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alnorth 05-04-2009 11:29 AM

Chicago White Sox @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (5/4)
 
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<td>Final</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 7 </td><td> 8 </td><td> 9 </td><td> R </td><td>
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<tr> <td>CWS (12-13)</td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td>
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<tr> <td>KC (15-11)</td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 1 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> X </td><td> 3 </td><td>
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Zack Greinke throws the 6th complete game, and the 2nd shutout of his MLB career. (3CG, 2SHO this season)

Zack Greinke is the 3rd pitcher in MLB history to have an ERA under 0.50 after 6 starts

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/te.../80x60/chw.gif

Loss, (2-2) Bartolo Colon 5IP 3R 2ER 3BB 7K
Clayton Richard 3IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K

VS.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/te.../80x60/kan.gif

Win, (6-0) Zack Greinke 9IP 0R 0ER 0BB 10K

Starting Lineups

CWS

1. Chris Getz, 2B
2. Jayson Nix, 3B/RF
3. Carlos Quentin, LF
4. Jim Thome, DH
5. Paul Konerko, 1B
6. A.J. Pierzynsky, C
7. Alexei Ramirez, SS
8. Scott Podsednik, RF/CF
9. Brent Lillibridge, CF
9. Wilson Betemit, ph/3B

KC

1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. David DeJesus, LF
3. Mark Teahen, 3B
4. Jose Guillen, RF
4. Mitch Maier, pr/RF
5. Billy Butler, 1B
6. Mike Jacobs, DH
7. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
8. Miguel Olivo, C
9. Mike Aviles, SS

alnorth 05-04-2009 11:31 AM

Again, this is pretty early, but I've been putting this up early for all of Greinke's starts, so what the hell.

We must score some runs tonight, because Zack Greinke simply can not be permitted to get his first loss to the White Sox. Any other team but them.

Jethopper 05-04-2009 11:32 AM

Party day at the K

Fish 05-04-2009 11:33 AM

$5 tix today. Come on out.....

Demonpenz 05-04-2009 11:34 AM

I am calling it now. Grienke Plunks a whitesox and gets thrown out

DeezNutz 05-04-2009 11:35 AM

Betting line:

Royals opened at -165. Currently -180.

Jethopper 05-04-2009 11:35 AM

Skip Bayless doesn't know what hes talkin about.

alnorth 05-04-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5738068)
Betting line:

Royals opened at -165. Currently -180.

Hot damn. For baseball between teams with a similar record, thats incredible. As much as I like Greinke, I'm not betting the Royals with that line.

DeezNutz 05-04-2009 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 5738071)
Hot damn. For baseball between teams with a similar record, thats incredible. As much as I like Greinke, I'm not betting the Royals with that line.

Yep. That's a huge line.

Says a lot about the national perception with Greinke on the hill.

Jethopper 05-04-2009 11:44 AM

screw the money line.... what is the spread

Jethopper 05-04-2009 11:44 AM

Too early to predict a no-no?

alnorth 05-04-2009 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jethopper (Post 5738094)
screw the money line.... what is the spread

I dont think they do spreads in baseball, its all money lines in this sport.

teedubya 05-04-2009 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5738068)
Betting line:

Royals opened at -165. Currently -180.

never bet baseball before...

so, If I bet $100... how much would I win, if the Royals win?

Jethopper 05-04-2009 11:51 AM

Royals currently at -1.5 according to betcris.com

Jethopper 05-04-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 5738112)
I dont think they do spreads in baseball, its all money lines in this sport.

There is a spread for everything hoss.

jidar 05-04-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5738116)
never bet baseball before...

so, If I bet $100... how much would I win, if the Royals win?

You gotta bet $165 to win $100 is what that is saying since it's a negative line
-165

If it was a positive line like so
+165
then you would win $165 for betting $100

yeah it's kind of confusing.

alnorth 05-04-2009 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5738116)
never bet baseball before...

so, If I bet $100... how much would I win, if the Royals win?

Bet $180 to win $100. If thats the line for KC, I assume for Chicago it would be something like bet $100 to win $170 or whatever. Thats pretty freaking huge in baseball, given how often good teams lose and bad teams win, where a really great team would still lose 40% of their games. A normal baseball money line is between +/- 120

alnorth 05-04-2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jidar (Post 5738128)
You gotta bet $165 to win $100 is what that is saying since it's a negative line
-165

If it was a positive line like so
+165
then you would win $165 for betting $100

yeah it's kind of confusing.

