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Saccopoo 02-20-2014 02:35 PM

2014 NFL Combine - Players - The WRs
 
Wide Receivers:

Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin
6'1", 195 lb., 31 3/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Davante Adams, Fresno State
6'1", 212 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 9" hands

Odell Beckham, LSU
5'11 1/4", 198 lb., 32 3/4" arms, 10" hands

Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
6'5", 240 lb., 34 7/8" arms, 10 1/4" hands

Christopher Boyd, Vanderbilt
6'4", 206 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Philly Brown, Ohio State
5'11", 178 lb., 31 3/4" arms, 9 3/8" hands

John Brown, Pittsburg State
5'11", 179 lb., 30 1/2" arms, 8 1/2" hands

Martavis Bryant, Clemson
6'3 1/2", 211 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 9 1/2" hands

Isaiah Burse, Fresno State
5'10", 188 lb., 30 1/4" arms, 8 3/8" hands

Michael Campanaro, Wake Forest
5'9", 192 lb., 30" arms, 9 3/4" hands

Brandon Coleman Rutgers
6'6", 225 lb., 34" arms, 9 1/4" hands

Kain Colter, Northwestern
5'10", 198 lb., 31" arms, 10" hands

Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
5'9 1/2", 189 lb., 30 1/2" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Damian Copeland, Louisville
5'11", 184 lb., 31 3/8" arms, 9" hands

Mike Davis, Texas
6'0", 197 lb., 32 3/4" arms, 10" hands

Bruce Ellington, South Carolina
5'9 1/4", 197 lb., 31" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Quincy Enunwa, Nebraska
6'2", 225 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 9 1/2" hands

Mike Evans, Texas A&M
6'4 1/2", 231 lb., 35 1/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Shaq Evans, UCLA
6'1", 213 lb., 32" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Bennie Fowler, Michigan State
6'1", 217 lb., 32" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Austin Franklin, New Mexico State
5'11", 189 lb., 31 1/4" arms, 10" hands

Jeremy Gallon, Michigan
5'7", 185 lb., 29 1/2" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Ryan Grant, Tulane
6'0", 199 lb., 31" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Matt Hazel, Coastal Carolina
6'1", 198 lb., 31 2/8" arms, 9 1/8" hands

Robert Herron, Wyoming
5'9", 193 lb., 30 1/2" arms, 9 3/4" hands

Cody Hoffman, BYU
6'4", 223 lb., 33 1/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands

Josh Huff, Oregon
5'11", 206 lb., 31 1/4" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Allen Hurns, Miami (FL)
6'1", 198 lb., 32" arms, 9 1/4" hands

Jeff Janis, Saginaw Valley State
6'3", 219 lb., 32 1/2" arms, 9" hands

T.J. Jones, Notre Dame
6'0", 188 lb., 30 5/8" arms, 10" hands

Jarvis Landry, LSU
5'11 1/4", 198 lb., 31 1/4" arms, 10 1/4" hands

Cody Latimer, Indiana
6'2", 215 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Marqise Lee, USC
5'11 1/2", 192 lb., 31 1/4" arms, 9 1/2" hands

Marcus Lucas, Missouri
6'4", 218 lb., 33 5/8" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt
6'3", 212 lb., 33 1/4" arms, 10 3/4" hands

Donte Moncrief, Mississippi
6'2", 221 lb., 32 2/8" arms, 9 1/8" hands

Kevin Norwood, Alabama
6'2", 198 lb., 32 1/8" arms, 10" hands

Walt Powell, Murray State
5'11", 189 lb., 31 5/8" arms, 9 1/2" hands

Tevin Reese, Baylor
5'10", 163 lb., 31 5/8" arms, 8 5/8" hands

Paul Richardson, Colorado
6'0", 175 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 8 7/8" hands

Allen Robinson, Penn State
6'2 1/4", 220 lb., 32" arms, 9 1/2" hands

Jalen Saunders, Oklahoma
5'9", 163 lb., 30" arms, 8 7/8" hands

Willie Snead, Ball State
5'11", 195 lb., 31" arms, 10 1/4" hands

Josh Stewart, Oklahoma State
5'10", 178 lb., 30" arms, 9 3/8" hands

Devin Street, Pittsburgh
6'3", 198 lb., 33 2/8" arms, 9 1/4" hands

L'Damian Washington, Missouri
6'4", 195 lb., 33 3/8" arms, 9" hands

Sammy Watkins, Clemson
6'0 1/2", 211 lb., 32" arms, 9 5/8" hands

Albert Wilson, Georgia State
5'9", 202 lb., 30 3/8" arms, 9 1/8" hands


2013 Top WR Drafted & Combine Results:

Tavon Austion, West Virginia
5'8", 174 lb., 30" arms, 9 1/8" hands
Bench: 14 reps
40: 4.34 seconds
Vertical: 32.0"
Broad Jump: 120.0"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Saccopoo 02-21-2014 08:58 PM

Mike Evans arms are absolutely freakish long.

Saccopoo 02-21-2014 09:26 PM

Tidbits:

Quote:

More measurements are coming in, this time for some wide receivers. With Sammy Watkins measuring a shade under 6'1, it becomes harder to justify him in Top 5. He's really good, but I'm a stickler for receivers that high. They have to be Julio Jones, A.J. Green or Calvin Johnson. Watkins isn't on that level.I'm not sure who the Browns should take at four if Bridgewater and Manziel are both off the board. Would be tough call.

OldSchool 02-21-2014 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10446128)
Tidbits:

I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on Mack if I were them.

jonzie04 02-22-2014 01:56 AM

Jordan Matthews has some god damn bear claws for hands.

The Franchise 02-22-2014 01:42 PM

Cooks measured a little bigger than i thought.

philfree 02-23-2014 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10446941)
Cooks measured a little bigger than i thought.

4.30 40 Some other guys tore it up as well.

