No way do i envision a 8-8 season next year, this D took a MAJOR stride at indy & we still have a good core to build around on O.

Carr - confidence has been beaten from him like a mugging victim in Tijuana.

Eli - Perhaps the most overrated QB of the last 5 years. He plays the game & looks like he just lost his mom.

what happens to the cap hit if Trent "retires"

(quotes = see forced retirement)

Who is this "core" you speak of?

Just about 450 yards and 30 first downs are major strides?

Yes. We made them punt this time. /sarcasm]

Waters

LJ

TG - HOPEFULLY

BIGFOOT - Thats right, i said it.

2 solid vet QB's & 1 promising project. Even if one of the vets go's, i dont think its panic time.

Possibly Wiggy & Shields, who by the way, is still a top 10 G in my book.

F'N PLEASE, You dont think that a lot of that came later in the game when the D's legs felt like grape jelly???

BULLSHITE!!!

They had over 250 yards of offense and 12 first downs in the first half. Only six points, which was outstanding. But Manning made some mistakes that (IMO only) didn't seem like they were forced due to our defensive pressure.
Maybe they were. I don't know.

Edit: 15 first downs in the first half.

That will happen when the O goes for 5-7 consecutive 3 & outs.

I cant believe anyone would try to hang this on the D.

Scott. Grab ahold of your undies. Take you index finger and bend it like a hook. Now reach way in there and pull them out.

I'm NOT blaming this on the D. However, they were giving up yards left and right. Yes, they got three INT's. I'm happy with that. But they were no great shakes. This D, while miles better than the last few seasons, is still pretty .......marginal. At best.

Well, if the D would have just scored more then we wouldn't be bitching about a loss now would we?

At least they're not ranked 30 something.

Lets see here, Trent can run the circus offesne of DV/AS but a dumb down basic football offense he can't. :shake:

I disagree. We are one DT away from a top 10 defense. Not just any DT, a gamer, but that's it. Maybe a better MLB if we are married to the Cover 2, but this D is pretty sound.

Well Mr. Irish, i've gone commando since 91 when i didnt feel like taking up space in my ruck with undies on the way to a field problem in the ARMY. So i'm free & clear.

Part of the reason they were giving up so many yards, is because thats what the 2 is supposed to do, let'em move it between the 30's without giving up the bomb.

Were it not for the D, the score would have had us yanking out our hair by the handfuls. Most of the game, manning was moping around rolling his eyes like he always does because he couldnt punch it in.

The goal line stand didnt impress you???