That was my rub too. Turns out when you'll put a little effort into them, and actually try them, there's some really good ones out there.

Brussel sprouts in a grill over indirect heat with olive oil drizzled over them and lots of smoke are delicious. The oil takes in the smoke and it's crazy good. I had no idea cause to me grills were for meat.

i really like them too

when i am lazy i split them and roast them at about 475, until they are soft and even a little charred right in the oven, with the drizzle. hell yah man

i like to grill cauliflower and onions and potatoes too

green onions

carrots
etc

I started keto with this link and used the calculator to figure out calories/day and how much I'd lose, etc.... regardless of going keto, I thought the calculator was useful.

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq

I use the LoseIt app, don't know how much better/worse it is than MyFitnessPal... it lets you scan in food with barcodes, which is pretty nice, and gives you a daily and weekly breakdown of nutrition.

I think that level of tracking is the best thing someone can do... I've known a lot of people who start exercising and cutting out certain foods, etc; but don't track calories and then get frustrated when they aren't losing weight.

That reminds me, my wife made some buffalo cauliflower in the oven, put shredded salad all over the top with that whole 30 avocado ranch dressing and that shit was the bomb.

And I don't like cauliflower.

next time u have your grill going indirect smoke, take some chopped up cauliflower and onions and a few like yukon potato chunks, drizzle with olive oil and cook it just like you do your sprouts (maybe in a tin or whatnot), then put a little shredded cheese on after u take off grill and cover till melted

Vegan sounds depressing as **** to have to resort to.

I've been wasting too much time trying to find the magical way of eating that would let me spontaneously cut calories without having to measure but I think I've gotten too old for them to work now. So now it's off to measuring and calculating everything I eat. I find it a drudgery but so is hauling around extra weight.

How's it worked for you? The only way I found I could keep myself keto was to fast. If I didn't eat for 3-5 days I rocked it, felt great, needed less sleep, but as soon as I would eat I'd **** the ratios all up.

I find that a pack of smokes and 10 cups of coffee keeps me trim as a twig

Sounds good - I went over to moms just a minute ago - she had a skillet full of cheeseburgers - I told her it's my kryptonite and passed.

tonight i'm going to have a Subway six inch wheat w/ turkey - no cheese, only mustard and jalapenis, may have a cup of sf jello too.

I don't want to be a douche but you've got to be getting these calories from somewhere.

Either you're eating and drinking more than you think or you don't get much activity whatsoever..?

the difference between gaining and losing weight weekly is a pretty thin margin...literally just drinking one soda/beer less and eating 1 slice of bread less every day can mean the difference between losing or gaining weight weekly...

1 piece of bread is like 100 calories.....

1 pint of beer can be 250 or 300 calories

1 soda, probably 200 or 300

a lot of people (and I was one of them) do not realize they are eating more calories than they burn every day...and even if youre a LITTLE BIT off , it means you constantly gain instead of maintain or lose...

its REALLY hard to estimate (for me anyway)....so i simply have to keep track or I go over too much.

Cure is worse than the disease.

3500 calories = 1 pound


Do the math.