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saphojunkie 05-15-2014 05:03 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/op...food.html?_r=2

An Inconvenient Truth About Our Food

“Fed Up” is probably the most important movie to be made since “An Inconvenient Truth,” to which it’s related in a couple of ways.

One of its producers is Laurie David, who also produced “An Inconvenient Truth.” Climate change, diet and agriculture are inexorably intertwined; we can’t tackle climate change without changing industrial agriculture, and we can’t change industrial agriculture without tackling diet.

Like “An Inconvenient Truth,” too, “Fed Up” can be seen as propaganda. (As can “Farmland,” the beautifully shot movie that looks and feels like a Chevy commercial and seems to take as its underlying premise that most Americans mistrust, even hate, farmers. It’s more than a little defensive.)

“Fed Up” says: “Here is a problem, a problem that vested interests have no interest in solving, and a problem that must be dealt with if we’re interested in our survival. It’s something worth fighting about.”

The problem at hand, of course, is the standard American diet, especially in its current iteration, which took shape in the early 1980s after the commencement of the official “eat food lower in fat” recommendations. Those recommendations led to a 25 percent increase in the per-capita supply (and indeed consumption) of calories.

Many of those calories were from sugar, on which “Fed Up” focuses (oversimplifying matters a bit, as far as I can tell, but we can live with that), and the high consumption of which contributes or leads to obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes and worse. The vested interests profiting from this situation are Big Food and its allies, who will, it seems, go to any lengths to maintain the status quo — even at the cost of our collective public and financial health. (It’s expensive to treat these chronic diseases, and we’re all footing that bill.)

At some point I have to get to the disclaimers, so here goes: Laurie David is a friend of mine. I’m also acquainted with Katie Couric, the film’s narrator, and half or more of the experts interviewed in the course of the movie. Even worse, I’m one of the interviewees. (A minor one; and at least I’m not an investor.)

I know these people in part because we agree on many if not most of the causes of the current food and health crisis, as well as on the directions we should take. There is little new in “Fed Up” for regular readers of this column, or to those who’ve read a selection of work by Marion Nestle, Michael Pollan, Gary Taubes, Rob Lustig, Michele Simon, Mark Hyman, David Ludwig, David Kessler or any other member of what we might call the professional sane eating brigade.

What matters, what’s exciting, is that “Fed Up” might reach some of the majority of Americans who’ve never heard of any of us but who adore Katie Couric, the former “Today” show co-host and one of the most recognizable women in the country.

The film has three components: a narration of bare facts and not-so-innocent questions by Couric, such as, “Is there a link between our ever expanding waistlines … and dietary guidelines?” and, “What if every can of soda came with a warning label from the surgeon general?” (I said it was propaganda; it’s really a call to action.) There is a series of interviews with talking heads, which bring out the heavy-hitting facts about the dangers of the overconsumption of sugar and other hyperprocessed food. These, in turn, are interwoven with the stories of a few obese teenagers and their struggles to lose weight.

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I was at first put off by these portraits, but was ultimately won over. The teens were given flip-cams and asked to keep video diaries, and these nonscripted video selfies, some apparently shot in private in their bedrooms, were sometimes almost unbearably touching. (For comic relief there is fantastic vintage footage, including a priceless clip of Homer Simpson shooting up a donut.)

The experts carry the ball. The journalist Gary Taubes calls the “energy balance” theory — the notion that all calories are the same, and that as long as you exercise enough, you’ll avoid gaining or even lose weight no matter what you eat — “nonsense.” One Coke, we learn, will take more than an hour to burn off. The pediatrician Rob Lustig, a leading anti-sugar campaigner, notes that “we have obese 6-month-olds. You wanna tell me that they’re supposed to diet and exercise?” David Ludwig, another M.D., notes that there is no difference between many processed foods and sugar itself, saying you can eat a bowl of cornflakes with no added sugar or a bowl of sugar with no added cornflakes and “below the neck they’re the same thing.” Lustig reminds us that anyone can develop metabolic syndrome: “You can be sick without being fat; this is not just a problem of the obese.”

And so on. Senator Tom Harkin says, “I don’t know how they (the food industry) live with themselves,” comparing them to the tobacco industry. Bill Clinton says, effectively, “We blew it,” when it came to this struggle.

The movie has some splendid moments: A mother cries at the difficulty of the choice she must make between giving her child what she wants and giving her what’s best. Her struggle is common, and she’s fighting against an almost overwhelming tide of marketing and, yes, even addiction. A school lunch worker, speaking of the fact that few kids choose the healthy option at lunch, says, “You can’t choose for them.” But they are children; we must choose for them. Not only are their parents not present, but their parents often don’t know what’s best.


