Yeah, this guy isn't arrogant or anything.

Christ, nothing like a guy who has accomplished jack in the NFL treating players like he's king shit.

Sounds like the Gunther of OCs. An OC should never be "fiery" or have a temper. He should be calm and calculating like Al Saunders.

how many of these same crying vaginas will be sucking daboll's meat-stick next season?

I hope to hell we are all wrong about him.

I think Romeo's a product of great situations- being anything remotely associated with the Patriots is huge, and he was the DC for three (right?) super bowls. I think Cassel's the product of the same "system". Both are reaping the lucrative benefits of being associated with those teams. Daboll's had shit to work with. Apples and oranges.

You all will be wrong.

If Zorn was calling the plays VS the packers i think he'd have been the better hire

Still not sure if thread is serious.

Our families' collective decision to not renew our season tickets looks better by the minute........

He's making 7 figures a year and has been trusted to run the offenses of 3 different billion dollar franchises. He's accomplished something.

Seriously, what makes you an authority? Coaches have different styles and they mix it up to motivate different personalities. Some players need a kick in the ass. Some players need a hug. Just because he was hard on Colt McCoy doesn't mean that's his chosen tact for every single player.

the nfl coaching club/circle is a joke...

Not among his peers. As NFL coaches go he's dogshit.

Are you actually defending this shitty hire?

Let's hope Cassel shoots better than he throws.

As I said, I certainly hope so. Whenever the organization does something this bizaare I hope this. Unfortunately, that hope has been wasted recently.

this coaching staff is not good at all. its actually a lot worse than a few college football teams. Crennel is the real deal and so is the linebackers coach, but that's about it.

Rule of thumb: if Tony Sparano hires someone, don't hire that someone.

Hey stupid ****s

Your uneducated opinion isn't the only way to do shit.


You guys are the whiniest ****ing fans in the nfl.


Pound your chests, dipshits.

Not at all.

Matt Cassel IS Piolis "candy wrapper" and this hire seems to indicate he isnt planning on picking it up.

2011 Dolphins yardage over first 8 games .....2583
2011 Dolphins yardage over last 8 games ......2503

Here is the "benefit"

Reggie Bush and Matt Moore played fairly well.

I wonder what Dwayne Bowe thinks of this hire.

You speak of his peers dumb****, but 3 of 32 have hired this guy and the rest how can you speak of their opinion?

Maybe they only hired him to coach the OL and Adam was just guessing about the OC position.

morphius
don't step on my dreams!

Put down the sauce and go to bed.

Have 3 head coaches hired this guy? yes, that's a fact

I'm curious where does your "fact" that he's dogshit in the coaching circles comes from. Please provide proof .

He is hired as the OC

The Chiefs have hired former Dolphins assistant Brian Daboll as their offensive coordinator, a league source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Daboll, a former assistant with new Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel with the Patriots, was one of three reported finalists for the job along with quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn and former Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Al Saunders.

Hamstrung by injuries, Kansas City had one of the least productive offenses in the NFL.

The Chiefs were previously interested in former Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman before he chose to join new head coach Joe Philbin's staff in Miami, and former Rams offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who has instead returned to Bill Belichick's staff in New England.

The Chiefs hired Tom McMahon to coach special teams and cut ties on Monday with three assistants from former head coach Todd Haley's staff.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

I'm defending nothing. I'm just saying he's accomplished a lot more than anybody here. Excepting Arash Ferdowsi, I'm guessing he banks more than any 10 people combined from this site.

I'm also suggesting you don't have the slightest idea what kind of management style an offensive coordinator should utilize. I'm betting the guy doesn't scream at every player, just the ones he thinks need a kick in the shorts.

Nobody here has a crystal ball. He might thrive in KC. He might flop. We idiot fans don't really have any idea what he's going to do.

This hire dubs the Chiefs as the assholes of the NFL now, Christ no competent coaching candidate doesn't want to work under the Pioli regime.

Hired by Tony Sparano and Eric Mangini, holy ****ing shit. Those guys are known for great coaching hires and winning football games.

Go look up how his offenses performed. Dogshit.

He was also quarterbacks coach for the New York jets for two years. One year they were dogshit. The next year he got Brett Favre to perform at a below average level.

Dog

Shit.

Well, that's relevant!