WhawhaWhat 02-23-2014 10:27 AM

Best 40 times for WRs, including a WR from Pitt State.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combin...ers-at-combine

philfree 02-23-2014 11:57 AM

So how many WRs will be drafted in the first 22 picks?

OldSchool 02-23-2014 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10448476)
So how many WRs will be drafted in the first 22 picks?

I can see possibly 4.

Evans and Watkins are definitely gone.

Lee and Beckham can go as well.

That would leave us with Matthews, Cooks, and Landry in the next group.

I think Landry might drop to the 3rd round now though because of his exceptionally slow 40. Really is the next Boldin.

Would you trade up for Mike Evans?

Also, the strength of this WR class might make Ebron fall to us.

bowener 02-23-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10448790)
I can see possibly 4.

Evans and Watkins are definitely gone.

Lee and Beckham can go as well.

That would leave us with Matthews, Cooks, and Landry in the next group.

I think Landry might drop to the 3rd round now though because of his exceptionally slow 40. Really is the next Boldin.

Would you trade up for Mike Evans?

Also, the strength of this WR class might make Ebron fall to us.

Where does Benjamin go?

OldSchool 02-23-2014 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 10448915)
Where does Benjamin go?

I don't really like Benjamin all that much. For a guy with his measurables, he doesn't high point the ball consistently enough, he drops too many passes, and he took a long time to do anything in Florida State despite playing with 2 NFL Starting caliber QBs his entire college career and on a team that doesn't really have any outstanding WRs besides Green. Makes me question his dedication and football IQ a lot. If he had produced consistently for at least 2 seasons there would be some merit to him being selected in the 1st round of this draft class; but he's just too risky to be taken that highly especially with the depth of talent at WR and across the board this year. I honestly don't think that he is any better than Brandon Coleman out of Rutgers. Benjamin isn't very explosive and won't be able to create the separation that you would want out of your WRs. For a big WR to succeed in the NFL, they have to display dominant hands and the ability to absolutely dominate at the point of the catch. Evans has it, Benjamin doesn't. That's why the league isn't filled with a ton of 6'5" + big bodied WRs and instead has an overwhelming amount of 5'10"-6'1", 180-215 pound WRs who can create separation with their quickness, route running, and speed instead. Not a lot of really big Wrs are actually truly dominant at the point of the catch.

Want Benjamin? Go sign Ramses Barden who has been in the league for 4 years and has done absolutely nothing.

I say that Benjamin doesn't go until rounds 2-3. He's not a 1st rounder, especially not in this draft class.

Wilson8 02-23-2014 05:23 PM

For value at where he is projected in the draft, I would take Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin 6'1", 195 lb., 31 3/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands, and 4.50 40 time. He is projected as a 3rd rounder. He was also a punt returner before his senior season. If McCluster does not come back, we will need someone to handle that role.

He had some very good games at Wisconsin. He was one of the better Senior Bowl WRs in the practice sessions .

OldSchool 02-23-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 10448974)
For value at where he is projected in the draft, I would take Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin 6'1", 195 lb., 31 3/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands, and 4.50 40 time. He is projected as a 3rd rounder. He was also a punt returner before his senior season. If McCluster does not come back, we will need someone to handle that role.

He had some very good games at Wisconsin. He was one of the better Senior Bowl WRs in the practice sessions .

Really savvy route runner. People just aren't sure how he'll handle physical corners though.

Deberg_1990 02-23-2014 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10446077)
Mike Evans arms are absolutely freakish long.

He would almost be better as a TE in the NFL.
Posted via Mobile Device

Easy 6 02-23-2014 06:37 PM

cooks, Cooks, COOKS... a guy like that can get open against anyone.

You don't have to be big when you're OPEN.

Chiefshrink 02-23-2014 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10448997)
He would almost be better as a TE in the NFL.
Posted via Mobile Device

My point as well a few threads back, he could be the next Jimmy Graham and actually play hybrid TE/WR depending on the situation.;)

Chiefshrink 02-23-2014 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10449107)
cooks, Cooks, COOKS... a guy like that can get open against anyone.

You don't have to be big when you're OPEN.

He is definitely my guy as well if we draft a WR in the first. If you haven't seen his gauntlet drill you need to watch it. Lightening quick, clean catches never losing speed in a straight line and when he turns it up field he never misses a beat showing you he has a 6th gear if needed.;)

Natural hands.

This guy replaces McCluster IMO.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10449107)
cooks, Cooks, COOKS... a guy like that can get open against anyone.

You don't have to be big when you're OPEN.

He sucked against the only good corner that he lined up against. Watch his snaps vs Ekpre Olamu, he got 0 separation against him and only did something against Oregon when he was lined up away from Olamu. Cooks is going to kill as a Slot WR, but don't expect him to become a #1 outside guy and replace Bowe. He just doesn't have the size to do it.

In58men 02-23-2014 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10448953)
I don't really like Benjamin all that much. For a guy with his measurables, he doesn't high point the ball consistently enough, he drops too many passes, and he took a long time to do anything in Florida State despite playing with 2 NFL Starting caliber QBs his entire college career and on a team that doesn't really have any outstanding WRs besides Green. Makes me question his dedication and football IQ a lot. If he had produced consistently for at least 2 seasons there would be some merit to him being selected in the 1st round of this draft class; but he's just too risky to be taken that highly especially with the depth of talent at WR and across the board this year. I honestly don't think that he is any better than Brandon Coleman out of Rutgers. Benjamin isn't very explosive and won't be able to create the separation that you would want out of your WRs. For a big WR to succeed in the NFL, they have to display dominant hands and the ability to absolutely dominate at the point of the catch. Evans has it, Benjamin doesn't. That's why the league isn't filled with a ton of 6'5" + big bodied WRs and instead has an overwhelming amount of 5'10"-6'1", 180-215 pound WRs who can create separation with their quickness, route running, and speed instead. Not a lot of really big Wrs are actually truly dominant at the point of the catch.

