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Deberg_1990 11-02-2016 05:32 PM

So I'm still not clear on if the hosts can harm humans or not?

It's been established they can't kill guests with guns. But what about other means? They show white hats BIL about to get strangled, then later on its implied that white hat leaves his BIL to get killed by the renegade soldiers.


Can they do physical harm with their bare hands to humans??

listopencil 11-02-2016 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 12524620)
If Harris in an android, he'd have to be pretty special because the bullets bounce off of him.

I think it's a software issue. The androids are constructed (now) to resemble a real human when shot. They rip open, they bleed, they require blood to operate so they will shut down when they run too low on blood. If an android shoots two targets side by side, one human and one android, the android will kill the android but only sting the human. With the same weapon. So that 'decision' to either maim or simply slightly injure must be built into the system. It could be a combination of the weapon and the android, or even something in the environment considering Ed Harris had to get permission to cause an explosion that freed him from his cell.

listopencil 11-02-2016 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12524706)
So I'm still not clear on if the hosts can harm humans or not?

It's been established they can't kill guests with guns. But what about other means? They show white hats BIL about to get strangled, then later on its implied that white hat leaves his BIL to get killed by the renegade soldiers.


Can they do physical harm with their bare hands to humans??

I would say no. You get a feeling for how complex the AI of this universe is when Ed Harris threatens Anthony Hopkins with a knife.

listopencil 11-02-2016 05:47 PM

Think of it like this:

Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics"


  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
<hr>http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html

The androids are roughing up Rodrigo Santoro when William escapes but he's smiling at the end of the scene because he knows he's not really in any danger. Now remember that every potentially dangerous item is controlled by the company. In one scene a fire wasn't started because the only host with the correct psychological blocks necessary to be allowed to handle an axe wasn't present. The guns don't function correctly when used against a human. The explosives Ed Harris used had to be authorized before they were allowed to work (also meaning that the nitro wasn't going to blow up on that train regardless of whether Dolores shot at it).

Buck 11-02-2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12524736)
Think of it like this:

Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics"


  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
<hr>http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html

The androids are roughing up Rodrigo Santoro when William escapes but he's smiling at the end of the scene because he knows he's not really in any danger. Now remember that every potentially dangerous item is controlled by the company. In one scene a fire wasn't started because the only host with the correct psychological blocks necessary to be allowed to handle an axe wasn't present. The guns don't function correctly when used against a human. The explosives Ed Harris used had to be authorized before they were allowed to work (also meaning that the nitro wasn't going to blow up on that train regardless of whether Dolores shot at it).

Rodrigo Santoro is actually not the friend of William. He is the gunslinger Hector (the guy who rolls into town with his posse...the one who Maeve wants to stab her in the stomach). He looks almost exactly the same as the guy playing Logan though.

listopencil 11-02-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 12524794)
Rodrigo Santoro is actually not the friend of William. He is the gunslinger Hector (the guy who rolls into town with his posse...the one who Maeve wants to stab her in the stomach). He looks almost exactly the same as the guy playing Logan though.

OK, thanks for the correction, I'm trying to be clear with all of these characters involved and I can't keep their names straight.

Buck 11-02-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12524819)
OK, thanks for the correction, I'm trying to be clear with all of these characters involved and I can't keep their names straight.

Yep, that's the issue with watching a new show.

Rodrigo Santoro (Hector):

http://i.imgur.com/W1HVcjU.jpg

Ben Barnes (Logan):

http://i.imgur.com/55lKJOA.jpg

Hector Left/Logan Right

http://i.imgur.com/i6IvKGG.png

listopencil 11-02-2016 06:43 PM

Dang. They actually look a lot more alike then I realized.

Bowser 11-02-2016 06:52 PM

Huh....

KC_Lee 11-02-2016 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12524503)
I got swept up in Westworld excitement. Plus, I was posting just in case 99% of the board had KC Lee on ignore.

:facepalm:

:clap: ROFL

RINGLEADER 11-02-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 12524620)
If Harris in an android, he'd have to be pretty special because the bullets bounce off of him.

Robot bullets bounce off. And we've already established that the robots treat Anthony Hopkins like he is special.

listopencil 11-03-2016 02:01 AM

Meh. The more videos I watch of people explaining the multiple timelines theory the less believable it becomes.

Silock 11-03-2016 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12525086)
Robot bullets bounce off. And we've already established that the robots treat Anthony Hopkins like he is special.

But Anthony Hopkins isn't a robot.

frankotank 11-03-2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12520594)
It would be cool if Dolores is actually Yul Brenner's character from the movie.

I figured this would be exactly how it'd end up after the first few episodes....now I'm sure of it!

they kinda tricked you with Ed Harris...but he's human.

BWillie 11-03-2016 03:17 PM

I absolutely love this show, but I want to continue to be surprised. I had no idea this was a reboot until I read this thread a week ago. I have never heard of the original movie. Should I watch it or will that ruin anything for me?


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