Is... is Kendall Fuller not that good?
 

I was expecting a ton of PBU’s and QB’s avoiding his side of the field... instead, he falls down a bunch, gets beat and gets flagged for PI a lot.

Perhaps that’s just my impression.

Is it scheme? Youth? Wha ha happen?

This defense has ebolaids. EVERYONE is infected.

He forgot how to play defense is what I suspect.

Good defensive players become bad players when they join the Chiefs. Their ability levels go down, even though they should be in their prime years. Impossible to say why as there is no common link.

Definitely not as good as Peters was.

I personally haven't watched many of the all 22 looks but I can't imagine the safties are giving any help to our corners the way they should be. Even just mentally I think that can have an impact. On the surface I am disappointed but I still expect him to be a player we are happy to have. It's really hard to gauge anything with this defense.

He has always been a slot corner.

Pretending any differently was Veach’s problem from the beginning.

eh, i think he's playing fairly well in the scheme of things. He's one of the least people i am concerned with. The Dline and inside linebackers is where i rage.

He'd look a lot better with Patrick Peterson on the other side of the field...

Sure seems to be the case. Who was the last defensive player we added via trade or FA that we never ended up regretting?

I’m struggling to name any recent ones.

Right? Would have been nice to see Peters and Fuller together with this offense. No way Peters would still be sitting out with this team rolling on offense and struggling so much on defense. The guys too competitive. It’s why the trade was so stupid.. He would absolutely be a difference to this team right now and anyone who denies that is absolutely delusional.

Which is where he’s playing most of the time.

He's just not a #1 corner like Peters

Have you seen Peters this season? He's not a great corner either.

Peters has been trash, but we know that he would get takeaways. We’re getting burnt either way, might as well get a pick every other game.

I am so grateful for this.

He was traded as part of a package to acquire Alex smith. You do the math.

Peters is also playing through an injury.

:clap::clap::clap:

ya, let's trade for Peterson and put Fuller where he belongs. Maybe he can do well in the slot, but he certainly isn't doing well with what he's doing now.

I didn't watch any Redskins games last year, but is pretty much playing outside corner this whole season and last season he was slot only? Well ****, if that's the case just put him in the slot regardless and put another shitter on the outside, it would probably be an improvement.

I feel like he’s always been good for us.

He went up against Edelman, who is so deeply connected to Brady Giselle might as well adopt him.

Don’t overreact.

Fuller is still getting acclimated as to what Sutton wants from him in certain defensive scenarios and I assure the Pats like us are a difficult offense to prepare for when all your weapons are healthy.:shrug:

Yeah he is only rated 70 points better. Stupid post is stupid.

Get out of here with that shit. He was getting abused before his injury, which he acted like was broke but it was a minor sprain. Now with Talib out teams are still going after him with the likes of Joyner or Robey-Coleman on the other side.

I think he's been pretty solid....he just as shit safety coverage over the top.

5'11" Slot corner moves to outside in a "1 high safety" defense. Not surprising. He's often outsized with no help when on the outside. Anyone know what percentage of plays he covers slot now?

He saw Sutton in the showers after the first game. It changes a man.

That's certainly possible - I haven't watched any All 22 footage or read up on PFF this year. From just watching the games like any ol' slob, I tend to notice when he gets roasted/penalized on the outside.

Why do people think Fuller is playing outside? Scandrick and Nelson are the outside corners.

Christ it’s because Bob Sutton sucks BALLS. There is so much evidence to support it or lack of evidence suggesting it’s anything otherwise. He should have been shit canned last year. They re tooled the entire defense and they still suck. What does that tell you?. Bob Sutton sucks dick unless he has primo talent and who wouldn’t suck if you had that? Oh wait I forgot he manages to still **** up and drop them in coverage and all kinds of other dumb shit that loses us games.

Maybe the reason all our new guys on defense suck is because the defense takes three years to learn, by our own d-coordinator's admission.

People playing out of position or thinking instead of moving always look like bad defensive players. They're all hesitating and playing on their heels.

Here's an idea try to steal Washington's defensive coordinator instead of their players.

This has been Soren Petro's opinion as well.

Fuller has played below expectations. So has Hitchens.

The only guys that seems to be playing up to his potential (even though it isn't a high ceiling) is Scandrick and he's a 10-year vet.

Sutton HAS to be the problem at this point.

Nah, it's because Bob Sutton is an idiot.

You think? Right now most teams go after Steven Nelson for most of the game. If we stick Peterson how there then those teams will switch to going after Fuller. He's been struggling quite a bit.

We should put Tyreek in on defense from time to time...guarantee he will get to the ball...

They're all confused and a step behind.

Ragland has regressed, hitchens looked better last year.....

I just can't decide if the obvious D.C. Issue is heat is wrong or if the front 3 are shitty and not eating blocks which hurts the LB ability to make plays.

Hitchens may honestly just be a 4-3 LB that doesn't translate to a 3-4.

Seems like Fuller was getting outside reps thru game 4. (Maybe 5?) Is there a way to get those stats?

So Fuller is a slot CB that we are using on the outside. Hitchens is a 4-3 LB that we are using in a 3-4. Ragland is a 2-down dinosaur LB that should have played under Marty Schottenheimer. What could possibly be the problem?

And a safety that doesn't play, a one trick pony OLB mixed with another OLB that is about half the player he used to be...

Oh and a DL that talks a huge game and then plays hard about 40% of the time.

They be fans that watch football but doesn't understand how football is played.