I'm not sure if your speaking ancient text or not.

Maimi beat the Chiefs, right? So this is how we get back at them.

stop drinking then, and sleep it off

Do you want to know how ****ing stupid I think you are? How many god damned years in this league had brett ****ing favre before he went to the jets? Are you really saying that a qb coach at that point in favres career had shit to do with his performance? Favre was a "gunslinger" a chance taker. Make a great one miss a bad one. That's always been his MO.

Next stupid ****.
You stated he was regarded as dog shit. Where are the quotes from those statements. You weren't speaking in terms of your opinion on stats you were speaking on the opinion of the coaching circle in the NFL.


Point proven you don't know shit. Still. Hide in mommy's basement and edit some stolen video using window movie maker and maybe someone will like you.

J Diddy's current BAC would kill most dogs.

IMHO - this means the higher ups of the organization think we have talent on the O side. enough to not change philosophy. I think Miami did pretty good for bad talent this year. Lets see how it turns out...

I apologize for what I'm doing to your bitches.

The guy keeps getting 7 figure paydays to coach. He must not be a bumbling idiot. I'm not suggesting he's a world beater but he has most definitely accomplished "jack" in the NFL.

I'll say something positive:

The Dolphins had one of the worst RTs in the NFL, and we do too, so Daboll will be comfortable here.

you are so ****ing we Todd did.

Didn't Miami's 32nd ranked offense beat our 11th ranked defense this year with their own gawd awful QB? I'm just saying...

With all due respect, not only are facts frowned upon here they are discouraged.

The negative facts outweigh the positive ones in this case.

No one with any actual ability to reason considers one game against the Chiefs as an indicator for future success.

CRAP!

If Daboll could read the stuff being written about him by a 29 year old dufus living with his mother and father who hadn't even kissed a girl until about 11 months ago, he would fall out of his chair. I'm not hardly running out to buy a Daboll jersey but the guy is on his way up in the NFL, not on his way down. Sometimes you have to start off with crappy teams to work your way onto a contender.

No one with actual ability to reason considers one game as the determining factor.

Cleveland was a mess. Miami was a mess. There was far too much wrong with the players on the field for anyone to form a decisive conclusion about the man's abilities as a coordinator.

All of you people freaking out about this are the same exact reeruns who say you NEED a franchise QB. Derp dee derp, but OC's who are shackled with terrible QB's are bad, and ones who take jobs with great QB's are smart?

Am I the ONLY person who sees the rather stupid circular logic that kind of assessment is based around?

Now here's why I don't like it: Pioli did the safe thing AGAIN. He hired what he was familiar with. Here's another thing that pisses me off: I think this has a lot to do with Matt Cassel. We bring in another Earhardt-Perkins guy because it's the only offense Cassel knows and he apparently struggled with the minor changes in philosophy between NE, Haley, and Weis (all of whom run the same system!). Not only that, but because the system changes so little it doesn't create a learning curve that would expose Cassel's lack of actual ability in a competition with another QB.

The positive in this is that it would require the least transition because it's the same system.

The problem is that his background won't excite anyone. Still though, fans over-rate coordinators. Talent is more important. Get a better QB. As long as he understands 'run on 3rd and short" and 'pass on 3rd and long", it's up to the talent to execute. I'm sick of us blaming coordinators instead of fixing the talent issues. We did it with the defense during the DV years. We need a better QB, and until we get one we'll be cycling through OC's.

I don't like the hire, but it's not so much an indictment on Daboll's abilities, which I think are hard to discern. I don't like it because it's exactly who I expected us to hire. Safe and predictable. Blah.

If there's any hope to be found, one might note the coincidence in timing in Pioli and Romeo coming out unified in their "QB competition" mantra just 24 hours before getting their OC signed.

Maybe even the "safe" choice was like "**** you, I'm not tying my career to THAT guy."

Looks like he found another crappy team.

He's basically a groupie for underachieving schmucks from the Parcells/Patriots tree. I'm sure he'll find another job as a quarterbacks coach before he directs any offense worth a shit.

Outstanding analysis. Adding insult to injury, looks like the hire prolongs the tenure of Mark Castle.

Heh. I'll bet any one of us here would like to groupie for that paycheck.