That “Fed Up” is imperfect — how could a movie that was more than three years in the making, with constant tumult all around it, be otherwise? — is irrelevant. That it suggests that the response of the Obama administration to this crisis — and particularly Mrs. Obama — has been inadequate is also far from paramount. Yes, it’s fair to say, as Michael Pollan says in the movie, that “the government is subsidizing the obesity epidemic.” It’s also true that the Obama administration is the first one to try to do anything positive about this, and that it’s being fought at every turn.

Here’s what really matters: “Fed Up” is new in its bright, peppy, presumably crowd-pleasing presentation and in its target audience, many of whom, we assume, are not New York Times readers. The movie addresses what the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner David Kessler calls “one of the great public health epidemics of our time.” The greater public needs to know that.

As of this writing, the movie is in 19 markets, and doing well. If it were in hundreds of theaters, it would probably change more lives than any movie released this year, because if people see the film, they will get the message. It’s not a subtle one.



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Buck 05-15-2014 06:34 PM

Doubt it has any significant impact. We're past the point of no return.

Passepartout 05-15-2014 06:49 PM

I try to eat yogurt as well as salads twice a week. As eating your greens are suppose to be great for your health. But can't get off of either sugar or chocolate!

BigChiefFan 05-15-2014 06:56 PM

Better than aspartame.

htismaqe 05-15-2014 07:11 PM

Just what we need, another political commentary on food.

RunKC 11-05-2015 09:46 AM

How do you feel about lactose from milk/yogurt? It's a pretty debated discussion these days.

I have friends who think it's terrible for you and some that don't mind in moderation.

Also, what snacks (non aspartame or sucralose) do you eat?

Buck 11-05-2015 11:41 PM

Well since processed meat gives you cancer now take this for what you will.

Pepperoni is a great snack. Almonds and cheese are great too.

Silock 11-06-2015 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11865028)
How do you feel about lactose from milk/yogurt? It's a pretty debated discussion these days.

Debated in what way?

007 11-06-2015 05:53 AM

doublestuff oreo


yummmmmmm

DaKCMan AP 11-06-2015 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11865028)
Also, what snacks (non aspartame or sucralose) do you eat?

Apple & peanut butter
unsalted pretzels
Raw nuts (almonds, cashews, hazelnuts, etc.)
seasonal fruit (cherries, strawberries, raspberries/blackberries, watermelon)
carrots & celery
hard boiled egg

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RunKC 11-06-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 11866303)
Debated in what way?

http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

These are most of the things I've seen debated so far. The "unsweetened almond milk movement" appears to be in full force.

I think other things like Jamie Oliver's Ted talk about sugar in our milk and Woody Harrelson vehemently hating dairy for sugar reasons (as well as congestion/acne).

It's an interesting movement, and yes it's weird as **** to think we drink milk from a cow, but to hell with giving up dairy completely.

penguinz 11-06-2015 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11866397)
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

These are most of the things I've seen debated so far. The "unsweetened almond milk movement" appears to be in full force.

I think other things like Jamie Oliver's Ted talk about sugar in our milk and Woody Harrelson vehemently hating dairy for sugar reasons (as well as congestion/acne).

It's an interesting movement, and yes it's weird as **** to think we drink milk from a cow, but to hell with giving up dairy completely.

That article is funny as hell.

Mennonite 11-06-2015 08:15 AM

It's amazing to me just how many foods have added sugar. It seems like it's added to almost everything these days.

RunKC 11-06-2015 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 11866412)
It's amazing to me just how many foods have added sugar. It seems like it's added to almost everything these days.

Yeah but not all sugar is bad for you. Fruits are awesome. And I think dairy in moderation is fine too.

Just Make sure that most of the food you eat is food that is in its most natural state.

Spott 11-06-2015 08:24 AM

I gave up processed sugar on January 3rd and lost 20 pounds the first 2 months, which was about 12% of my body weight. I lost another 8 in March and my weight has stayed the same since. The hardest part was not putting sugar in my coffee and giving up sweet tea. Sweet tea and soda taste awful to me now.

Mennonite 11-06-2015 08:29 AM

I gave up on eating healthy a long time ago. Still, I'm surprised when I read that a Dr Pepper has nearly 40 grams of sugar in a 12 ounce can, or that the croutons I'm snacking on contain high fructose corn syrup. No wonder people are "addicted" to the stuff - it's added to almost everything.

RunKC 11-06-2015 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 11866420)
I gave up processed sugar on January 3rd and lost 20 pounds the first 2 months, which was about 12% of my body weight. I lost another 8 in March and my weight has stayed the same since. The hardest part was not putting sugar in my coffee and giving up sweet tea. Sweet tea and soda taste awful to me now.

WTG! You sir are a far stronger man than I.

Do you just put no sugar or sweetener in your coffee and drink it plain? What does your diet consist of now?

Spott 11-06-2015 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11866423)
WTG! You sir are a far stronger man than I.

