Sarcasm radar on the fritz?

I'm keeping my mouth shut. Ya'll have fun arguing about Frank Clark. Anything I say about Clark makes me look like an idiot at this point, so whatever.

That sack was hilarious.

Yes it was LMAO

Good ****ing God. He lucked into a sack, so that makes up for his complete shit game? I'm not sure why people keep saying "he gets double teamed every play!!!", because I made sure to specifically watch him every chance I could and saw one time where he was engaged with the olineman and was chopped by another. That was the only double team I saw. What I did see a lot of was him getting dominated by the OT and some shit effort. He didn't do shit against the run either. Ogbah and Kpass were both much more productive than him. He got paid $100 million and so far he can't even outplay the back ups.

If we ****ing don't sign Jones because we wasted money and draft picks on Clark, then Veach needs fired. I'm glad we didn't sign Dee Ford, but should have let him play on the franchise tag or better yet, we should have kept Justin Houston. This D would have been so much better with Houston or Ford and a 1st round CB. I can't believe that so many of you are just giving him a pass when he has had 3 average to below average games. He's making $21 million this year. He's being paid like one of the best defenders in the league and he's being outplayed by every single player on the dline. As Eric Winston would say, it's thickening.

You’re a right miserable ****, mate.

So did you think he had a good game?

Oh yeah he made such a spectacular play on that int :rolleyes:.

No.

Doesn’t detract from your ****yness.

Did you even see that INT?

I swear I've never seen such low expectations for a top paid player ever.

So I'm a **** for saying something you agree with?

Dee Ford used to run backwards and cost us a trip to the superbowl and still people would prefer him to this guy. Says a lot

Clark has been a big dissapointment thus far. He was practically useless today. Like he was coasting on every single play.

Agree 100% Million bucks a game and does very little, very ****ing little! What the hell happened? I thought he could play...

I'm going to wait and see on Clark. He's underwhelmed thus far (as has Matthieu, by the way), but I've watched him a bit and, I mean, it's not like he's not trying. He's getting chipped and doubled from time to time; we've played a couple teams who were clearly trying to get the ball out quickly to negate the pass rush, and now we've played a team with a RBQB in which an end's priority will be containment over pass rush. He's holding his own against the run at the point of attack (didn't pay much attention to him today, admittedly) and getting his hands up to disrupt throwing lanes- but he's not getting home on the pass rush.

I guess we'll know more as the season continues but early returns haven't been promising.

He's miserable because he says Clark sucks? I know there are a lot of you holding onto some tiny sliver of hope that we didn't blow a 1st rounder and $100 million on a dude that "almost made a really good play" and "gets double teamed every play", but that doesn't mean King is miserable for pointing out how shitty the highest paid player on the team is playing.

A bunch of you get so offended by any criticism of Clark that now you crawl inside your shell and have devolved into parrots that shriek the same boring shit "he gets double teamed!" or "just wait he gets sacks in bunches!". Quit being such homers.

3 tackles

2 solo

1 for a loss, with a beastly looking sack thrown in for good measure in a winning effort

Everyone please take a deep breath with me, and say... gooozfrahbah

Spot on. And his injuries continue.

He got doubled 1 time today. None of the other guys seem to be effected by the reasons why Clark sucks. At times he really does look like he's not trying tbh.

A beastly looking sack? Lol him not being able to tackle the QB is now beastly?

You know a player is playing bad when Rain Man is in the game thread saying he should be taken out of the game for shitty effort.

Eh, I admitted that I didn't watch him much today, but I'll give him a pass regardless. Playing against Lamar Jackson you want to keep him in the pocket. Force him to be an NFL QB. The DL did a great job of keeping him corralled and still applying a bit of pressure to make him uncomfortable.

I will say, based on the eye test, he just looks like another one of our DEs. He's not separating himself from Okafor, Ogbah or Kpassagnon, which is slightly concerning.

If all things were even, like they were both paid the same and neither of them cost us a first rounder and second rounder, then yeah I'd take Clark. But as we all know one of those guys make $21 million a year and cost a 1st and 2nd round draft pick and the other would have been making like $15 million and we'd still have those draft picks.

That's my thing. I got screamed at and accused of just looking at sack numbers. "Look at the games, not the stats!" Believe me, I watched the Jacksonville game. I watched this game. There are too many plays where he's just inept. I don't know if that's effort or what. That's just what my eyes tell me. At the very least, for what we paid, those should be what Seth Keyser calls "wash" plays where he stalemates his blockers.

BUT... I'm still going to give him time. It's frustrating that I have to give time to a guy we paid this much and gave this much up for, but it is what it is.

He sure as **** doesn't look like the Frank Clark that destroyed our OL on Sunday night last year, that's for sure.