ExtremeSkins thought so, too. Looks like we’ll need some hard data here.

If he’s outside, his decline makes sense.

If not, oh ****

If Fuller sucks ass in a different scheme and DC, I will agree.... Until then, I'm game for watching him under different management.

Does it feel like he commits more PI penalties down the field or is it just me?

Suttons scheme is also stupid for the shit it asks DB's to do. Do you think it's any coincidence how bad all of these guys look here?

Oh mighty purveyor of arcane football stats, please enlighten the unclean & unknowing football pagans that are CP. How many snaps has Fuller taken at slot corner & how many at outside corner these first 6 games? Please redeem us with your wisdom..

~Hugs & Kisses,
CP

Stop with this bullshit narrative. The injury has nothing to do with his bad play.

BS

Dude had a 50/50 career up to the trade. He sucked shit his rookie season on the outside and had a good 2nd season as a slot. He was always a gamble, don't give a damn what some around here wanted to believe.

And frankly, he's been fine in coverage. Can't tackle worth a shit though.

:rolleyes:
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He's a slot corner overmatched playing on the outside every down.

But it's that or give the safeties more responsibility and we know that ain't gonna work.

Kinda reminds me of Bradley Roby

Roby is a good slot corner, but he's been destroyed playing on the outside this season.

You know Veach and Sutton are salivating for the day Sorensen returns to the lineup. I'm sure they believe that will solve everything...

Per PFF

Snaps as slot corner: 293
Snaps as "wide Corner": 92

I'd have to watch it again but mainly I felt like he just slipped and messed up twice because of that vs the Pats.

On the all-22 Fuller is always beat and grabbing. OK, not always, but very often he has to reach out and grab or hold.

I was just watching some different media clips about the game, and the NFL weekend in general, and I had a thought or a question, and that is, did Washington punk us?

Did they already know that he wasn't really that good? Had they already determined that his ceiling was just a good slot corner, so they didn't really feel like they were giving up as much as we thought we were getting?

I know Peters is going through a rough stretch right now, but even with his aversion to tackling, he produced for this team, and added more value to this team than Fuller has, even with all the behind the scenes drama he caused.

I am hoping that leading up to his promotion, Veach had only been scouting offense at Reid's request or something, because if he really put all his football knowledge into the defensive players he has acquired, then he has no idea how to identify defensive talent.

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Scandrick has gotten better since the Chargers game. Against the Chargers he beaten badly on more than one occasion.

Hitchens kinda went in the other direction. He looked good early, but now his play has fallen off substantially. I know someone is going to bring up how many tackles he has, but someone on the defense has to get credited with tackles. It's like KU playing four guards, and Dave Armstrong talking up how well Vick rebounds. Someone has to get the rebounds.

They have both been big disappointments. But I feel like Sutton is coaching all the good habits and techniques out of Hitchens, but Fuller is just sooooo slooooow it does not matter where he lines up.

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I am replaying the game, and on the Edelman TD catch early in the 2nd quarter, Fuller slides over to cover him as he releases from the LOS, and Fuller is basically standing flat footed as Edelman runs by him, and he weakly tries to reach out and grab his arm to hold him. In the highlight you can see Fuller so off balance that he is almost falling face first into the turf as he stares at Edelman catching the TD pass. Edelman ran past him so fast that he kinda spun Fuller around as he blew by.

The LOS is the 17, and Fuller is standing on the 12, so Edelman has a full five yards to accelerate, and it seems that Fuller must think that Edelman is going to sit down in the zone in front of him, and is caught off guard when Edelman blows by him.

So, Fuller was basically playing slot corner and got toasted.

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Ragland must really be hurt. He played well against the run last year. The only change has been to NT and his "swollen knees." Otherwise his decline doesn't really make much sense.

Do you even watch the games Clay?

He’s almost always inside.

Yeah, my bad, but when he is outside it is a total mismatch, especially on deep routes.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a leader on defense that demanded accountability, and made sure everyone is in the right position to make plays?

Oh, wait......

Hmmm ... maybe it's the combination of Brady, Edelman, Gronk and Hoyer (as well as the crazy drug addict guy) that made us look so ... defenseless. Oh ... and the japanese appliance french chick isn't too bad either, actually.

(Probably not worth mentioning that we had about half the defense on IR or listed as half-dead in the injury report.)

This is interesting to me; since the beginning of the season, knowledgeable NFL observers have been saying, "The Patriots often start the season slow and use the first few games as an extended pre-season as they refine their schemes." I suppose I'm wondering why that would apply to the Belicheats, but not to other teams ... like us, for example.

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Christ, this defense is never going to be decent.

He's been outside on about 1/4th of his snaps.

Not all the time, but significant enough to be a problem apparently.

Fuller was moving inside all game against the patriots in sub formations. HE only played outside in the base defense.

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Niiiiiccccccceeee

Neither is Peters.:shrug:

Bounce back week!

He's good now!!!!!

Peters?!?!?!?! Bwahahaha

He sucks. I can only recall him making a couple good plays this year. I'm sure he made more, but nothing memorable. At this point I would do a straight up trade for Alex smiff as our backup.

Kendall Fuller is now the #20 ranked cornerback in the league according to PFF

Beyond stupid.

Fuller struggled a lot early but he's improved a ton over the course of the season. I think for him it was just a matter of getting comfortable.

All the young players have improved dramatically over the course of this season.

So refreshing to see KC playing youth instead of broke dick has beens that the fans clamour for.

These kids are exciting and bring an attitude to the game that we have never experienced in KC before.