****Official 2011 ChiefsPlanet Mock Draft Thread****
 

Round 1
1. PANTHERS (Pestilence) AJ Green, WR, Georgia
2. BRONCOS (lono) DaQuan Bowers, DE, Clemson
3. BILLS (DeezNutz) Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
4. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
5. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
6. BROWNS (BossChief) Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
7. 49ERS (doomy3) Marcell Dareus, DL, Alabama
8. TITANS (billay) Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
9. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
10. REDSKINS (Marco Polo) Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
11. TEXANS ( Direckshun) Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
12. VIKINGS(SNR) Jake Locker, QB, Washington
13. LIONS( Sfeihc) Tyron Smith, OT, USC
14. RAMS (Rams Fan) Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
15. DOLPHINS (DaKCManAP) Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
16. JAGUARS (lono) Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal
17. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Aldon Smith, OLB/DE, Missouri
18. CHARGERS (OnTheWarpath58) Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
19. GIANTS (Marco Polo) Nate Solder, LT, Colorado
20. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) Justin Houston, DE, Georgia
21. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA
22. COLTS (Rams Fan) Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
23. EAGLES (doomy3) Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
24. SAINTS (Archie Bunker) Martez Wilson, LB, Illinois
25. SEAHAWKS (billay) Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
26. RAVENS (Direckshun) JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin
27. FALCONS (BossChief) Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
28. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
29. BEARS (DeezNutz) Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
30. JETS (OnTheWarpath58) Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
31. STEELERS (Sfheic) Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
32. PACKERS (SNR) Mike Pouncey, OG/OC, Florida

Round 2
1. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois
2. BILLS (DeezNutz) Muhammad Wilkerson, DT/DE, Temple
3. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
4. BRONCOS (Lono) Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
5. BROWNS (Boss Chief) Christian Ballard, DL, Iowa
6. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
7. TITANS (billay) Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
8. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) Rahim Moore, S, UCLA
9. REDSKINS (Marco Polo) Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
10. TEXANS (Direckshun) Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
11. VIKINGS (SNR) Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pittsburgh
12. LIONS (Sfeihc) Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
13. 49ERS (doomy3) Sam Acho, OLB, Texas
14. BRONCOS (Lono) Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
15. RAMS (Rams Fan) Bruce Carter, LB, North Carolina
16. RAIDERS (DaKCManAP) Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
17. JAGUARS (Lono) DeAndre Mcdaniel, FS, Clemson
18. CHARGERS (OnTheWarpath58) Allen Bailey, DE, Miami
19. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
20. GIANTS (Marco Polo) Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech
21. COLTS (Rams Fan) Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
22. EAGLES (doomy3) Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
23. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
24. SAINTS (Archie Bunker) Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
25. SEAHAWKS (billay) Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
26. RAVENS (Direckshun) Joseph Barksdale, OT, LSU
27. FALCONS (BossChief) Titus Young, WR, Boise State
28. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Rodney Hudson, G, Florida State
29. CHARGERS (OnTheWarpath58) Curtis Brown, Cb, Texas
30. BEARS (DeezNutz) Marcus Cannon, OT, TCU
31. STEELERS (Sfheic) Ben Ijalana, OL, Villinova
32. PACKERS (SNR) DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