He could’ve smashed Jackson to the ground like a ****ing grizzly bear riding his back, but laid off to avoid a penalty... smarten up!

the entire dline played fine today. gotta rush in control and collapse while staying in your lane vs a running talent like lamar. ends cant cross the tackles face unless there is someone in the outside lane already. aside from two hail mary ducks, they did a pretty good job containing lamar. gotta see the film on some of the big ingram runs up the middle to see the entire picture.

This. Good job of not getting a roughing penalty and not letting LJ throw the ball. You see it every week where the defense has the QB in the grasp but the officials let the QB get rid of the ball and a completion happens. And if you take the QB down you get flagged.

I'm starting to wonder if he has some kind of undisclosed but non-major injury in his upper body. Something just doesn't feel quite right, watching him move.

But I also think he's doing his job. You can't really judge him against what Ford did when Dee's sole responsibility was rushing the passer. That's literally all he could do. He couldn't hold up against the run and he couldn't cover anybody. He literally did one thing. He was a rushbacker. Whereas Clark's holding the edge well, the linebackers are generally getting cleaner gaps, they kept Jackson largely contained in the running game today, and he started showing some pressure in the pass rush.

I could see that. What was his injury this preseason again? His wrist or something like that?

This. When he was on Lamar's back and Jackson started to run, I was screaming at the TV, "DON'T PICK HIM UP AND THROW HIM TO THE GROUND!"

Yeah, wrist I think.

Two teams went with the short passes all day. One team has the most athletic QB in the game.

Playing Stafford should be a better match up for Clark.

This place is full of whiny bitches. We won today. We're 3-0, but some of you would rather bitch about Clark than enjoy the ride. Idk wtf is wrong with some of you. Get over it. He's a Chief, like it or not. Be glad that Ogbah is stepping up on a cheap contract to offset it.

Who's more of a whiney bitch? The whiney bitch or the whiney bitch who whines about the whiney bitch?

Hope everyone is just as vehement in their praise when he gets his 10+ sacks, shows up big in a playoff game, etc.

Which reminds me. I have to check the McCoy thread and see if anyone's still calling him 'washed up.'

Hello there!

Whichever one thinks the earth is 600 years old.

The ref was standing right there in his face like 3 feet away tops, it was savvy to not go for the highlight slam no doubt

I expect to see effort, and I saw two critical plays where Frank completely sandbagged the play. On one, he got knocked to the ground and never even tried to get up even though the quarterback was dancing around a couple of feet away. It was inexcusable.

Doubled and still almost gets the sack, but a receiver playing QB gets away just like he would any other DE.

But hey Clark didn’t do anything today except the lone sack

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What about Clark against Carr then?

Knocked flat on his ass, still there to make the play coming back to him

I didn’t catch that in game, and my money says everyone dogging him misses those same kind of no glamor plays that affect everything else

Our tackling is still atrocious especially in the run defense.

Kind of hilarious to read this thread, then check out Ravens forums to see all the people who think Clark wrecked their OL all game.

We'll, let's just compare the post counts on the subject. Me with 2, the Clark haters with more than I want to count. I do believe that makes the Clark haters the who ier bitches.

I would lean more towards their opinions on Clark. The mouth breathers here think he is a bust because he doesn’t have 10 sacks already.

Please link. I didn't feel that way, but maybe I missed something.

Clark spied on Jackson quite a bit.

I thought overall they pressured him as well as they could have. This dude has been tearing up the NFL.

It’s not shocking they made closer than it should have been.

I hate these kinds of threads... Pass rushers go through streaks, and Frank Clark does a lot more than just generate sacks. He plays the run, and he frees up linebackers...

LOL Thought the same when I was on Reddit earlier. Wasn't the Ravens subreddit, just /r/NFL, but they were talking about how our defense was applying pressure to Jackson all game. Some dude commented how Clark was a great pickup for us and it had over 50 upvotes.

No, he literally looked like a pussy trying to tackle Ingram. Sacks or not, he doesn’t seem to show out like Houston did. Hell even Kpassingnon and Ogbah are looking better.

Here's a taste:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...rting/f151np9/

Clark is a leader and brings attitude. Worth every penny.

Is that worth 100million and a 1st and 2nd round draft pick?


If we're going to be shitty against the run anyway which we are, I'd rather have our 1st and 2nd round picks back and Dee Ford.

He was getting pressure on Foles till Foles got hurt, then the defense “mush rushed” Minshew because he’s mobile and they wanted to keep him contained.

Clark was also tasked with contain on LJ and did a good job of not letting him get loose for big gains and not letting the running game get outside.

Sometimes the game plan can make it appear like a player isn’t being aggressive enough when they are doing their job.

4-5 pass hurries today and 1.5 sacks? If that's correct why you mad?

And how many plays is he opening up for others by drawing attention?

How I'm leaning. I need Clark to be a Khalil Mack for what we gave up. So far haven't seen it.

I HATE WINNING :deevee:

Go to bed, junior

It will come.

Ford is Lin Elliott to me. Will never forgive him for being offsides.