Want Benjamin? Go sign Ramses Barden who has been in the league for 4 years and has done absolutely nothing.

I say that Benjamin doesn't go until rounds 2-3. He's not a 1st rounder, especially not in this draft class.

Because all tall big WRs are the next Ramses Barden lol. Evans couldn't break from a route to save his life today. Benjamin is a monster.

Easy 6 02-23-2014 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10449121)
He is definitely my guy as well if we draft a WR in the first. If you haven't seen his gauntlet drill you need to watch it. Lightening quick, clean catches never losing speed in a straight line and when he turns it up field he never misses a beat showing you he has a 6th gear if needed.;)

Natural hands.

This guy replaces McCluster IMO.

It might even turn out that we don't have to go #1 with him, teams are going to turn up their nose due to size... of all the highlight vids I watched he was the clearcut sizzler, being able to stop and cut on a dime while maintaining top speed is priceless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449123)
He sucked against the only good corner that he lined up against. Watch his snaps vs Ekpre Olamu, he got 0 separation against him and only did something against Oregon when he was lined up away from Olamu. Cooks is going to kill as a Slot WR, but don't expect him to become a #1 outside guy and replace Bowe. He just doesn't have the size to do it.

Yaya... he had a bad game against some guy, again, stop and start ability while maintaining control and speed is golden... skill like that equals inherent "get open" ability.

I doubt he needs to be take #1 the way things are looking anyway... disagree if you must, but its my opinion that Smith would LOVE a guy like this... he IS going to be able to shake his man for that half second more often than not thus creating a clean and safe throw.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10449146)
It might even turn out that we don't have to go #1 with him, teams are going to turn up their nose due to size... of all the highlight vids I watched he was the clearcut sizzler, being able to stop and cut on a dime while maintaining top speed is priceless.



Yaya... he had a bad game against some guy, again, stop and start ability while maintaining control and speed is golden... skill like that equals inherent "get open" ability.

I doubt he needs to be take #1 the way things are looking anyway... disagree if you must, but its my opinion that Smith would LOVE a guy like this... he IS going to be able to shake his man for that half second more often than not thus creating a clean and safe throw.

You could take Archer in the 4th and get the same start and stop ability with even more top end speed while taking a potential #1 WR in round 1. This draft is full of good slot guys, no need to spend our only pick in the top 70 on one.

jonzie04 02-23-2014 07:17 PM

my favorite Wr for our first pick at this point would be Jordan Matthews. unmatched production and great speed for his size. he has superstar potential as a number 1 WR. liked cook's production, but lets be honest, he doesn't catch anywhere near that amount of balls in the sec. I like him as much as beckham but I feel they're both pretty limited to the the slot, or can play #2 with a true #1 wide out on the opposite side. Matthews reminds me of his cousin jerry rice. he might not be the flashiest Wr but he produces game in and game out, year in and year out.

J Diddy 02-23-2014 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10448315)
Best 40 times for WRs, including a WR from Pitt State.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combin...ers-at-combine

A bad ass WR from Pitt State....

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 10449174)
my favorite Wr for our first pick at this point would be Jordan Matthews. unmatched production and great speed for his size. he has superstar potential as a number 1 WR. liked cook's production, but lets be honest, he doesn't catch anywhere near that amount of balls in the sec. I like him as much as beckham but I feel they're both pretty limited to the the slot, or can play #2 with a true #1 wide out on the opposite side. Matthews reminds me of his cousin jerry rice. he might not be the flashiest Wr but he produces game in and game out, year in and year out.

Beckham has just enough size to develop into a #1. He has pretty good length due to his long arms and big hands to be able to make the tough catches. He's going to go ahead of our pick though, I don't see the Jets passing on him if Evans and Watkins are gone. I think they would take Beckham over Ebron in all honesty.

OldSchool 02-23-2014 07:27 PM

Moncrief is explosive as hell, especially for his size, but has a lot of bad tape from last season. He literally looks nonchalant at times, just like Bowe. Doesn't look interested in blocking at all, showed no tenacity or drive to dominate his opponents. I worry about his will to become great. Has all the physical tools, just don't think that the drive is there.

Wilson8 02-24-2014 12:02 AM

I think both Moncrief and Abbrederis could help the Chiefs, but I would prefer Abbrederis.

Donte Moncrief, Mississippi – 6 catch, 122 yards, 2 TD against Auburn. 5 catch, 107 yards against LSU. 7 catch, 149 yards, 1 TD. 6 catch, 115 yards against Missouri. 6 catch, 113 yards, 1 TD against Georgia Tech.

Jared Abbrederis – 10 catches, 207 yards, 1 TD against Ohio State’s Bradley Roby. 2 catches, 122 yards, 2 TDs against Massachusetts. 6 catch, 87 yards against Arizona State. 7 catch, 94 yards against Purdue. 8 catch, 106 yards against Illinois. 12 catch, 135 yards against Penn State. He had a total of 78 receptions, 1081 yards, and 7 TDs in 2013. He had 49 receptions, 837 yards, 5 TDs in 2012. Also, in 2012, 43 punt returns, 315 yards, 1 TD.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 05:10 AM

BTW, look out for Albert Wilson in the 5th to 6th round. Real burner and could be a great slot guy.

Chiefshrink 02-24-2014 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449123)
Cooks is going to kill as a Slot WR, but don't expect him to become a #1 outside guy and replace Bowe. He just doesn't have the size to do it.

Precisely my point. This guy will make Welker look slow in acceleration back in Welker's prime but with actual top end speed Welker never had. Agreed he is not a dominant No.1 but I will take a Welker on ROIDs any day;)

Exoter175 02-24-2014 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10450092)
Precisely my point. This guy will make Welker look slow in acceleration back in Welker's prime but with actual top end speed Welker never had. Agreed he is not a dominant No.1 but I will take a Welker on ROIDs any day;)

The thing with Cooks if you watch his tape, is he doesn't "look" like a Welker or Amendola type, doesn't play like a Dante Hall or Az-Zahir-Hakim type. Those guys, Welker included, had a specific way they used their bodies and caught the ball at different points on the field.

