Hope he is and no another Mizzou home boy who is like third string

Sir Nick the Flayer, of House Bolton.

Poor guy fell off the first page

I’m not over the moon about this pick but I see the value in it.

Bolton is a smart, hard-working, driven, instinctual guy. He didn’t have a lot of protection in college (spent his entire career with the DT in front of him getting worked by opposing OL in conference play) but still was highly productive.

He called at least 3 different defenses in college, too. Should get installs quickly.

And more importantly, it should let them comfortably move on from Hitchens. Less help in 21 than someone like Cox, but probably more long-term value.

Poor receiver just got dragged down, like the two Vols players that got knocked out of the game. Who knew a good dragging could be so violent?

I think very few here had even heard of Speaks, not just because he was from Ol' Miss, but because he wasn't very distinguished. Bolton was the SEC leading tackler in 2019 and 2-Time All-SEC with a mediocre D-line. Very different body of work coming in.

Also many people had Breeland Speaks graded into the 4th or even 5th round. Veach thought he was a 2nd rounder.

I don't think there's anybody out there who said, "Nick Bolton... wait until around the 5th round if you want this guy..."

I have my issues but lol at him being anything like Speaks.

Bolton was projected as a 1st round pick after the 2019 season coming into the 2020 season. No way is he like Speaks. Damn some of you are ****ing reeruned.

I had hopes of JOK or Zaven falling to us.


Laughable now in retrospect. Clearly Arizona saw what I saw in Zaven, just an absolute monster. Yet another LB that's going to put up insane numbers in Glendale.


That said, Bolton could be great. He may be small and his 3 cone might not wow anybody but he's got a lion's heart kind of like Mathieu. Man I was wrong about Honey Badger, I still don't know how he does it.

Yep...you don't have to run a 4.4 when you can easily diagnose the play and see where the hole is. That's NBs stock-in-trade.

What the **** is Zaven going to play? MLB? He’s 270 lbs now and they just took Simmons high last year.

Several of us had heard of Speaks. He was a consensus 2nd-team All-SEC player his senior season and was actually pretty productive while playing both DT and DE.

Collins at 17 or Bolton at 58.

ROFL

It isn’t even a discussion. The Cardinals have lost their minds

If you’re looking for an off ball linebacker I wouldn’t take Collins

I think he can play that hybrid de lb like they did with Reddick so that makes some sense

As for his speed... I don’t recall that ever being a real issue in college, and he was used in coverage a lot.

Like most MLB, if a speedy RB gets isolated on him on a wheel or streak, Bolton doesn’t have the speed to stay with him 50 yards downfield.

We should re-sign Justin Houston to do the covering 50 yards down the field.

(**** you, Bob Sutton)

I CHOOSE VIOLENCE.

If you listen to Kent and the other AP draft guys they were almost in tears about us getting Bolton (and Creed) lol it's just pathetic :D . According to them he's just a "two down back who does what Hitchens does"...smh and these guys do draft guides for Chiefs fans??? Yes Nick is not an all world guy in coverage yet but he certainly has shown the talent to cover his man and get ints so I don't know what they are talking about. Infact Zerline from nfl draft rated Bolton higher than he did Darius Leonard and says he's a three down back so we'll see who is right in the end.

They’re kinda right though. Bolton does most things well. He isn’t great at anything physically and when you see him on tape. He’s a high floor, low ceiling player.

I guess you could say he’s very smart and that’s fine, but so is Hitchens and he’s kinda just there.

I think Gay has way more potential

He’s absolutely great at playing downhill and knocking people the **** out.

To just shrug off the mental aspect is reeruned. The coaches have always spoken about Hitchens intelligence and ability to be a coach on the field since day 1. It’s extremely valuable for them, and it’s obvious why.

Bolton also has much more upside than Hitchens. He plays a lot faster/quicker, and he’s already probably better in coverage. His ball skills are also significantly better, so I’d expect him to make more plays in coverage than Hitchens ever has.

Would you rather pay Hitchens type of money again or get a much cheaper option with more upside on a rookie deal? It’s a position that had to be addressed this year or next, so I really don’t understand what the issue is at all.

Those clowns do not know jack about football. Why anyone would care about their opinion us beyond me. He's absolutely a 3 down backer.

They aren't right...at all. It's like they either haven't seen him play or most likely gave no ****ing clue what they are looking at. We got our Darius Leonard type .

They said the same thing about Mathieu.

Sometimes guys are just really good at football.

Bolton isn't a workout warrior, which is why he was available when we picked.

I CHOOSE VIOLENCE!!!!

His game speed is fine. Was a great pick.

But but but the 3 cone :whackit:

I'm a proud Mizzou fan today. Drink is slowly changing the culture and I'm looking forward to seeing them produce multiple NFL players like they used to.

I would be interested to see the rating of Bolton’s play speed - similar to what they did with Waddle last year.

I suspect he’d retain more of his speed in pads than most LBs just from watching him play.

I saw him play 30ish SEC games and don’t think he ever looked slow.

His 2020 tape also probably lies a little bit about him - he played the last several games with a nagging lower body injury and also had a pretty weak DL in front of him.