I am holding out judgement til playoff performance.

FYP.

We desperately needed to get the Dee Ford stench off this team. A message had to be sent.

What attitude have you seen from our defense?

I've literally said nothing like that. Just because we're winning doesn't mean we're not underperforming in some areas. I thought we learned that the last 7 years.

Here’s today’s game plan:

Keep Jackson contained in the pocket and take away the tight end.

And it worked.

Chubb and Von still have zero sacks this year. Mack has two sacks and a FF, Clark has 1.5 and a pick. All have around the same combined and solo tackles I believe. Stop making this shit out to be so black and white. The dline performed fine today given the task of keeping the most mobile-explosive QB in the NFL from taking a read option to the house because a dend wanted to scrape hard and got pinned.

Seriously? You don't see a difference?

Yeah I agree. I think after his major **** up they had to get rid of him. I was just using him as an example. Either him or Houston would work.

No I saw it, but he's getting paid $21 mil/year. I think the bar has to be set a little higher than him almost making a play. It's almost as bad as all the Alex Smith ballwashers and their alexcuses. It's like when people would blame the O-Line and say things like "Well if the line have him time to throw!", then Patrick Mahomes comes in with the same line and makes Fischer an all pro. Some of you are doing the same thing with Clark, "it's hot out", "it's a new scheme", "he's being double teamed", but that stuff doesn't seem to hinder anyone else on the D Line. Emmanuel Ogbah, Kpass, and Alex Okafor are all backups and they're all as productive or more productive than Clark. That's horrible considering the contracts of everyone on the D line and how much theyre making this year.

Ogbah - $2.1 million
Okafor - $6 million
Jones - $1.2 million
Nnadi - $1 million
KPass - $1.2 million
Saunders - $1 million
Total - $12.5 million this year

Frank "I Get Double Teamed" Clark - $21 million

So we're paying the $33.5 million this year on D Line and Clark accounts for 67% of that. It's not a good thing if your highest paid defensive lineman (highest paid player on the team) is the least productive player on that line. Hell he's probably the least productive starter on defense. Wards made a few decent plays compared to Clark's sack, a TFL, and an int. But I will give him credit for having the most "almost made plays".

Seeing as how we're on the bottom half of sacks in the league... You tell me.

THIS! I don't get why people in this thread continue to act like expectations aren't a thing. If you're traded for a first AND second round pick and given the contract he was given, then sorry, expectations for you tend to be a lot higher than getting double teamed. If we got Jalen Ramsey for a 1st plus other picks them expectations for him would be higher than the other corners on the team. When we give Mahomes his megadeal, expectations for him will be to maintain his current level of play. If he goes down to Alex Smith levels of play, would people be saying "he takes real good care of the ball", "We're still winning so stop bitching!"?

I just don't get why people can't realize the investment that the chiefs gave for Clark and what the ROI should be.

Yeah, I don't get why I'm being a whiner for pointing out that we wasted alot of resources on Clark if he doesn't start playing better. All of our other d lineman are just as productive. Clark needs to be playing at a DPOY level for what we paid for him, but he's producing at the levels that you would expect from a back up player. Hell we could have just signed another guy off the streets and gotten a CB in the draft and could have 3 picks in the 1st 2 rounds next year. I honestly can't believe so many people don't understand this.

Oh they can understand it dlp, but what you don't seem to understand is the Chiefs are only three games into the season... It's too early for this for this debate, just enjoy the wins for now until the defense gels.

I couldn’t imagine getting this worked up over such a small sample size when we’re 3-0 and the defense already looks improved LMAO

It's very early ... very, but Houston's numbers are better.

Clark has 2 sacks today on any QB not named Lamar Jackson - no one else in the league jukes out of sacks like this guy.

https://i.imgur.com/6CCtm4e.jpg

Are you sure they are worked up or are they just talking shit about football?

Anyone who thinks he sucks is an idiot and I'll never listen to another football take from you morons.

Not worked up at all. You realize this is a Chiefs message board? I'm discussing a Chiefs player that I have not been satisfied with. It would seem like the people that are getting worked up are the ones that are getting offended by any criticism of FC. That's typical and expected on here.

There are some posters on here that are incapable of having an actual discussion, so they resort to name calling. The name calling is sometimes warranted, but if you're going to call someone an idiot, then provide some kind of evidence, like stats for example, to prove why that person is an idiot.

Another thing, I know it's early and I think/hope that Frank will start playing like the guy we traded for and signed to a huge contract, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized. No one is an idiot for pointing out that he has played pretty shitty. When people are defending him by saying he almost did something, using the weather or field condition as an excuse, or saying that he's double teamed alot, then that should be enough evidence to prove that he's not playing up to expectation.

One last thing, when he does start to play like he is expected to play, that doesn't mean anyone that is being critical of him now is an idiot. It seems this concept is hard for some people to grasp.

His PFF grade is 56.0 in other words he sucks ass