Cooks, on the other hand, is like a mixed bag. When he's outside the hash, he uses his body and catches the ball similar to Julio Jones, despite the immense size difference, its actually quite refreshing to watch, and I'm huge on Julio. Across the middle though, he plays like a Wayne Chrebet, which is high praise there.

I think in the right system with the right coaching with the right scheme, this kid could be absolutely dynamite!

Ragged Robin 02-24-2014 10:10 AM

Receivers look pretty deep. IMO if Clinton-Dix is on the board at #23 you gotta take him.. we can pick our receiver in the 3rd.

Infidel Goat 02-24-2014 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10443587)
2013 Top WR Drafted & Combine Results:

Tavon Austion, West Virginia
5'8", 174 lb., 30" arms, 9 1/8" hands
Bench: 14 reps
40: 4.34 seconds
Vertical: 32.0"
Broad Jump: 120.0"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

I will pimp my Demon Deacon (maybe round 4)...

Mike Campanaro, Wake Forest
5'9", 192 lbs, 30" arms, 9 3/4" hands
Bench: 20 reps
40: 4.46 seconds
Vertical: 39.0"
Broad Jump: 122.0"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

He can return punts and is a prototypical slot receiver.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-24-2014 03:25 PM

I know we need lots of help in other positions, but I'd like to draft two receivers from this class

Direckshun 02-24-2014 03:29 PM

Ideally, the Chiefs will find some way to trade down.

6 picks isn't enough. We need something closer to 8 or 9.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10450867)
Ideally, the Chiefs will find some way to trade down.

6 picks isn't enough. We need something closer to 8 or 9.

Getting Clemons and/or Abdullah back would go a long way towards making me feel better about passing on a safety in the draft. Signing Frostee Rucker, Pitoitua, or Carrington would make me feel good about passing on DL talent as well in the 1st-3rd. Then we can focus on WR, CB, and OLB in the first 3 rounds.

I think this WR class is too good for us to use a roster spot on another known FA commodity.

Friendo 02-24-2014 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 10450736)
I will pimp my Demon Deacon (maybe round 4)...

Mike Campanaro, Wake Forest
5'9", 192 lbs, 30" arms, 9 3/4" hands
Bench: 20 reps
40: 4.46 seconds
Vertical: 39.0"
Broad Jump: 122.0"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

He can return punts and is a prototypical slot receiver.

I didn't watch enough of him, but the few times I did see him he was tough as whip-leather...probably a steal for someone...reminds me a little of another Deac WR who made a name for himself in the NFL.

BossChief 02-24-2014 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 10449794)
I think both Moncrief and Abbrederis could help the Chiefs, but I would prefer Abbrederis.

Donte Moncrief, Mississippi – 6 catch, 122 yards, 2 TD against Auburn. 5 catch, 107 yards against LSU. 7 catch, 149 yards, 1 TD. 6 catch, 115 yards against Missouri. 6 catch, 113 yards, 1 TD against Georgia Tech.

Jared Abbrederis – 10 catches, 207 yards, 1 TD against Ohio State’s Bradley Roby. 2 catches, 122 yards, 2 TDs against Massachusetts. 6 catch, 87 yards against Arizona State. 7 catch, 94 yards against Purdue. 8 catch, 106 yards against Illinois. 12 catch, 135 yards against Penn State. He had a total of 78 receptions, 1081 yards, and 7 TDs in 2013. He had 49 receptions, 837 yards, 5 TDs in 2012. Also, in 2012, 43 punt returns, 315 yards, 1 TD.

I really like Abbrederis. Textbook route runner with dependable hands.

He would be a PERFECT fit for our offense, too.

He would get a lot of balls thrown his way by Alex because he is so dependable.

BossChief 02-24-2014 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10450867)
Ideally, the Chiefs will find some way to trade down.

6 picks isn't enough. We need something closer to 8 or 9.

Yeah. I've been screaming this for the last couple months.

This draft is gonna have some guys available in the late 5th/early 6th round that would be 3rd or 4th rounders in any other draft.

The depth of this class is just unreal.

I'm surprised so many underclass men declared. Some of them made big mistakes.

OldSchool 02-24-2014 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10451577)
Yeah. I've been screaming this for the last couple months.

This draft is gonna have some guys available in the late 5th/early 6th round that would be 3rd or 4th rounders in any other draft.

The depth of this class is just unreal.

I'm surprised so many underclass men declared. Some of them made big mistakes.

I want us to get Trai Turner at some point. If he had stayed in school, he has the physical ability and arm length to be a future 1st-2nd round OG. Projected in the 6th this year because of the depth of this draft class and how raw he is.

BossChief 02-24-2014 11:03 PM

Even without Albert, I think our line just needs shuffled and has the potential to be really good.

LT fisher
Lg Hudson
C Kush
RG Schwartz
RT Stephenson

That line has the makings of a really solid unit.

Chiefshrink 02-24-2014 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10450107)
The thing with Cooks if you watch his tape, is he doesn't "look" like a Welker or Amendola type, doesn't play like a Dante Hall or Az-Zahir-Hakim type. Those guys, Welker included, had a specific way they used their bodies and caught the ball at different points on the field.

Cooks, on the other hand, is like a mixed bag. When he's outside the hash, he uses his body and catches the ball similar to Julio Jones, despite the immense size difference, its actually quite refreshing to watch, and I'm huge on Julio. Across the middle though, he plays like a Wayne Chrebet, which is high praise there.

I think in the right system with the right coaching with the right scheme, this kid could be absolutely dynamite!

Thanks for the added info. Sounds like a Steve Smith type as well.

OldSchool 02-25-2014 12:12 AM

Speaking of WRs, what's everyone's take on Martavis Bryant?

