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'Hamas' Jenkins 05-22-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9699947)
Wait, a guy in your league dropped Gyorko LAST WEEK?

Is that guy f***ing high?
.323/.389/.585 in May for Gyorko.

He pulled Heyward off the DL. I couldn't believe the stupidity of the move. I was lucky enough to know that since Gyorko doesn't have a ton of HRs yet he'd probably be overlooked on the wire.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-22-2013 02:44 PM

Jaime is officially done. He's finally going to have the surgery he should have had last year.

Pepe Silvia 05-22-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699937)

There wasn't enough Oh ****s with this pic so I'll just add another, Oh ****. :shake:

BigRedChief 05-22-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9699254)
Descalso was useful for once. Huh.

Once
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/video/IVA/thumb/3023

BigRedChief 05-22-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9700633)
Jaime is officially done. He's finally going to have the surgery he should have had last year.

I'm fine if he never returns. You just never knew what he was going to do out there on any given day.

BigRedChief 05-22-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerinMo (Post 9700666)
There wasn't enough Oh ****s with this pic so I'll just add another, Oh ****. :shake:

What about...........What the ****?:shake:

BigRedChief 05-22-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9700470)

I loved those guys (except for Maris)

Pepe Silvia 05-22-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9700961)
What about...........What the ****?:shake:

SI Curse.

whoman69 05-22-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9700958)

The end of Joe Piscapo's career and the beginning of Michael Keaton's. Odd how that happened.

BigRedChief 05-22-2013 06:43 PM

Wacha Clock Explained from STLToday

WHAT IT ALL MEANS FOR WACHA
I’m trying to put all this in the most accessible terms possible, offering up a verbal flow chart – so to speak – of the mechanisms in place. Examples help. Let’s consider Michael Wacha.


The Cardinals’ top pitching prospect came to the club as the 19th overall pick last summer. Let’s follow his progress through the steps mentioned above …


40-man roster: As a college junior he was older than 19 at the time of the draft, so he has four Rule 5 drafts before he’s eligible for his first one. That means 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 have to pass before he needs to go on the 40-man roster.


Options: It won’t take that long. So, if Wacha is added to the 40-man roster and then sent back to Class AAA at any point this summer, 2013 will be the first of his three option seasons. No one expects him to use all three. In fact, if the Cardinals wait until, say, September to promote Wacha and put him on the 40-man roster then – as they did for Miller and Adam Wainwright – he’ll stay on it all winter. And if he makes the team out of spring training in 2014 he won’t have spent an option at all.
Super Two and Arbitration: Of course, when Wacha reaches the majors his clock starts ticking. In theory, a major-league team has control of a player for 13 years. The four years after the draft and before the 40-man roster, the three option years, and then the six years of service time before free agency. The better the player, the more that clock speeds up because the quicker he gets on the 40-man roster and the quicker he starts accumulating service time in the majors.


The Super Two concern is all about the salary a player can command, not the free agency he can achieve. What bringing up a player now does is puts him in line to reach Super Two status and gain a fourth year of arbitration eligibility.


If Wacha arrived today to pitch tonight and stayed in the majors from now on, he would reach arbitration eligibility before the 2016 season. He will then be eligible in 2017, 2018 and then 2019 before reaching free agency after that year. (There is no Super Five, so if a player hits six years of service time in April or August it’s all the same. Free agency arrives at the end of the season.) A prospect who arrives in August of this season and remains in the majors will be first eligible for arbitration in 2017.


Free Agency: If Wacha starts the 2014 in the rotation or joins it before then, free agency will arrive after he has at least six years of service of time. That will hit after 2019 season.
This is where the formality of all these rules and clauses and clocks comes crashing into reality.


For the elite players, they rarely matter. Allen Craig’s clock doesn’t tick so loud because the team negotiated an extension with him that swallows whole his arbitration years. The Cardinals did the same with Wainwright before that and Albert Pujols before that. Yes, arbitration eligibility does frame each of those extensions. Craig’s salary spikes every year to reflect the arbitration process. A player with an extra year of arbitration rights – a Super Two player – would not only have the leverage for an extension earlier but have those four years of escalators in place.
In that way, five days does matter.


But not as much as you may think.


For many contending teams, one earlier and extra year of arbitration is a palatable exchange for the return on another month or two with an elite player on the roster. The cost isn't as high as the perceived angst.

Mi_chief_fan 05-23-2013 05:24 AM

Reds get the Cubs again this weekend; hopefully, they'll begin the MLB part of their schedule soon they've had a lot of Cubs & Marlins already.

Frazod 05-23-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 9702532)
Reds get the Cubs again this weekend; hopefully, they'll begin the MLB part of their schedule soon they've had a lot of Cubs & Marlins already.

Seriously. Seems like every game they play lately is against a floundering team that's 10 games under.

Thig Lyfe 05-23-2013 09:41 AM

hey guys baseball is cool huh

Swanman 05-23-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9702790)
Seriously. Seems like every game they play lately is against a floundering team that's 10 games under.

Not surprisingly, according to ESPN's strength of schedule, the Cards are near the top and the Reds are near the bottom. I don't like having only a 1.5 game lead but in the big picture the Reds have been feasting on bad teams for the better part of the season so far. The Cards just need to keep up until the schedules even out.

Frazod 05-23-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 9702946)
Not surprisingly, according to ESPN's strength of schedule, the Cards are near the top and the Reds are near the bottom. I don't like having only a 1.5 game lead but in the big picture the Reds have been feasting on bad teams for the better part of the season so far. The Cards just need to keep up until the schedules even out.

They've pretty much been been owned by the good teams they've played - it looks like they've only won one series against a club with a winning record.


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