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Easy 6 02-23-2014 06:37 PM

cooks, Cooks, COOKS... a guy like that can get open against anyone.

You don't have to be big when you're OPEN.

Chiefshrink 02-23-2014 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10448997)
He would almost be better as a TE in the NFL.
Posted via Mobile Device

My point as well a few threads back, he could be the next Jimmy Graham and actually play hybrid TE/WR depending on the situation.;)

Chiefshrink 02-23-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10449107)
cooks, Cooks, COOKS... a guy like that can get open against anyone.

You don't have to be big when you're OPEN.

He is definitely my guy as well if we draft a WR in the first. If you haven't seen his gauntlet drill you need to watch it. Lightening quick, clean catches never losing speed in a straight line and when he turns it up field he never misses a beat showing you he has a 6th gear if needed.;)

Natural hands.

This guy replaces McCluster IMO.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10449107)
cooks, Cooks, COOKS... a guy like that can get open against anyone.

You don't have to be big when you're OPEN.

He sucked against the only good corner that he lined up against. Watch his snaps vs Ekpre Olamu, he got 0 separation against him and only did something against Oregon when he was lined up away from Olamu. Cooks is going to kill as a Slot WR, but don't expect him to become a #1 outside guy and replace Bowe. He just doesn't have the size to do it.

In58men 02-23-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10448953)
I don't really like Benjamin all that much. For a guy with his measurables, he doesn't high point the ball consistently enough, he drops too many passes, and he took a long time to do anything in Florida State despite playing with 2 NFL Starting caliber QBs his entire college career and on a team that doesn't really have any outstanding WRs besides Green. Makes me question his dedication and football IQ a lot. If he had produced consistently for at least 2 seasons there would be some merit to him being selected in the 1st round of this draft class; but he's just too risky to be taken that highly especially with the depth of talent at WR and across the board this year. I honestly don't think that he is any better than Brandon Coleman out of Rutgers. Benjamin isn't very explosive and won't be able to create the separation that you would want out of your WRs. For a big WR to succeed in the NFL, they have to display dominant hands and the ability to absolutely dominate at the point of the catch. Evans has it, Benjamin doesn't. That's why the league isn't filled with a ton of 6'5" + big bodied WRs and instead has an overwhelming amount of 5'10"-6'1", 180-215 pound WRs who can create separation with their quickness, route running, and speed instead. Not a lot of really big Wrs are actually truly dominant at the point of the catch.

Want Benjamin? Go sign Ramses Barden who has been in the league for 4 years and has done absolutely nothing.

I say that Benjamin doesn't go until rounds 2-3. He's not a 1st rounder, especially not in this draft class.

Because all tall big WRs are the next Ramses Barden lol. Evans couldn't break from a route to save his life today. Benjamin is a monster.

Easy 6 02-23-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10449121)
He is definitely my guy as well if we draft a WR in the first. If you haven't seen his gauntlet drill you need to watch it. Lightening quick, clean catches never losing speed in a straight line and when he turns it up field he never misses a beat showing you he has a 6th gear if needed.;)

Natural hands.

This guy replaces McCluster IMO.

It might even turn out that we don't have to go #1 with him, teams are going to turn up their nose due to size... of all the highlight vids I watched he was the clearcut sizzler, being able to stop and cut on a dime while maintaining top speed is priceless.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449123)
He sucked against the only good corner that he lined up against. Watch his snaps vs Ekpre Olamu, he got 0 separation against him and only did something against Oregon when he was lined up away from Olamu. Cooks is going to kill as a Slot WR, but don't expect him to become a #1 outside guy and replace Bowe. He just doesn't have the size to do it.

Yaya... he had a bad game against some guy, again, stop and start ability while maintaining control and speed is golden... skill like that equals inherent "get open" ability.

I doubt he needs to be take #1 the way things are looking anyway... disagree if you must, but its my opinion that Smith would LOVE a guy like this... he IS going to be able to shake his man for that half second more often than not thus creating a clean and safe throw.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10449146)
It might even turn out that we don't have to go #1 with him, teams are going to turn up their nose due to size... of all the highlight vids I watched he was the clearcut sizzler, being able to stop and cut on a dime while maintaining top speed is priceless.



Yaya... he had a bad game against some guy, again, stop and start ability while maintaining control and speed is golden... skill like that equals inherent "get open" ability.