For me, great measurables, but I question his character & desire to become great. Only had one decent season.

saphojunkie 02-25-2014 10:29 AM

Look, there's a blazing fast WR from the state of Kansas named John Brown. How could I NOT want?

htismaqe 02-25-2014 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10451568)
I really like Abbrederis. Textbook route runner with dependable hands.

He would be a PERFECT fit for our offense, too.

He would get a lot of balls thrown his way by Alex because he is so dependable.

This.

Frosty 02-26-2014 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10450107)
The thing with Cooks if you watch his tape, is he doesn't "look" like a Welker or Amendola type, doesn't play like a Dante Hall or Az-Zahir-Hakim type. Those guys, Welker included, had a specific way they used their bodies and caught the ball at different points on the field.

Cooks, on the other hand, is like a mixed bag. When he's outside the hash, he uses his body and catches the ball similar to Julio Jones, despite the immense size difference, its actually quite refreshing to watch, and I'm huge on Julio. Across the middle though, he plays like a Wayne Chrebet, which is high praise there.

I think in the right system with the right coaching with the right scheme, this kid could be absolutely dynamite!

Cooks broke the Combine record for the 60 yard shuttle and tied the Combine for the 20 yard shuttle. He also had a 36" vertical which was upper mid-pack. That doesn't sound that impressive until you realize that Cooks is one of the shorter WRs at the Combine. Watkins has 3" on him and 4" longer arms, yet had a 34" vertical. Cooks is fast and shifty. He can also go up and get the ball in traffic.

Compared to Tavon Austin last year (Cooks in red):

Tavon Austion, West Virginia
5'8", 174 lb., 30" arms, 9 1/8" hands
5'9 1/2", 189 lb., 30 1/2" arms, 9 5/8" hands
Bench: 14 reps
Bench: 16 reps
40: 4.34 seconds
40: 4.33 seconds
Vertical: 32.0"
Vertical: 36.0"
Broad Jump: 120.0"
Broad Jump: 120.0"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 3.81 seconds

saphojunkie 02-26-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10454471)
Cooks broke the Combine record for the 60 yard shuttle and tied the Combine for the 20 yard shuttle. He also had a 36" vertical which was upper mid-pack. That doesn't sound that impressive until you realize that Cooks is one of the shorter WRs at the Combine. Watkins has 3" on him and 4" longer arms, yet had a 34" vertical. Cooks is fast and shifty. He can also go up and get the ball in traffic.

Compared to Tavon Austin last year (Cooks in red):

Tavon Austion, West Virginia
5'8", 174 lb., 30" arms, 9 1/8" hands
5'9 1/2", 189 lb., 30 1/2" arms, 9 5/8" hands
Bench: 14 reps
Bench: 16 reps
40: 4.34 seconds
40: 4.33 seconds
Vertical: 32.0"
Vertical: 36.0"
Broad Jump: 120.0"
Broad Jump: 120.0"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 3.81 seconds

I'd prefer if our first round receiver did better than 400 yards receiving in his rookie year.

Cooks is an excellent pick for a team that already has weapons in the passing game. That's not us. We need a legit #1 receiver or tight end.

If we were able to trade back from 23 to say... 26 and pick up a 2nd rounder, then I could see us going Amaro in the first and coming back for a WR with the next pick.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10454471)
Cooks broke the Combine record for the 60 yard shuttle and tied the Combine for the 20 yard shuttle. He also had a 36" vertical which was upper mid-pack. That doesn't sound that impressive until you realize that Cooks is one of the shorter WRs at the Combine. Watkins has 3" on him and 4" longer arms, yet had a 34" vertical. Cooks is fast and shifty. He can also go up and get the ball in traffic.

So if Cooks jumps 36", his reach and catch radius would still be considerably smaller than Watkins, so what was the point in posting that? Lol. If he had a 40" vertical and Watkins only jumped 30", then you could make a case. But a 2" difference in their verticals doesn't make up for about 8" in reach.

Jakemall 02-26-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10454780)
So if Cooks jumps 36", his reach and catch radius would still be considerably smaller than Watkins, so what was the point in posting that? Lol. If he had a 40" vertical and Watkins only jumped 30", then you could make a case. But a 2" difference in their verticals doesn't make up for about 8" in reach.

Two very different WRs that will fill very different roles on whatever team they land on.

Frosty 02-26-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10454779)
I'd prefer if our first round receiver did better than 400 yards receiving in his rookie year.

Cooks is an excellent pick for a team that already has weapons in the passing game. That's not us. We need a legit #1 receiver or tight end.

If we were able to trade back from 23 to say... 26 and pick up a 2nd rounder, then I could see us going Amaro in the first and coming back for a WR with the next pick.

Riley doesn't play his freshmen very much. The Beavers were also uber-bad that year, with a freshman QB (who played out of necessity).

For the Chiefs, I personally believe that a fast TE or a pass rushing OLB would have the biggest impact on the Chiefs. My post was more about being a fan of Cooks.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10454780)
So if Cooks jumps 36", his reach and catch radius would still be considerably smaller than Watkins, so what was the point in posting that? Lol. If he had a 40" vertical and Watkins only jumped 30", then you could make a case. But a 2" difference in their verticals doesn't make up for about 8" in reach.

My point was about his athleticism for those morons that say he is only a slot receiver in the NFL. As for your point, Cooks is faster with better change of direction than Watkins, which may make up for some of that "catch radius" (note - this is not a bash on Watkins; just a comparison with arguably the best WR in this draft).

Jakemall 02-26-2014 11:45 AM

Beckham, Moncrief and Mathews are my personal draft crushes at WR.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10454822)
My point was about his athleticism for those morons that say he is only a slot receiver in the NFL. As for your point, Cooks is faster with better change of direction than Watkins, which may make up for some of that "catch radius" (note - this is not a bash on Watkins; just a comparison with arguably the best WR in this draft).

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...elite-wr_x.htm
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When asked how Smith compensates for his lack of height, Henning laughs.

