Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8748595)

I would think by looking at his 2010 numbers that Cassel can get him the ball in the end zone. It's the yards getting there thats the problem.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8748614)

What's funny is my argument against Bowe is a carbon copy of your argument against Pioli, and you tore it apart. Difference is you dislike Pioli, not Bowe.

Bowe gets to use the SHIT QB as an excuse, but Pioli can't use that or the injury of 3 INCREDIBLY important starters for the entire season.

Yes I realize Pioli traded for Cassel, that is his one and only major mistake as GM. I have believed since the beginning though, that Cassel is a stop gap until we find something better. Doesn't it seem as though Pioli is building up the roster to insert a green QB into a best case scenario? Worked pretty well for Sanchez.

Pioli doesn't get any slack for the 2009 draft, which was scouted by someone else's staff for a completely different system. Even though he's nailed the draft ever since. Building one of the best top to bottom rosters in the league save the QB.

No slack for the QB, even though he's really had no other options(none better anyway) available to him. Outside of Manning, who doesn't want to play for the guys who used to cheat against him.

No slack on his record as GM, even though injuries alone cost us more than enough games to get us into the playoffs last year. Or, that his first year here, he took over a 2-14 roster, which was destined to fail his first year as GM.

Now, b/c he won't pay your favorite player 100 million dollars, he's a big meanie.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8748574)

:facepalm:

He didn't rack up the 10th most yardage and 6th most TD's among ALL WIDE RECEIVERS OVER FIVE YEARS due to ONE SEASON.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8748614)

Yes I realize Pioli traded for Cassel, that is his one and only major mistake as GM.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8748622)

Correct. I don't believe that Bowe orchestrated the trade to acquire Cassel.

Cassel is the proverbial stopgap to no where.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8748631)

Other than the time nobody wanted to give him a fourth rounder for Jamaal Charles.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8748640)

Bowe had 7 TDs in '08, which is pretty impressive considering that Thigpen literally had to ask permission to look at anyone other than Gonzo.

How in the hell we're knocking a WR who came in the league and kicked ass from day one is remarkable. But Haley "fixed" him.

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8748644)

I think some say Bowe doesn't deserve the money because of his goose egg in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8748649)

We're not knocking, just debating his value. I love Bowe and hope to God we can keep him, someone has to be the voice of reason.

So, all of you who want Pioli fired for this, would you pay Bowe 100 million dollars?

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8748649)

So, all of you who want Pioli fired for this, would you pay Bowe 100 million dollars?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8748656)

He's not going to get $100M guaranteed, and guaranteed money is all that matters.

If we sign him to a 8 year $100M contract and it makes headlines, whatever. What's the guaranteed amount? Everything else is bullshit.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8748641)

Did anyone know what Charles was at that point? Other than a fumble machine? I wouldn't have sought out a trade based on potential, but fumbles are hard to get rid of. Luckily, we found someone who seems to have done a great job with Charles.