Do you just put no sugar or sweetener in your coffee and drink it plain? What does your diet consist of now?

I either use Agave or local honey in my coffee, now. I just use regular half and half instead of the sweetened creamers. When I first quit I ate a lot of bananas, apples and other fruit to get me past the addiction that I didn't know that I had.

My diet consists of a lot of fruit and vegetables along with chicken, steak, etc. Besides switching over to water for drinks, my diet hasn't changed much. I don't eat out near as much as I used to, either.

notorious 11-06-2015 11:19 AM

Fat shaming needs to take over.


The rest will take care of itself.

penguinz 11-06-2015 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 11866441)
I either use Agave or local honey in my coffee, now. I just use regular half and half instead of the sweetened creamers. When I first quit I ate a lot of bananas, apples and other fruit to get me past the addiction that I didn't know that I had.

My diet consists of a lot of fruit and vegetables along with chicken, steak, etc. Besides switching over to water for drinks, my diet hasn't changed much. I don't eat out near as much as I used to, either.

Stick to the honey. Agave is not a good substitute.

Spott 11-06-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 11866777)
Stick to the honey. Agave is not a good substitute.

Maybe I should do more research on it. I was under the impression that it was actually healthier than honey.

TLO 11-06-2015 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 11866358)
Apple & peanut butter
unsalted pretzels
Raw nuts (almonds, cashews, hazelnuts, etc.)
seasonal fruit (cherries, strawberries, raspberries/blackberries, watermelon)
carrots & celery
hard boiled egg

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You seem homosexual, err nice.

penguinz 11-06-2015 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 11866806)
Maybe I should do more research on it. I was under the impression that it was actually healthier than honey.

Agave is as high as 85% fructose. That is higher than sugar or corn syrup. Most agave syrup/nectar you get at the store is very processed.

Much better off with the local honey.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-06-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 11866969)
Agave is as high as 85% fructose. That is higher than sugar or corn syrup. Most agave syrup/nectar you get at the store is very processed.

Much better off with the local honey.

Honey is still going to be sucrose, which is a disaccharide, half of which is fructose.

Your body needs glucose for basic metabolic functions, but fructose can be somewhat problematic because fructose bypasses the rate limiting step of glycolysis. Thus, it is broken down quicker, raises the blood sugar levels higher, which leads to more insulin release to counteract it and ultimately, more fat and glycogen storage.

Aspengc8 11-06-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11866984)
Honey is still going to be sucrose, which is a disaccharide, half of which is fructose.

Your body needs glucose for basic metabolic functions, but fructose can be somewhat problematic because fructose bypasses the rate limiting step of glycolysis. Thus, it is broken down quicker, raises the blood sugar levels higher, which leads to more insulin release to counteract it and ultimately, more fat and glycogen storage.

Pretty sure i read fructose does NOT stimulate insulin response and is processed mainly by the liver. When liver is full, you getz fat.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-06-2015 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11866696)
Fat shaming needs to take over.


The rest will take care of itself.

But but but. Big IS beautiful!

RunKC 11-06-2015 01:51 PM

I just had honey in my coffee and it was a truly awful experience.

Just lower your sugar intake to a moderate amount around roughly 15-20 grams a day.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-06-2015 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 11867041)
Pretty sure i read fructose does NOT stimulate insulin response and is processed mainly by the liver. When liver is full, you getz fat.

That was a total typo by me. You're right. It leads to inuslin resistance, not release, which is why you get more fat storage. Good catch.

Aspengc8 11-06-2015 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11867069)
That was a total typo by me. You're right. It leads to inuslin resistance, not release, which is why you get more fat storage. Good catch.

Yeah this is why HFCS is absolute sh1t. Eating fruit is fine but that processed stuff is just killing us. I read its almost impossible to over eat on fruit- you would just get so full from all the water & fiber.

penguinz 11-06-2015 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 11867106)
Yeah this is why HFCS is absolute sh1t. Eating fruit is fine but that processed stuff is just killing us. I read its almost impossible to over eat on fruit- you would just get so full from all the water & fiber.

And Agave is even higher in Fructose yet pimped as a healthy sugar alternative.

BigMeatballDave 11-06-2015 05:14 PM

I just finished Freebasing Confectioners!

penguinz 11-06-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11867384)
I just finished Freebasing Confectioners!

You are a ****ing moron. Go ahead and rot your teeth out.

Be a real man and inject.

Mr. Laz 11-06-2015 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 11867126)
And Agave is even higher in Fructose yet pimped as a healthy sugar alternative.

:hmmm:

I thought Agave was all-natural and not processed.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-06-2015 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11867394)
:hmmm:

I thought Agave was all-natural and not processed.

Fructose is not an artificial product. It's a naturally occurring hexose sugar. Fructose content alone is not indicative of processing.

