Warped view of LJ's performance thus far.
I havent seen anything in writing quite like this. Someone wrote in to S.I. and asked Ryan Houston, Special to SI.com, a fantasy question:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...bag/index.html " After seeing what happened during Week 1, would it be crazy for me to start Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at the same time? I have read that they will alternate series' 2 to 1. I have Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, and Lamar Gordon also. Does this seem like a bad idea? -- Paul "On our radio show we received calls about this all day. Everyone is very concerned what kind of impact Larry Johnson is going to make on Priest Holmes' numbers this season. I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter. Sure he had two TDs but how often is Larry Johnson going to turn nine carries into 110 yards and two TDs? Holmes was the focal point of the offense and will be as long as he can stay healthy." Excuse me, but wouldnt THAT (getting 110 and 2TD's on 9 carries) be enough to show that a guy just MIGHT be decent enough to be an every week starter?? Who is this clown? |
I'm betting it's al north. He thinks LJ should "prove himself " for three more years.
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I agree with him. With Priest Holmes starting, Johnson's performance last week may be an aberration. Or it may not. If Priest hadn't taken himself out after his 35 yard run, he would've scored that TD, and his numbers would've been 120 yards and 2 TD, and Johnson's would've been 75 yards and a score. It just happened to go the way it did. It may not go that way all the time.
Right now, I'm not sure I'd start either of them. I really don't like RBbC situations in a fantasy setting. You can never be sure which RB will get the scores. As a KC fan, on gameday, I love it. |
I think what he means is, how often do running backs have 10+ YPC... and score on almost 30% of their carries...
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That run in the 4th Q where he was running through guys, makes a spin move, and nearly makes it to the EZ. I watched it over and over. LJ is a great RB, this loser is a TOOL...
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In my opinion there is no disputing the fact that LJ would be a starter ANYWHERE in this league if given the opportunity (and assuming the position isnt already filled by a stud). I foresee what has happened in St. Louis also happening in KC eventually: Priest will give up his starting spot to the young horse. I would feel just fine if we ended up having to lean on LJ if Priest couldnt play. This guy wasnt just giving fantasy advice.
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Yeah, because LJ didn't break off an obscene amount of yardage on a minimal amount of carries last year or anything. :rolleyes:
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This is such a horrible problem to have. I'm sure teams that struggle running the ball have boatloads of sympathy for us...
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LJ's performance has been consistent. For anyone to suggest that last week was an abberation is to ignore his entire history. |
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I'm not arguing that Priest is better than Johnson as a runningback. That's irrelevant. Priest is the starter, and will get more touches, hence more opportunities to score, in a fantasy setting. If the Chiefs eventually give Johnson the lion's share of the carries, than all that reverses. I'm being pragmatic, not judgemental. |
I agree. I've come to the conclusion that both do things better than the other one does, if that makes sense.
I believe LJ would have been tackled short of the goal line on Priest's TD last week (although technically Priest WAS). |
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The aberration last week was that Johnson scored a TD on one of Priest's drives. I have no doubt about Johnson's abilities or capabilities, what I'm questioning -- as a fantasy player -- is his opportunities. That's all. |
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Agreed. Im not willing to try to throw out the old dog just because the young pup has shown a few flashes of brilliance just yet. Priest is the starter and he deserves it. No LJ and Priest has a field day against the Jets last week too...both backs would have done well. LJ's time will come. |
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LJ is faster and stronger. But Priest is, at this time, still more patient, and more determined in the red zone. |
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As an owner of LJ in 3 seperate leagues I still have him riding the bench even though he outscored all my other rb's last week.I'm just not ready to give up 20+ touches by a #1 starter for the possibility of 10 or so carries by LJ.