"With a 43-inch vertical jump," he says. "You're talking about a guy who can dunk backwards. He explodes to the ball, even when he's trying to jump over people. He gets tall in a hurry."
That's 7" more vertical range than Cooks.

Cooks is a lot closer to Austin than he is to Steve Smith. He's a slot guy and you would be a fool to try to depend on him as an outside #1 type receiver. Let him play in the slot and work in space where he's best at. Sure you can line him up outside, but he's going to have limited success there. You want him facing the 3rd best corner on the other team, not the top 2 cover guys.

saphojunkie 02-26-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10454822)
Riley doesn't play his freshmen very much. The Beavers were also uber-bad that year, with a freshman QB (who played out of necessity).

For the Chiefs, I personally believe that a fast TE or a pass rushing OLB would have the biggest impact on the Chiefs. My post was more about being a fan of Cooks.

I was actually talking about Tayvon Austin last year in St. Louis. Personally I never really liked that pick. I know he's a playmaker, but that team needed a workhorse.

The funny thing is that they'll probably get one now in either Watkins or Evans. And then Tayvon will blow up.

Which could be Cooks for us... But I think I'd just rather go with Beckham or Lee - someone who can take over for Bowe in a couple years. I'm not saying Cooks is a gimmick WR - he's definitely not a midget like McCluster or Devon Wylie (!), but I'm just... I don't know.

****ing Baldwin has just made me totally gunshy on receivers across the board. But we absolutely need one.

In58men 02-26-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10451845)
Even without Albert, I think our line just needs shuffled and has the potential to be really good.

LT fisher
Lg Hudson
C Kush
RG Schwartz
RT Stephenson

That line has the makings of a really solid unit.

Schwartz is on his way out according to some rumors.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10454836)
Beckham, Moncrief and Mathews are my personal draft crushes at WR.

I would like Moncreif if he didn't drop the ball so much and just look plain lazy at times. For a WR of his size, his run blocking leaves something to be desired as he can get pushed around by much smaller corners. Reminds me way too much of Dwayne Bowe.

Matthews is a try-hard with an incredible work ethic and great measurables; I'm just not sure that he has the ability to separate at the NFL level because he struggled with it in college against decent corners. Also, for how big his hands are, he was inconsistent at catching the ball in 2013, just like Moncreif.

Beckham has fringe #1 measurables. Best thing about him is his ability to go up and get the ball and his bigger than normal hands for his size as well as his relatively long arms at 32 3/4". Explosive player with a 38.5" vertical and it's on display in game tape as well so he's not just a workout warrior. He has the catch radius of a much larger WR with the ability of a smaller WR to create separation with his explosion. He does have concentration issues once in a while though and will look to run before securing the catch. Needs to be more consistent in reeling in contested catches as well, his hands are too strong for him to drop as many passes as he does.

This is ridiculous:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_as...off-catch1.gif

And here against my favorite corner in this draft, sorry Verrett, he got you good on this one:

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...eckham1011.gif

If he were more consistent with everything that he flashes as a WR, Beckham would be in discussions with Watkins as the top WR in this class.

Frosty 02-26-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10454952)
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...elite-wr_x.htm


That's 7" more vertical range than Cooks.

That's cool and all, Bob, but he jumped 34" at the Combine, 2" less than Cooks. Since we don't know their starting points in the vertical, you can't accurately compare the two. However, assuming Watkins' height isn't a result of a freakishly long head, Watkins has 3" on height and 1.5" on arm length, with the same size hands. Subtract out the 2" difference in the jump, you have Watkins with a max 2.5" difference.

As for the catch radius, Watkins' arms are an 1.5" longer, so it's not like there is a huge difference in the catch radius.

This argument is stupid and pointless (big surprise there, Bob). The point wasn't to bash Watkins or to say Cooks is better; it was just to say Cooks isn't that far off from the best.

Cooks wasn't a household name because he played at Oregon State, not USC or in the SEC, so it appears that people here don't know him or have watched him play (except for Pest and his awesome wife). I was trying to put in a perspective of someone who had watched him play a lot. I am also not pushing for the Chiefs to draft him (though I would be cool with it).

However, you're the guy that said you would rather have Josh Huff over Brandin Cooks (lol), so I figure you're just another delusional Ducks fan.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10455043)
Cooks wasn't a household name because he played at Oregon State, not USC or in the SEC, so it appears that people here don't know him or have watched him play (except for Pest and his awesome wife). I was trying to put in a perspective of someone who had watched him play a lot. I am also not pushing for the Chiefs to draft him (though I would be cool with it).

However, you're the guy that said you would rather have Josh Huff over Brandin Cooks (lol), so I figure you're just another delusional Ducks fan.

Cooks was ineffective when he lined up against Ekpre Olomu. I'm from California, I went to UC Berkeley. I'm well aware of the fact that Cooks feasted on inferior CB talent in the Pac-12. The only true potential starting NFL level corner that Cooks faced was Ekpre Olomu out of Oregon. Here were the targets he had against Ekpre Olomu.

1st target: 8 yard hitch, complete for 1st down. 0 YAC.

2nd target: 6 yard in route, result- Pass broken up by Ekpre Olomu, Cooks stopped his route cause he had nowhere to go.

3rd target: Deep post in the end zone, result- INT by Ekpre Olomu, no separation created by Cooks. He didn't even fight for the ball and Olomu is just as small as he is.

4th target: Another post about 10 yards, result: Incomplete pass broken up by Ekpre Olomu, again, Cooks had zero separation against the only potential NFL starting caliber CB he faced.

Etc etc. Get the picture? Whenever Cooks lined up outside against a good CB, he couldn't do anything. His only real damage that he did against Oregon in that game was via little underneath screen plays or against the significantly less talented Terrence Mitchell. Cooks is not a #1 WR and should not be thought of as such. He will not have consistent success going up against #1 cover corners in this league. His place is in the slot where he can do his damage against lesser opponents like Victor Cruz does.

