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BlackOp 01-16-2022 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16078270)
Oh, so you're saying the league is going to rig it for the two NFC favorites to win today.

Thanks for the insight!

No...those teams make the most strategic sense for NFL Inc.

There are no more upsets like Indy/Colts left....I'm not picking on which team I think is better...I actually almost never pick using that method. I dont really pay attention to if they are home or not either...

TimBone 01-16-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16078388)
No...those teams make the most strategic sense for NFL Inc.



There are no more upsets like Indy/Colts left....

Cool.

Favorites today win = NFL profitable strategy

Riveting stuff.

Curé 01-16-2022 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16078292)
I'm "at the point" that says we don't know that the NFL does or doesn't have part time employees that influence games using the very gray area of whistles. The league has done a lot to make sure certain calls aren't reviewable (part of the gray area), all by a group of people who don't ever appear to be graded and disciplined when they make mistakes.

So when people go to the extreme of saying "it's rigged" (a harsh thing to say) that's one thing, but by the NFL not having any apparent review process of their officials, and if (if....) there is one, it doesn't seem to result in any disciplinary actions for those infractions (making bad calls, calling a game unequally, and supposedly missing calls).

Why? Why is it that these people are evidently above scrutiny? And if people they are scrutinized by their employer, show me proof.

My thought is that they (the officials) don't get specific orders from the league, that would be trackable. I'm more of the mindset that says that in the process of becoming an NFL official that those who are selected aren't solely selected on their knowledge of the complex rule book, and here comes the tinfoil hat comment (!!!), I think they limit the candidates on the tendencies they shown toward understanding not only the rules, but also the business of entertainment.

Yeah, wild, I know... But when you look at the totality of what we see, not that there aren't exceptions, we see week in and week out a lot (but not 100%) officiating that tends to favor the NFL's bottom line and promote NFL-favorable story lines. From blowing whistles if a favored QB gets hit but letting other QBs get pummeled, to calling ticky-tac DPI calls while ignoring WR push-offs.

Again, I'm only suggesting the people who have the ability to greatly influence the outcome of games with their whistles and flags, don't appear to be held to a standard by their employer. The very group that's in charge of holding other league employees to standards. That's an issue.

In before: "Because I have no answer for that (admitting that there's no proof that the NFL holds their officials to any standard, much less a high standard), I'll just claim you're wearing a tinfoil hat and should never watch football again."

"Proof" goes both ways...

i used something called the google. i didn't have to go thru 31 million results. this was result 2:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ir-performance

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I wanted to know more, however, so I reached out to former NFL official Jerry Frump, who refereed three regular-season games during the NFL's 2012 lockout of the NFL Referees Association.

"The NFL has a very sophisticated evaluation system," Frump told me. "Every single play is graded."

Every week, Frump told me, every official's performance on every play is reviewed by league staff members with on-field officiating experience. Further, Frump said, there's "a live evaluation being done by somebody on-site," and the report from the observer is taken into account along with the film study grades.

"Just like the players shoot for the postseason," Frump told me, "everybody is looking for ways to improve themselves, because the grading system determines who goes and works the postseason games."

KChiefs1 01-16-2022 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16078245)
Just once I'd like to watch Brady get his own treatment thrown against him in a game.


That will never happen.


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TimBone 01-16-2022 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Curé (Post 16078408)
i used something called the google. i didn't have to go thru 31 million results. this was result 2:



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ir-performance

I've already explained to him that the information is available.

He doesn't want it. He wants to have something to blame when the Chiefs lose.

GloryDayz 01-16-2022 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16078385)
Listen, man. I just want statements. You and BlackOp both have a way of making long posts that don't really say shit.

I just need a yes or no. You believe the WhistleGate play yesterday was purposely done by the refs? Be it for profits, entertainment, ratings. You believe it was a purposeful incident?

I'm on record as saying it was an incompetent action by an official. A mistake that may have had an affect on the overall outcome of the game.

If you're saying it was purposeful, why would they choose that way to alter a game outcome. It's a really controversial way to go about it. Why would they not choose a more subtle, acceptable way?

Are you saying they wanted NFL circles talking about that controversy today? Is that what you mean by entertainment?

I'll answer your question, yes, I believe the NFL hires officials who are like-minded and make calls, selectively, to influence the outcome of games to benefit the league's goals of excitement, traditions, storylines, and of growing their product and profits.

Now your turn, do you have proof that the NFL grades the officials? Not suggestions of a program; IOW do you have a grade card to prove they have this program?

I bet you don't. All you have is faith in the face of questionable and timely calls...