It OPENED at -165, its now at -180, which is hilarious. I'm not betting that line for any team in baseball, unless it was something like the AL All-Star team vs one of our old 100-loss Royal teams, and even then the expected value would be about break even.

This is a sucker bet for people who have fallen in love with Greinke, Colon and the White Sox have a better chance to win than this.

Demonpenz 05-04-2009 11:56 AM

the word is the money line is that big because there hasn't been much action on the royals lately. Betters are still toeing the water it seems

alnorth 05-04-2009 12:00 PM

hmm, I must have been missing something the last few years, its been a while since I checked baseball money lines because I see some similar lines for a few games out there. So, maybe this game doesnt stick out like a sore thumb like I was implying, but its still pretty lopsided.

The site I'm looking at now has KC at -190 and CWS at +170, the only game with a bigger favorite is Tampa Bay over Baltimore, but even then you have one team a lot better than the other with Kazmir VS a guy who is really struggling. Colon and the White Sox are getting no respect in our game.

alnorth 05-04-2009 12:05 PM

HOU 135
WSH -150

MIL -135
PIT 125

CLE -103
TOR -107

BOS -102
NYY -108

BAL 200
TB -230


MIN 122
DET -132

CIN 142
FLA -157

NYM 114
ATL -124

SF 170
CHC -190


CWS 170
KC -190


PHI 122
STL -132

COL -117
SD 107

LAA -112
OAK 102

ARI 129
LAD -139

TEX 135
SEA -150

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 12:09 PM

Ok, this feels weird but I'm going to put it out there. I'm officially leaving the "I'm waiting for this to fall apart" bandwagon. This is a good baseball team and they're going to win at least 85 games this year. The starting pitching is too good for that not to happen. The offense is picking up, and we're doing this without good hitting from Butler, Gordon, and Jacobs.

I'm tired of Royals fans' mentality (which I have proudly carried for years) that we are a loser franchise. The corner has been turned and we're going to compete now. This in no way should discourage Pete from his "Game Over" posts because I respect that but I do not respect the jinx anymore.

Oh yeah, and I can't freaking WAIT until Saturday night. Got front row seats, upper deck for the game against the Angels. Zack's scheduled to pitch, and I'm pumped to not only go but also run Zack smack against the Mousketeers.

Kyle DeLexus 05-04-2009 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jethopper (Post 5738122)
Royals currently at -1.5 according to betcris.com

Thats not a spread thats a run line. There is no spread in baseball there's only the -1.5 run line. I'd guess that the payout on the run line would be even or damn close if the line is at -180

Demonpenz 05-04-2009 12:40 PM

the spread at bets.com went up to royals plus 2 runs

WilliamTheIrish 05-04-2009 12:44 PM

Want to get this in:

Pete: Shut up.

Demonpenz 05-04-2009 12:45 PM

the spread on some of the other sites seem to be going up. 3 runs by the royals to 4 runs i haven't seen a spread like this since the spread in the NY Atlanta game. spread

WilliamTheIrish 05-04-2009 12:50 PM

SOX made several moves on Friday:


Quote:

CHICAGO - Prior to tonight's (5/1) game at the Texas Rangers, the Chicago White Sox made the following four roster moves.

Outrighted OF Jerry Owens to Class AAA Charlotte.
Placed OF Brian Anderson on the 15-day disabled list with a strained right oblique (retroactive to April 30)..
Purchased the contract of OF Scott Podsednik from Charlotte..
Returned INF Jayson Nix from his rehabilitation assignment at Charlotte and reinstate him from the 15-day disabled list..
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news...=.jsp&c_id=cws

Podsednik will be forever a favorite for hitting that game winning WS HR off of Lidge in 05.

CoMoChief 05-04-2009 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5738191)
Ok, this feels weird but I'm going to put it out there. I'm officially leaving the "I'm waiting for this to fall apart" bandwagon. This is a good baseball team and they're going to win at least 85 games this year. The starting pitching is too good for that not to happen. The offense is picking up, and we're doing this without good hitting from Butler, Gordon, and Jacobs.

I'm tired of Royals fans' mentality (which I have proudly carried for years) that we are a loser franchise. The corner has been turned and we're going to compete now. This in no way should discourage Pete from his "Game Over" posts because I respect that but I do not respect the jinx anymore.

Oh yeah, and I can't freaking WAIT until Saturday night. Got front row seats, upper deck for the game against the Angels. Zack's scheduled to pitch, and I'm pumped to not only go but also run Zack smack against the Mousketeers.