BigMeatballDave 11-06-2015 06:31 PM

Why is Fructose considered to be unhealthy compared to other natural sugars?

Mr. Laz 11-06-2015 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11867459)
Why is Fructose considered to be unhealthy compared to other natural sugars?

because it's processed and partially broken down already


That means it hits your bloodstream faster and all at once, you body reacts different to that "rush" of sugar. Your body thinks you are exercising so it stores fat etc. Causes weight gain and all sorts of issues that natural sugars don't. Process sugar also has addictive traits because of the rush, you body will crave more after rush burns off. You ever feel hungry even though your stomach is stuffed? That's caused by the sugar craving of processed sugar.

Fruit juice from concentrate is also processed, so it's not good for you either.

avoid 'from concentrate' and other processed sugars

RobBlake 11-06-2015 07:15 PM

eat what you want with balance. Obviously choosing healthy/exercising as number one options and live

Mr. Laz 11-06-2015 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 11867502)
eat what you want with balance. Obviously choosing healthy/exercising as number one options and live

No offense but i hear this bullshit every time the subject is broached.

Processed sugar triggers cravings that makes it more difficult to eat in moderation. So that old school, tough guy bullshit about 'just moderation' doesn't work for a lot of people.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-06-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11867500)
because it's processed and partially broken down already


That means it hits your bloodstream faster and all at once, you body reacts different to that "rush" of sugar. Your body thinks you are exercising so it stores fat etc. Causes weight gain and all sorts of issues that natural sugars don't. Process sugar also has addictive traits because of the rush, you body will crave more after rush burns off. You ever feel hungry even though your stomach is stuffed? That's caused by the sugar craving of processed sugar.

Fruit juice from concentrate is also processed, so it's not good for you either.

avoid 'from concentrate' and other processed sugars

Your conclusions are generally accurate, but some of the points in here are a little off.

It's not related to processing. Fructose is not processed. Fructose is a naturally-occurring sugar. HFCS is an example of a processed sugar.

Fructose is not already broken down. It's chemical structure is merely different than glucose. Consequently, it is metabolized differently.

Both sugars have the formula C6H12O6. The difference is that fructose is a ketose sugar that exists as part of a five membered ring and glucose is an aldose sugar that exists as part of a six membered ring. This means that the two molecules interact with enzymes differently.

We all have various regulatory systems in our bodies that ensure we function optimally. Glycolysis, like all metabolic processes, has rate limiting steps. So even if we consume a ton of glucose, our body can only process it so quickly. Fructose is metabolized by a slightly different pathway without as many brakes on the system, comparatively.

This is a little reductive, I apologize, but without getting too "inside baseball" this is why.

penguinz 11-06-2015 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11867394)
:hmmm:

I thought Agave was all-natural and not processed.

It has to be heated a processed to become the goo you buy at the store.

Spott 11-06-2015 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11867059)
I just had honey in my coffee and it was a truly awful experience.

Just lower your sugar intake to a moderate amount around roughly 15-20 grams a day.

I'm admittedly a coffee snob, so I tend to brew a lot of Starbucks at home as well as using honey that I either get at Whole Foods or another local retailer. If you try regular coffee (Maxwell House, Folgers, etc.) with packets of honey it doesn't taste too well. Agave does seem to taste better with coffee, imo.

RunKC 11-06-2015 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 11867730)
I'm admittedly a coffee snob, so I tend to brew a lot of Starbucks at home as well as using honey that I either get at Whole Foods or another local retailer. If you try regular coffee (Maxwell House, Folgers, etc.) with packets of honey it doesn't taste too well. Agave does seem to taste better with coffee, imo.

I actually get my coffee from whole foods bc I love their Italian Roast.

I have narrowed it down to only having sugar with my coffee as my only intake of sugar. I can't go cold turkey and I'm perfectly fine eating fruit during the day to keep myself from an added sugar binge.

I can't give up sugar. But I think I can significantly reduce my amount and be fine. Right now I'm at around 12 grams (3 teaspoon's) of sugar a day, which is 1/3 the daily recommended amount.

I think that's perfectly fine.

cdcox 11-06-2015 10:36 PM

I made rice crispy treats tonight. I'm proud to report that I made them with no sugar added.

BigMeatballDave 11-07-2015 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 11867817)
I made rice crispy treats tonight. I'm proud to report that I made them with no sugar added.

Bet they tasted like ass. :)

penguinz 11-07-2015 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 11867730)
I'm admittedly a coffee snob, so I tend to brew a lot of Starbucks at home as well as using honey that I either get at Whole Foods or another local retailer. If you try regular coffee (Maxwell House, Folgers, etc.) with packets of honey it doesn't taste too well. Agave does seem to taste better with coffee, imo.

If you are a coffee snob you would not be brewing Starbucks. Their beans are no where near snobbery.


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