Jakemall 02-26-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10454989)
I would like Moncreif if he didn't drop the ball so much and just look plain lazy at times. For a WR of his size, his run blocking leaves something to be desired as he can get pushed around by much smaller corners. Reminds me way too much of Dwayne Bowe.

Matthews is a try-hard with an incredible work ethic and great measurables; I'm just not sure that he has the ability to separate at the NFL level because he struggled with it in college against decent corners. Also, for how big his hands are, he was inconsistent at catching the ball in 2013, just like Moncreif.

Beckham has fringe #1 measurables. Best thing about him is his ability to go up and get the ball and his bigger than normal hands for his size as well as his relatively long arms at 32 3/4". Explosive player with a 38.5" vertical and it's on display in game tape as well so he's not just a workout warrior. He has the catch radius of a much larger WR with the ability of a smaller WR to create separation with his explosion. He does have concentration issues once in a while though and will look to run before securing the catch. Needs to be more consistent in reeling in contested catches as well, his hands are too strong for him to drop as many passes as he does.

This is ridiculous:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_as...off-catch1.gif

And here against my favorite corner in this draft, sorry Verrett, he got you good on this one:

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...eckham1011.gif

If he were more consistent with everything that he flashes as a WR, Beckham would be in discussions with Watkins as the top WR in this class.

Re: Moncrief, are we talking about the same guy? He's a great blocker. He also never seems to get caught from behind. He's a vertical threat compared to Bowe's. I think he takes the top off of defenses but will fight for the ball also.

I agree that Matthews is a motor guy...which is what I like about him. He probably learned that from his older cousin. But he's not slow like you're suggesting. 4.46 is a very solid WR speed.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10455087)
Re: Moncrief, are we talking about the same guy? He's a great blocker. He also never seems to get caught from behind. He's a vertical threat compared to Bowe's. I think he takes the top off of defenses but will fight for the ball also.

I agree that Matthews is a motor guy...which is what I like about him. He probably learned that from his older cousin. But he's not slow like you're suggesting. 4.46 is a very solid WR speed.

Yes, same Moncrief. To me he looks like he takes plays off.

As far as Matthews goes, he does not look like a 4.46 guy at all; which is why I was surprised when he timed that fast in the 40.

Frosty 02-26-2014 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10455080)
Cooks was ineffective when he lined up against Ekpre Olomu. I'm from California, I went to UC Berkeley. I'm well aware of the fact that Cooks feasted on inferior CB talent in the Pac-12. The only true potential starting NFL level corner that Cooks faced was Ekpre Olomu out of Oregon. Here were the targets he had against Ekpre Olomu.

1st target: 8 yard hitch, complete for 1st down. 0 YAC.

2nd target: 6 yard in route, result- Pass broken up by Ekpre Olomu, Cooks stopped his route cause he had nowhere to go.

3rd target: Deep post in the end zone, result- INT by Ekpre Olomu, no separation created by Cooks. He didn't even fight for the ball and Olomu is just as small as he is.

4th target: Another post about 10 yards, result: Incomplete pass broken up by Ekpre Olomu, again, Cooks had zero separation against the only potential NFL starting caliber CB he faced.

Etc etc. Get the picture? Whenever Cooks lined up outside against a good CB, he couldn't do anything. His only real damage that he did against Oregon in that game was via little underneath screen plays or against the significantly less talented Terrence Mitchell. Cooks is not a #1 WR and should not be thought of as such. He will not have consistent success going up against #1 cover corners in this league. His place is in the slot where he can do his damage against lesser opponents like Victor Cruz does.


You make it sound like Ekpre Olomu covered him one on one in the Civil War. The Ducks rolled their coverage towards Cooks and did everything they could to take him out of the game. They paid so much attention to Cooks, the Beavers were able to run at will, something they hadn't been able to do all season.

The Cal connections explains a lot. LMAO

Jakemall 02-26-2014 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10455092)
Yes, same Moncrief. To me he looks like he takes plays off.

As far as Matthews goes, he does not look like a 4.46 guy at all; which is why I was surprised when he timed that fast in the 40.

I have watched mostly highlights and reviews and not heard (or seen) that on Moncrief. Can you point me to something that demonstratights that?

The highlights I've seen show Mathews has some speed...but he was also hampered with a QB that really didn't have much of an arm. I see him adjusting his routes quite a bit.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10455111)
You make it sound like Ekpre Olomu covered him one on one in the Civil War. The Ducks rolled their coverage towards Cooks and did everything they could to take him out of the game. They paid so much attention to Cooks, the Beavers were able to run at will, something they hadn't been able to do all season.

The Cal connections explains a lot. LMAO

On those plays he lined up with Olomu and it didn't matter who might have been way on top, he still failed to get separation when Olomu was sticking him. Against Terrence Mitchell, Cooks did significantly better. Sorry if Cooks isn't a #1 but he just isn't. I know you're a Beaver but don't be blinded. Cooks will be a tremendous slot player, I just don't think his home in the NFL is on the outside; at least, not if you want him to be as effective and successful as possible.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10455128)
I have watched mostly highlights and reviews and not heard (or seen) that on Moncrief. Can you point me to something that demonstratights that?

The highlights I've seen show Mathews has some speed...but he was also hampered with a QB that really didn't have much of an arm. I see him adjusting his routes quite a bit.

Mixed bag vs Auburn. Yes, his QB sucks donkey.
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This is how pretty much all of his games are. Same inconsistency as Bowe.

Easy 6 02-26-2014 06:50 PM

Noir Robert may well be right about Cooks, he's watched the guy a lot more than I have, and his opinions seem informed... but I still believe Cooks can be, at the LEAST, an exceptional, game breaking #2.

Whats not being accounted for in his take is NFL level coaching ie; route running and hand skills... and old fashioned maturity that comes with time in the big leagues.