Its good to have hopes and dreams. But reality sets in and its only beginning of May, traditonally the Royals have never had good Aprils and usually are out of it by June. This season thats not the case but the division is still wide open and the Royals aren't the greatest hitting team, I also dont think the pitching will be as good as it has been, especially after Meche and Greinke

Kyle DeLexus 05-04-2009 12:55 PM

Of course Greinke is going to start giving up some runs, but who is to say that the bottom 3 once Hoch gets in there can't perform at a servicable level?

Kyle DeLexus 05-04-2009 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5738289)
the spread on some of the other sites seem to be going up. 3 runs by the royals to 4 runs i haven't seen a spread like this since the spread in the NY Atlanta game. spread

Damn. I should have got in when it was only at 1.5 what happens if the Royals only win by 4? A push in baseball?

WilliamTheIrish 05-04-2009 01:00 PM

Contrary to yesterday's news:

Dye, Fields could miss opener in KC

Outfielder not ready to return; third baseman hit on wrist.


Quote:

ARLINGTON -- Don't expect Jermaine Dye back in the White Sox lineup for Monday's series opener at Kauffman Stadium.

And it sounds as if Dye could have some banged-up company on the bench. Third baseman Josh Fields, who has reached base in 20 of his first 23 games this season, was struck in the left wrist by a Matt Harrison pitch in the first inning of Sunday's 5-1 loss.
Jayson Nix will most likely start in place of Fields.

Dye's own words:

Quote:

"Right now, I can't grip a bat and I don't think I'm playing tomorrow, no matter what," said Dye, whose left hand still is noticeably swollen but not as bad as it was on Saturday night. "We'll still treat it and [White Sox athletic trainer] Hermie [Schneider] will ask me once I get into the stadium how it feels. If it feels good enough, I'll take some swings. If not, we'll keep treating it."
He could be out for the series.

irishjayhawk 05-04-2009 01:19 PM

I very, very much want to go tonight. Unfortunately, I have too much self control.

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5738316)
Its good to have hopes and dreams. But reality sets in and its only beginning of May, traditonally the Royals have never had good Aprils and usually are out of it by June. This season thats not the case but the division is still wide open and the Royals aren't the greatest hitting team, I also dont think the pitching will be as good as it has been, especially after Meche and Greinke

Dude, I've been a Royals fan my whole life. I know the history very well. I'm telling you that I think it's turning and I'm not going to spend the whole season waiting for the other shoe to drop. Hopes and dreams are believing in a team that has Luke Hudson as its ace. This team competes on paper with any team in the division and has so far shown itself to play very competitively in divisional games.

Demonpenz 05-04-2009 01:41 PM

man just think if Alex Van Popple was as good as advertised

sd4chiefs 05-04-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5738191)
Oh yeah, and I can't freaking WAIT until Saturday night. Got front row seats, upper deck for the game against the Angels. Zack's scheduled to pitch, and I'm pumped to not only go but also run Zack smack against the Mousketeers.

I plan on going to the game on Saturday but I don't have tickets yet. I was thinking of trying to buy them from someone in the parking lot. What section are you in?

Dartgod 05-04-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 5738286)
Want to get this in:

Pete: Shut up.

**** you. /pete

Demonpenz 05-04-2009 02:52 PM

this thread is overated /pete

WilliamTheIrish 05-04-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

"Nice SAC[K], Coco"! /
Pete expressing his desire, like Stewie Griffin did to Brian, to shave Coco's coin purse.

acesn8s 05-04-2009 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 5738176)
HOU 135
WSH -150

MIL -135
PIT 125

CLE -103
TOR -107

BOS -102
NYY -108

BAL 200
TB -230

MIN 122
DET -132

CIN 142
FLA -157

NYM 114
ATL -124

SF 170
CHC -190

CWS 170
KC -190

PHI 122
STL -132

COL -117
SD 107

LAA -112
OAK 102

ARI 129
LAD -139

TEX 135
SEA -150

I'm going to CP casino and get some of that action...oh wait. :sulk:

KChiefs1 05-04-2009 04:45 PM

1. Crisp - CF
2. DeJesus - LF
3. Teahen - 3B
4. Guillen - RF
5. Butler - 1B
6. Jacobs - DH
7. Callaspo - 2B
8. Olivo - C
9. Aviles - SS
SP - Zack Greinke

petegz28 05-04-2009 04:54 PM

I'm off to the ballpark...GO ROYALS!!