Like someone already said as a KC Homer even if LJ does go off and he's on my bench, it's all good. |
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I'm starting Priest and LJ this week in the same league. But only because of the cloud surrounding the Donks backfield. :shake:
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Injuries can happen to anyone at anytime...no preventing or predicting them. Priests injuries havent been "wear down" type of injuries. If he was just getting tired and couldnt handle his duties at the end of the year I would agree with you....but nope, it wasnt like that. When Priest was uninjured he performed well. Period. The NON-injured parts of the last three years proves that. |
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Some of you people act like Priest is a sloth out there. He had a 35 yard run last week, he had a couple 30+ yard runs last year, he ran 50 some odd yards against the Colts defense off a screen pass last year. The guy can still run.
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LJ's stats in the game against the Titans last year:
7 carries for 104 yards and two TDs. |
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Hey Skip did you know that with 2 td's tomorrow night LJ will tie john Riggins' record for consecutive games with 2 td's?
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When LJ breaks a long one notice how the defenders frantically attempt to adjust their angles at the last second. He outruns their angles. He makes it look simple. He always has. What is Priest's longest TD run as a chief and why doesn't the offensive line block as well for him as they do for Larry? I suppose Priest would have scored on LJ's 97yarder in preseason? But of course all the credit goes to the line on that one, too. If that is going to be your assertion every time LJ makes a long run look easy, you are going to be singing that tune a lot. |
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PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS? |
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Priest's TD was an example of his determination. |
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Priest has the wheels for that run. What he doesn't have is the speed to take it another 30 yards, and it doesn't have anything to do with his age; he's never had breakaway speed. LJ does. Priest has never had breakaway speed. LJ does. Got that? Do I need to say it again? Priest has never had breakaway speed. LJ does. For the third time on the thread, I will say that the subject here is about FANTASY fucking football. It's not about whether Holmes or Johnson is a better runningback than the other. It's about which one will touch the ball more often, and as long as Priest is the starter -- which he is -- he's going to touch the ball. That doesn't mean Larry sucks. That doesn't mean Larry won't score. That doesn't mean Larry won't make amazing plays. All it means is that Priest is the starter and will have more opportunities. Now quit wasting my time with silly bullshit. |
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Personally I find it quite amusing that we as Chiefs fans would give a fock who's running the ball as long as we're moving the chains and crossing the stripe. :toast:
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Where does it say this is about fantasy football? I wouldn't be on this thread if I'd known that. I never post on those threads.
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Priest is really going to be motivated by all this. I can't wait to see him really bust out in one game.
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Did you or did you not contend that? That is the only thing I tried to say. And that is specifically what I questioned. All that other stuff you're saying that I'm ignoring is a bunch of hooey because I didn't say you said any of that stuff. |
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Skip, while I somewhat agree with your position, you should get your facts straight. Priest made it through 2003. He didn't make it through 2002 or 2004.
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I pointed that out about 15 minutes ago. |
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This is a guy asking a "fantasy expert" if he'd be crazy to start both Priest and LJ ahead of guys like Steven Jackson, Brandon Jacobs and Lamar Gordon. |
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I hear ya' ...had to give you some crap though. |
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FFL aside. I think LJ is the better pure runner as far as speed and power are concerned. However, I think Priest is the better back to base our offensive scheme on with his patience, slashing, cutbacks, screens, etc. All of that sets upt the rest of the offense.
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"I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter."
This guy is a total strokestick. Johnson would start on MOST teams in the NFL. |
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Would love to have you in my fantasy league.. Hell i would trade you a kicker and a defense for both of them in a fantasy league... They both will have great fantasy years... |
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No, but 75ypgs and 1td a week is great for other starters in FFL... |
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I think Priest and Larry could each have nice fantasy seasons, if you look at the raw numbers when the year is over. But they'll hurt each other in a fantasy sense, and I think one or both of them could drastically rise and fall in their week-to-week production (Johnson, probably, unless he ends up taking the starting job). You're not going to get Priest Holmes' gargantuan numbers of the last few years doubled, you're getting them divided between two players. So if you play them both, you're getting the equivalent of one vintage Priest. And if you decide to play one or the other, and not both, you never really know which one is going to score, you never know which one is going to get big yards. And we aren't going to score all our points on the ground. We won't have 3 rushing TDs per week, we won't rush for 200 yards/week. Green will have his 25 TDs and 3500-4500 yards. People are excited by week one. And they should be, it was great production, both fantasy and real. But I think it's a mistake to expect to see that kind of fantasy scoring from both of them all year. They'd both have to stay healthy, and they'd either have to split the carries/catches/TDs down the middle, or LJ would have to continue to rush at a 10+ ypc clip. Now, I'm not saying it can't happen. It could. And if it does, it'll be historic. |
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but realistically priest can easily get 1300total yards and 20tds and LJ can get 900total yards and 15tds with this offense... That is starting fantasy value for running backs in most leagues as long as you do not do some 8team shit... |
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Don't forget we'll have to pass the ball, if for no other reason than to make teams respect our ability to do so.