I doubt he needs to be take #1 the way things are looking anyway... disagree if you must, but its my opinion that Smith would LOVE a guy like this... he IS going to be able to shake his man for that half second more often than not thus creating a clean and safe throw.

You could take Archer in the 4th and get the same start and stop ability with even more top end speed while taking a potential #1 WR in round 1. This draft is full of good slot guys, no need to spend our only pick in the top 70 on one.

jonzie04 02-23-2014 07:17 PM

my favorite Wr for our first pick at this point would be Jordan Matthews. unmatched production and great speed for his size. he has superstar potential as a number 1 WR. liked cook's production, but lets be honest, he doesn't catch anywhere near that amount of balls in the sec. I like him as much as beckham but I feel they're both pretty limited to the the slot, or can play #2 with a true #1 wide out on the opposite side. Matthews reminds me of his cousin jerry rice. he might not be the flashiest Wr but he produces game in and game out, year in and year out.

J Diddy 02-23-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10448315)
Best 40 times for WRs, including a WR from Pitt State.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combin...ers-at-combine

A bad ass WR from Pitt State....

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 10449174)
my favorite Wr for our first pick at this point would be Jordan Matthews. unmatched production and great speed for his size. he has superstar potential as a number 1 WR. liked cook's production, but lets be honest, he doesn't catch anywhere near that amount of balls in the sec. I like him as much as beckham but I feel they're both pretty limited to the the slot, or can play #2 with a true #1 wide out on the opposite side. Matthews reminds me of his cousin jerry rice. he might not be the flashiest Wr but he produces game in and game out, year in and year out.

Beckham has just enough size to develop into a #1. He has pretty good length due to his long arms and big hands to be able to make the tough catches. He's going to go ahead of our pick though, I don't see the Jets passing on him if Evans and Watkins are gone. I think they would take Beckham over Ebron in all honesty.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:27 PM

Moncrief is explosive as hell, especially for his size, but has a lot of bad tape from last season. He literally looks nonchalant at times, just like Bowe. Doesn't look interested in blocking at all, showed no tenacity or drive to dominate his opponents. I worry about his will to become great. Has all the physical tools, just don't think that the drive is there.

Wilson8 02-24-2014 12:02 AM

I think both Moncrief and Abbrederis could help the Chiefs, but I would prefer Abbrederis.

Donte Moncrief, Mississippi – 6 catch, 122 yards, 2 TD against Auburn. 5 catch, 107 yards against LSU. 7 catch, 149 yards, 1 TD. 6 catch, 115 yards against Missouri. 6 catch, 113 yards, 1 TD against Georgia Tech.

Jared Abbrederis – 10 catches, 207 yards, 1 TD against Ohio State’s Bradley Roby. 2 catches, 122 yards, 2 TDs against Massachusetts. 6 catch, 87 yards against Arizona State. 7 catch, 94 yards against Purdue. 8 catch, 106 yards against Illinois. 12 catch, 135 yards against Penn State. He had a total of 78 receptions, 1081 yards, and 7 TDs in 2013. He had 49 receptions, 837 yards, 5 TDs in 2012. Also, in 2012, 43 punt returns, 315 yards, 1 TD.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 05:10 AM

BTW, look out for Albert Wilson in the 5th to 6th round. Real burner and could be a great slot guy.

Chiefshrink 02-24-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449123)
Cooks is going to kill as a Slot WR, but don't expect him to become a #1 outside guy and replace Bowe. He just doesn't have the size to do it.

Precisely my point. This guy will make Welker look slow in acceleration back in Welker's prime but with actual top end speed Welker never had. Agreed he is not a dominant No.1 but I will take a Welker on ROIDs any day;)

Exoter175 02-24-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10450092)
Precisely my point. This guy will make Welker look slow in acceleration back in Welker's prime but with actual top end speed Welker never had. Agreed he is not a dominant No.1 but I will take a Welker on ROIDs any day;)

The thing with Cooks if you watch his tape, is he doesn't "look" like a Welker or Amendola type, doesn't play like a Dante Hall or Az-Zahir-Hakim type. Those guys, Welker included, had a specific way they used their bodies and caught the ball at different points on the field.

Cooks, on the other hand, is like a mixed bag. When he's outside the hash, he uses his body and catches the ball similar to Julio Jones, despite the immense size difference, its actually quite refreshing to watch, and I'm huge on Julio. Across the middle though, he plays like a Wayne Chrebet, which is high praise there.

I think in the right system with the right coaching with the right scheme, this kid could be absolutely dynamite!


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