He may never be a true #1, but at worst he's a take it to the house 2 or 3 on any given play type of player... cuts on a dime, instant burst, top end speed... all ingredients for success at the next level.

Sorter 02-26-2014 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10450864)
I know we need lots of help in other positions, but I'd like to draft two receivers from this class

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-conten...o_dicaprio.gif

Frosty 02-26-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10455770)
Noir Robert may well be right about Cooks, he's watched the guy a lot more than I have, and his opinions seem informed... but I still believe Cooks can be, at the LEAST, an exceptional, game breaking #2.

Whats not being accounted for in his take is NFL level coaching ie; route running and hand skills... and old fashioned maturity that comes with time in the big leagues.

He may never be a true #1, but at worst he's a take it to the house 2 or 3 on any given play type of player... cuts on a dime, instant burst, top end speed... all ingredients for success at the next level.

Here's a shot of Ekpre-Olomu (14) shutting down Cooks in the Civil War:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/wp-conte...-respect-1.png


This play against the Huskies was sick:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/wp-conte.../Cooks-YAC.gif

Sorter 02-26-2014 07:11 PM

Don't know how you could be upset with Cooks or Beckham.

Frosty 02-26-2014 07:12 PM

Oh, and this is why OldBob doesn't like Cooks:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/wp-conte...ooks-YAC-2.gif


:)

OldSchool 02-26-2014 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10455804)
Here's a shot of Ekpre-Olomu (14) shutting down Cooks in the Civil War:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/wp-conte...-respect-1.png

Sure, take a screen shot and post it as proof. On that play cooks was lined up across the field from Ekpre Olomu, his coaches knew that he couldn't get open against Olomu so they tried to line him up against Terrence Mitchell instead. But what happened on that play was Cooks ran a deep post and Olomu had deep thirds on his side and saw where the QB was looking so he ran over to help defend the pass from across the field. Again, Cooks couldn't get open when lined up against Olomu. The only receptions he got when lined up against Olomu was the first dig route and then a few quick screen stuff. He couldn't get open on a route past 10 yards on Olomu. And I could care less about the Bears right now, we suck even worse without Tedford. You realize that we had virtually the worst defense in all of college football in 2013 right?

I say that Cooks couldn't get open on the outside against a NFL starting level corner and you go post a clip of Cooks facing Practice Squad, at best, level players. And wtf is Bob?

OldSchool 02-26-2014 07:31 PM

This pretty much sums up Cooks vs Olomu.

http://dailyemerald.com/wp-content/u....OSU_.0461.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...wyVGyeM2EPsPMQ

Frosty 02-26-2014 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10455845)
Sure, take a screen shot and post it as proof.

I was reading an article on Philly.com about Cooks and saw that. I just posted it to give you some shit. Lighten the **** up, man.

Easy 6 02-26-2014 07:55 PM

End result of these most recent posts... I'll be absolutely thrilled with Cooks, but if they decide to go taller/slightly more longstrider, I'll still be happy.

Just gimme some damn upgrades, big and leapy, short and squirty... just do some IMPROVING... its honestly tough trying to figure out what Reid and co. want in this first real (scouting department fully enrolled) draft of the regime.

Extremely interesting draft no matter what happens, gah I cant wait... football is life.

Frosty 02-26-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10455898)
End result of these most recent posts... I'll be absolutely thrilled with Cooks, but if they decide to go taller/slightly more longstrider, I'll still be happy.

Just gimme some damn upgrades, big and leapy, short and squirty... just do some IMPROVING... its honestly tough trying to figure out what Reid and co. want in this first real (scouting department fully enrolled) draft of the regime.

Extremely interesting draft no matter what happens, gah I cant wait... football is life.

Like I said before, I am not pushing for the Chiefs to take Cooks. I'm mostly just hoping he doesn't go to the Raiders or Broncos. That would suck.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10455911)
Like I said before, I am not pushing for the Chiefs to take Cooks. I'm mostly just hoping he doesn't go to the Raiders or Broncos. That would suck.

Yeah, we already have enough trouble dealing with Welker in the slot and guys like TY Hilton. I hope that Dorsey realizes that sometimes fast and slightly smaller is better than big and slower.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10455876)
I was reading an article on Philly.com about Cooks and saw that. I just posted it to give you some shit. Lighten the **** up, man.

NEVER!:)

But seriously, if Beckham, Lee, and Evans are all gone, I would want Cooks if we were going to take a receiver there. Reid found a way to milk McCluster for 53 receptions and 511 yards in his first season here. What would he do with Brandin Cooks in Dexter's old role? :drool:

Ragged Robin 02-26-2014 09:01 PM

Trade down and pick up Matthews and Abbrederis. 'nuff said

OldSchool 02-26-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10456044)
Trade down and pick up Matthews and Abbrederis. 'nuff said

Problem is, we're kind of in a bad spot unless someone falls to us that another team really really wants. Teams who want to trade up will most likely be shooting for the top 15 or top 20. We're just out of that range. I'm sure that someone is going to want to leapfrog us for a wr/safety if there is a run on them early.

saphojunkie 02-27-2014 10:10 AM

Damn, Landry has some big ass hands.

OldSchool 02-27-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10456638)
Damn, Landry has some big ass hands.

Too bad he is so slow though. He could be as good as Boldin is though, he makes some insane catches.

saphojunkie 02-27-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10456649)
Too bad he is so slow though. He could be as good as Boldin is though, he makes some insane catches.

Beckham in the first, landry in the third. All LSU, all the time.

Jakemall 02-27-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10456160)
Problem is, we're kind of in a bad spot unless someone falls to us that another team really really wants. Teams who want to trade up will most likely be shooting for the top 15 or top 20. We're just out of that range. I'm sure that someone is going to want to leapfrog us for a wr/safety if there is a run on them early.

This is true..you just have to be ready for both possibilities. Dorsey has said pretty clearly that he'll go BPA regardless of what position. It's a good place to be when you can afford to do that as an organization.


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