Kraus 05-04-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5738928)
1. Crisp - CF
2. DeJesus - LF
3. Teahen - 3B
4. Guillen - RF
5. Butler - 1B
6. Jacobs - DH
7. Callaspo - 2B
8. Olivo - C
9. Aviles - SS
SP - Zack Greinke

We pulled Bloomquist? I'd rather him be in RF and have Guillen DH'ing instead of Jacobs.

Anyways... I haven't been more excited for a Royals game in a long time than I am for this one.

Nightfyre 05-04-2009 05:16 PM

I question Callaspo at 7. Callaspo is a double machine. Why put him behind Butler and Jacobs, who have a .345 and .299 OBP respectively?

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:02 PM

Howdy guys...let's leave no doubt about this one. Let's bury these losers with all the venom we can muster and make a statement to the rest of the league that we are for real.

Predictions on tonight's attendance? I'm calling 32,500 for a 8-1 win.

Screw you, Ozzie Guillen.

Nightfyre 05-04-2009 06:04 PM

MLB.tv.... engage!

alnorth 05-04-2009 06:11 PM

1st inning
 
Top 1st

Getz strikes out (swinging)
Nix grounds out to third
Quentin pops out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 1st

Crisp grounds out to first
DeJesus fouls out to left
Teahen strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 0 hits

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:12 PM

Game on!

chiefbowe82 05-04-2009 06:12 PM

gotta love how greinke jumps in front of the hitters

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:13 PM

Just barely got a piece of that one

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:13 PM

Sit down!!!

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:13 PM

HE STRUCK YOUR ASS OUT

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:16 PM

2 Down!!!

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:16 PM

ESPN doing a look-in on the game with the Yanks/Red Sox rain delay.

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:16 PM

1-2-3

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5739093)
ESPN doing a look-in on the game with the Yanks/Red Sox rain delay.

Wow, that's major rep there

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:18 PM

Now they're on commercial. We'll see if they come back after the break. Probably only going to show Zack pitch.

alnorth 05-04-2009 06:18 PM

man, once you get this low, you gotta really work to reduce that ERA further. 3 outs only got Greinke to 0.49

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:19 PM

Royals back on ESPN!

banyon 05-04-2009 06:21 PM

Oustanding concentration and effort there by Quentin on that catch.

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:21 PM

Has anyone seen Willie Bloomquist? I think Colon ate him in the pregame meal.

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:22 PM

bullshit call there

Nightfyre 05-04-2009 06:23 PM

That ump was really into that "strike."

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 5739105)
bullshit call there

If you're talking about the one that was a foot wide right of the plate... then yes. I did think strike 3 was indeed a strike though.

alnorth 05-04-2009 06:23 PM

2nd inning
 
Top 2nd

Thome flies out to center
Konerko strikes out (swinging)
Pierzynsky strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 2nd

Guillen singles to center
Butler strikes out (looking)
Jacobs singles to right, Guillen to second
Callaspo singles to right, Jacobs to second, Guillen to third, Jacobs to third, Guillen scores on an Error by RF
Olivo strikes out (swinging)
Aviles strikes out (looking)

1 run, 3 hits, 1 error

petegz28 05-04-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 5739105)
bullshit call there

was it inside?
Posted via Mobile Device

Nightfyre 05-04-2009 06:25 PM

it was low

chiefbowe82 05-04-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5739109)
was it inside?
Posted via Mobile Device

no

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:26 PM

Strike 3 really was strike 3, IMO.

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:26 PM

sick

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5739115)
Strike 3 really was strike 3, IMO.

Agreed.

banyon 05-04-2009 06:27 PM

Damn Greinke made Konerko look silly on that slider.

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:28 PM

DAMN FILTHY

CaliforniaChief 05-04-2009 06:28 PM

You can grab some bench, POS. I hate the White Sox.

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:29 PM

6 up 6 down and 3 K's

Nightfyre 05-04-2009 06:29 PM

10-pitch inning with 2ks. Thats tough to do.

kstater 05-04-2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 5739101)
Royals back on ESPN!

Such BS, all I'm getting is FLA/CIN and lookins at the rain.

chiefbowe82 05-04-2009 06:31 PM

leave it out jose

chiefbowe82 05-04-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5739126)
Such BS, all I'm getting is FLA/CIN and lookins at the rain.

same

SPchief 05-04-2009 06:31 PM

There you go Guillen

Kraus 05-04-2009 06:32 PM

Any body else having sound troubles with FSNKC? Ironically it started during the Hearing Center commercial.


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