I think for Johnson to get the kind of premeire production you seem to expect, Priest will have to either be injured or be replaced in the starting lineup. If they continue with the 2/1 drive ratio, Johnson just won't get enough touches to score 15 times. |
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I have already made a beat with a couple of Donk fans that are friends of mine(remember that our O went conserviate in the second half last week) that the Chiefs will set a new record this year if no one else gets hurt... Our offense is set up to where we can have 2 1000yard rushers 2 1000yard recieivers 1 4000yard passer I honestly believe we can do it... Our offense sucked last week for half the game because of injuries... Hell trent was on pace for 300 yards before the loss of Roaf and that is with our rushing attack... If we have no more setbacks this Offense will be a miracle in action... |
I have been watching football for 50 years and there has been an adage all that time that if you run a successful play, you keep running it till they prove they can stop it. Then you run it to the other side till they prove they can stop it. I think the same is true for RB's. Keep running an RB at them till they prove they can stop him. Thus far, nobody has been able to stop LJ. So what does VD do? Give him 9 carries. The dude is senile or just still won't admit he was wrong about LJ. Hell, he was wrong about Priest being an every down back as well. But he was forced to admit that.
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ROFL I can't even fathom what being alive for 50 years is like. No offense. Age brings wisdom. |
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Condolances for you and all your family about your mom, Skip.
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Your brain must be crammed with game memories. |
Personally, I think this Raider game will be a perfect example of why Holmes should be the starter. I don't think LJ's style will get it done in this game.
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On my fantasy team I dont have Priest, but I do have LJ and you bet Im starting him! He proved his worth last year.
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What is it that you see in the Raiders' defense that is going to expose LJ as second-string material? Nothing has slowed him down yet. Is the Raider D that good? If you are predicting that he will have a bad game then okay, but to make a statement that seems to suggest that you will be proven correct about LJ if he has a bad game is totally another. If you think you are correct then explain ahead of time what it is about this upcoming game that is going to prove that LJ's "style" won't get it done. |
Ryan Houston owns the site I write for.
And he's not talking about Johnson from an NFL perspective, he's talking about him from a fantasy starter perspective. LJ isn't an every week starter. Realistically, how many times is a guy going to average over 10 yards per carry on 9 carries with 2 tds? |
I can't speak for jspchief, but my guess is he's saying that straight ahead power running isn't the way to attack the raiders.
Now, I think LJ has proved that while he's different than priest, he can excel in any running play we call, whether it's a draw, sweep, or any kind of outside run, as well as the inside runs. I think either one could have a big game. Maybe both, again. I just don't think a big game from both will happen every week all year. Not with Priest getting 20+ touches, and LJ getting 10 or fewer. |
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Here's why I don't think LJ will have as much success against the Rai ders as Holmes. The Raiders are tough and big up the middle, with converted D-lineman as OLBs. The way to expose them will be to beat them to the edge. Something that Holmes does as well as any back in the league, and LJ has not shown a talent for at this point. I think the Raiders D will force us to bounce a lot of stuff to the sidelines. LJ is a great RB, and probably could start for any other team in the league. But we have the best RB in the NFL in Holmes. You don't bench someone of his talent. The only knock anyone can find on Holmes is his durability. I agree. But until he actually gets hurt, there is no way he should lose his starting spot. |
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