I think the decision was made largely to ensure Cassel had an advantage in the 'competition.' Same system. It allows some continuity, but that largely benefits the QB.

The team has preached competition for Cassel all along, and it's always been hollow. I define people by actions, not words. Pioli and the coaches can talk competition all they want, but from what I've seen there's really been no effort made to bring in anyone who could compete with Cassel. They've said this before, but their actions appear to show them quite committed to Cassel.

HMOG

this keeps getting worse the more I dig into it.

Chad Pennington 2006
10-6 w/l record

Chad Penningtons 2007 (his only one with Daboll)
1-7 w/l record

Chad Pennington 2008 (after he left Daboll and NY and went to the 1-15 Dolphins)
11-5 W/L record

In those 3 years:

Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITHOUT Daboll:

36:23

Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITH Daboll

10:9

...

Brett Favre had one of his worst passing years ever with Daboll.

2007 (the year BEFORE Daboll touched him)
13-3 win loss record
95.7 QB rating
260 yards per game
7.8 YPA
4155 yards
5.2 TD%
28:15 TD:INT

Pretty good year, fell barely short of the Superbowl.

2007 (His ONLY year with Daboll)
9-7 W/L record
81 QB rating (-14.7 points)
217 yards per game (-43 yards per game)
6.7 YPA (-1.1 YPA)
3472 yards (-683 yards)
4.2 touchdown % (-1%)
22:22 TD:INT ratio (-6/+7)

Thats ****ing garbage!

Now, lets look how he did the very next year on his next team...

2009
12-4 win loss record (just shy of the superbowl, again)
107.2 QB rating (+26.2)
262.6 yards per game (+45 YPG)
7.9 YPA (+1.3 YPA)
4202 yards passing (+730 yards)
6.2 TD% (+2%)
33:7 TD:INT ratio (+11/-15)


61:22 TD:INT ratio in the two years surrounding his time with Daboll.
22:22 with him.

25-7 WITHOUT Daboll
9-7 WITH HIM

Averaged just about 100 QB rating without him, 81 with him.

Averaged about 45 yards PER GAME LESS with Daboll.

I dont know how much further I want to dig....its looking awfully bleak so far.

**** this hire.

If Zorn walks because we hired this guy.... :facepalm:

Daboll, who turns 37 in a couple of months, was on staff for two years in New England after the Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in 2005. Though this isn't a sexy hire for Kansas City, Cassel has enjoyed his best two NFL seasons (2008, 2010) in systems just like Daboll's. While Romeo Crennel has vowed to create competition, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is still a huge Cassel supporter. Feb 4 - 12:56 AM
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1354/chiefs-offense

LMAO JFC

Haley and Weis run the Earhardt-Perkins offense too.

This may all be true, but in the bigger picture, keeping the same system should actually be a good thing if you want to get rid of Cassel.

If we'd hired Saunders or anyone else with a new system, that's probably two more years of Cassel minimum. Definitely with Saunders because all we'd hear about was how Trent, a guy who already knew the offense, sucked his first year here. They wouldn't dump Cassel after a bad year in a new offense.

But if the offense is the same and Cassel shits the bed, what excuse is Pioli going to have to defend him? He'd have no choice but to make a move, unless he's just gonna go down with the ship.

Damn, that is some condemning shit.

It basically looks like Pioli is circling the wagons around Cassel so yeah, he'll definitely go down with the ship if Cassel craps himself in 2012. Every hire Pioli has made has been with continuity and friendliness to his $60 million dollar man. They've spent 1/3rd that in coaching salaries just getting guys here who will work with the agenda.

Hire daboll...
???...
Profits...
Super bowl

I'm all in until proven otherwise based on the lone fact that Daboll's crappy Miami offense beat our awesome defense (albeit sans Berry). I've swilled the Piole/Hunt cool aide, and I don't care what any of you think...HIcup!:thumb:

FML

They hired him sole b/c of what "he was able to do with Moore". Thinking he can get the most out of Cassel.

Which would be a great thing... devoting your staff to developing your star QB. Building the staff for him.

I say 'would' because there's obviously a serious problem with us doing it.

Moore flashed similar ability in Carolina. I think that's a strawman. Moore is simply better than people think.

He also wanted to trade for Kyle Orton in Miami prior to last year, to replace the guys he already had on roster like Chad Henne and Moore.