GloryDayz 01-16-2022 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Curé (Post 16078408)
i used something called the google. i didn't have to go thru 31 million results. this was result 2:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ir-performance

I've read that before, but there's no proof, and certainly no sign that disciplinary actions were taken for bad/missed calls. Show me a grade card... Otherwise there's no proof of any of this.

I'm not saying there's not a meeting, but I think they show up more for the coffee and donuts more than anything.

And if the only incentive is post-season officiating, well that's pretty weak.. I don't believe the program is much more than a lunch club. If it is more, we'd see more evidence week-to-week that the program is working.

GloryDayz 01-16-2022 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16078464)
I've already explained to him that the information is available.

He doesn't want it. He wants to have something to blame when the Chiefs lose.

That isn't true at all, you're being emotional, I'm just asking for a grade card. We see stats on player performance, why not stats on the officials?

I know, I know, officiating - it's a tough job (like being a linebacker is easy), and "faith"...

Stop being emotional and back up what your belief with proof.

TimBone 01-16-2022 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16078471)
I'll answer your question, yes, I believe the NFL hires officials who are like-minded and make calls, selectively, to influence the outcome of games to benefit the league's goals of excitement, traditions, storylines, and of growing their product and profits.



Now your turn, do you have proof that the NFL grades the officials? Not suggestions of a program; IOW do you have a grade card to prove they have this program?



I bet you don't. All you have is faith in the face of questionable and timely calls...

No, you still didn't answer specifically about yesterday's call.

You believe the early whistle play was done purposefully?

Also, I'm not sure why you think I'm emotional. I find this all very silly.

GloryDayz 01-16-2022 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16078497)
No, you still didn't answer specifically about yesterday's call.

You believe the early whistle play was done purposefully?

Also, I'm not sure why you think I'm emotional. I find this all very silly.

#1 I think your emotional because of your replies and need to defend the league.

#2 I have no idea if it was purposeful, just like you have no proof of a real and effective officials review program that would hold the official accountable for that early whistle.

Let's face it, your side won't accept anything short of a memo sent to the officials on NFL letterhead that says which games should be won by which teams. Just like "I" (and it's literally just me) won't accept anything short of a grade card that shows that the official in question ****ed up, will be held accountable, and what being accountable means.

When players screw up, we hear all about their fines and suspensions, why not the officials?

Again, this won't ever get solved because there are no memos to officials, and there's no evidence of grade cards or discipline awarded to officials.

It's all good, there's no hate, just differing opinions of what we're all seeing.

wbbonneriii 01-16-2022 01:35 PM

NFL IS So Rigged by the Refs…

No holding
Late hit out of bounds - no call…

All to make sure Brady gets thru to next round.

Cowboys will get every single ref call too…

I hope the eagles break Brady’s right pointer finger to shove it up the NFLs butt…

GloryDayz 01-16-2022 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16078548)
NFL IS So Rigged by the Refs…

No holding
Late hit out of bounds - no call…

All to make sure Brady get through…

Cowboys will get every single ref call too…

I hope the eagles break Brady’s right pointer finger to shove it up the NFLs butt…

#1 All judgment calls.

#2 There's a hold on every play, but only certain holds happen to be seen by the officials, and they are all called. Selective vision..

#3 Tinfoil..

#4 Officiating is tough. So tough that it's a part time job...

#5 All those missed calls will end the official's chances to officiate any more playoff games because of a super-secret program that never produces anything.

BlackOp 01-16-2022 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16078395)
Cool.

Favorites today win = NFL profitable strategy

Riveting stuff.

You're just getting desperate...NFL has already arranged the post-season seeding exactly how they wanted it.

Now that said teams are in...there aren't any Texans over the Titans (first meeting) style of upsets for me to predict.

Maybe you forgot about my picking that one....

wbbonneriii 01-16-2022 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16078574)
You're just getting desperate...NFL has already arranged the post-season seeding exactly how they wanted it.

Now that said teams are in...there aren't any Texans over the Titans (first meeting) style of upsets for me to predict.

Maybe you forgot about my picking that one....

This x1,000

They rigged the seeding and the schedule…like I said before they want cowboys to go to brady and then Brady to go to Packers…they will call all games for that to happen.

I also think Cincy will get every single call against the titans and I’m pretty sure the Chiefs will have to beat the refs and bills next round too…

wbbonneriii 01-16-2022 01:57 PM

It is funny that every single positive play by the eagles is called back by some hold but you see the Bucs defense holding every single play with no calls…NFL is a rigged production.


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