At least there's that.

I thought they brought in Moore after the start of the season.

You can tell that he's full of shit just by looking at his picture
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Don't think so. He's spanning teams, offensive systems, receivers, opponents, strength of schedule, dome vs. outdoor.

Those numbers aren't really all that goofy when you consider all the factors. Favre was throwing to Coles and Cotchery with the Jets (and Pennington was as well). Pennington's Jets played the NFC East in 2007 which included 13-3, 10-6, 9-7, and 8-8 as well as the undefeated Patriots.

I don't think you have enough data on the table to put all that crap on Daboll.

Absolutely frightening, isn't it?

This is completely embarrassing...

Just talking win loss and TD:INT ratios, here are Chad Pennington and Brett Favres combined totals for with and without Daboll:

46-18 win loss record WITHOUT DABOLL the 2 surrounding years combined for both players

10-14 WITH DABOLL

On paper, this is a horrendous hire.

...

Now lets talk combined TD:INT ratio....that is if you can stomach reading this info...I admit it made me a little ill researching it...

97:45 TD:INT WITHOUT DABOLL

32:31 WITH DABOLL

Is it bad that I wish Cassel to have a career ending injury or Pioli to be caught molesting a donkey and gets jailed for it?
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This is true. But the lack of positives is quite frankly, shocking, considering we're tabbing this guy to fix our broken offense.

Chad Pennington went to the 1-15 Dolphins and lead them to a 11-5 record with pretty much the same stats he got in NY the year before Daboll got there with essentially the same set of tools Brett had to work with.

I hope that last statement made sense, its late and it made sense to me.

Those boil down numbers of the surrounding production is way past scary.

Its the closest brand of "stat proof" we have to go off at the time being.

Lets just HOPE he has had an epiphany since then, I guess.

Our offense isn't all that broken. We get our star RB back. We get a talented TE. Our 1st round draft pick will have a year and an actual offseason under his belt. Our starting center won't be shoved all over the place because he's gone along with his precious consecutive snaps streak. Even with a questionable OC hire and Cassel at QB, I predict an offense in the top half of the league.

The positives for me are that Romeo and Pioli are staking very high dollar salaries on this guy. He's not sexy but he's not some retread has-been either.

He'll be HC when Crennel is done.

I get what you're trying to prove with numbers. But when you start analyzing numbers you have to work with constants and eliminate variables. All you have are variables with the statistics you're presenting. RainMan and cdcox would laugh at the numbers you're presenting here simply because you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

The positive to this hire versus Saunders or Zorn is that Cassel doesn't get another "excuse year" where he gets a free pass due to another scheme change.

Its either shit, or finally get the **** off the pot.

Maybe it also gives Orton something too,because Daboll wanted him in Miami.

Other than that, Im finding a hard time seeing the bright side to this hire and I started digging hoping that I would find something to be positive about.

That, obviously, didn't happen.

UHHH NO they got the OC we wanted and gave us the one they didnt

Well, in football, what you propose is nearly impossible to do.

Especially with a guy that hasnt been able to keep a job long enough to form a decent sample size.

This is his third OC job in the last 4 years. Is that right? crazy.

All I did was just compile some performance data from the most relevant things to judge from at the position.

At this point, all Im saying with all of this is that it seems he didnt help to improve the play of the players under his coaching...in fact the opposite is closer to the actual truth.

The guy leaves NE and right after he does so, they make moves for Welker and Moss and go on to one of the best offenses the league has ever seen.

I really want to believe in this hire, Im a glass half full type of guy by nature and his job and the fruits of his work are pivitol in this teams chances at success over the next couple years...but Im finding it hard to find positives about this hire.

I can almost assure you that there are 15 better coordinators in college fb

To me this is much worse than taking another DE with our first rd pick

It is ironic that your very next post is about the NFL draft because the simple truth is that this hire is very much like a draft pick. There's not a single person on this site who can know how this thing is going to turn out 2 years down the road. We just don't know. And we have to wait until September to even get a glimpse. So there's no sense losing our shorts over it tonight.

This is a hire that screams "no worthy candidate from a playoff team wanted the job, so we called in a member of the tree. Go Cassel."

Phil, what do you see in this hire that says "we can win playoff games with this guy as our OC"?