Round 3
1. PANTHERS (Pestilence) Danny Watkins, G, Baylor
2. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
3. BRONCOS (Lono) Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy
4. BILLS (DeezNutz) Quan Sturdivant, LB, North Carolina
5. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Clint Boling, G, Georgia
6. BROWNS (BossChief) Sione Fua, DT, Stanford
7. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) Ahmad Black, S, Florida
8. SAINTS (Archie Bunker) Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky
9. TEXANS ( Direckshun) Brandon Burton, CB, Utah
10. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College
11. LIONS( Sfeihc) Mason Foster, OLB, Washington
12. 49ERS (doomy3) Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
13. TITANS (billay) Dontay Moch, LB, Nevada
14. RAMS (Rams Fan) Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian
15. DOLPHINS (DaKCManAP) Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
16. JAGUARS (Lono) Kelvin Sheppard, LB, LSU
17. RAIDERS (DaKCManAP) Johnny Patrick, CB, Louisville
18. CHARGERS (OnTheWarpath58) Greg Little, WR, North Carolina
19. GIANTS (Marco Polo) Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana
20. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) DeMarcus Love, G, Arkansas
21. EAGLES (doomy3) Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma
22. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Jerrell Powe, NT, Mississippi
23. COLTS (Rams Fan) John Moffitt, G, Wisconsin
24. SAINTS (Archie Bunker) Luke Stocker, TE, Tennessee
25. CHARGERS (OnTheWarpath58) Orlando Franklin, OT, Miami
26. RAVENS (Direckshun) Niles Paul, WR, Nebraska
27. FALCONS (BossChief) Shane Vereen, RB, Cal
28. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Marcus Gilbert, T, Florida
29. BEARS (DeezNutz) Jarvos Jenkins, DT, Clemson
30. JETS (OnTheWarpath58) Deunta Williams, S, North Carolina
31. STEELERS (Sfheic) Will Rackley, G, Lehigh
32. PACKERS (SNR) Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State

Round 4
1. PANTHERS (Pestilence) Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
2. SEAHAWKS (billay) Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware
3. BILLS (DeezNutz) James Carpenter, OT, Alabama
4. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh
5. BROWNS (BossChief) Derrick Locke, RB, Kentucky
6. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Curtis Marsh, CB, Utah State
7. EAGLES (doomy3) Rashad Carmicheal, CB, Virginia Tech
8. TEXANS (Direckshun) Kendrick Ellis, NT, Hampton
9. VIKINGS(SNR) Lance Kendricks, TE, Wisconsin
10. LIONS( Sfeihc) K.J. Wright, LB, Mississippi State
11. 49ERS (doomy3) Ricky Stanzi, QB, Iowa
12. TITANS (billay) Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State
13. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) Derek Newton, OT, Arkansas State
14. DOLPHINS (DaKCManAP) Robert Sands, S, West Virginia
15. RAMS (Rams Fan) Andrew Jackson, G, Fresno State
16. RAIDERS (DaKCManAP) Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
17. JAGUARS (Lono) Terrence Tolliver, WR, LSU
18. 49ERS (doomy3) Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma State
19. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) Colin McCarthy, LB, Miami
20. GIANTS (Marco Polo) Jake Kirkpatrick, C, TCU
21. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
22. COLTS (Rams Fan) Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
23. EAGLES (doomy3) Jason Pinkston, G, Pittsburgh
24. JAGUARS (Lono) Stephen Schilling, G, Michigan
25. BILLS (DeezNutz) D.J. Williams, TE, Arkansas
26. RAVENS (Direckshun) Shareece Wright, CB, USC
27. FALCONS (BossChief) Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
28. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina
29. JETS (OnTheWarpath58) Chris Carter, OLB, Fresno State
30. BEARS (DeezNutz) Denarius Moore, WR, Tennessee
31. STEELERS (Sfheic) Nate Irving, ILB, North Carolina State
32. PACKERS (SNR) James Brewer, OT, Indiana

Round 5
1. PANTHERS (Pestilence) Ian Williams, DT, Notre Dame
2. BILLS (DeezNutz) Lawrence Wilson, OLB, Connecticut
3. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Greg Salas, WR, Hawaii
4. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Vincent Brown, WR, San Diego State
5. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Chris Culliver, S, South Carolina
6. BROWNS (BossChief) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
7. TEXANS (Direckshun) Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
8. VIKINGS(SNR) Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
9. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Stevan Ridley, RB, LSU
10. 49ERS (doomy3) Marcus Gilchrist, S, Clemson
11. TITANS (billay) Mario Harvey, LB, Marshall
12. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) Cedric Thornton, DE, Southern Arkansas
13. REDSKINS (Marco Polo) Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama
14. RAMS (Rams Fan) Mario Fannin, RB, Auburn
15. DOLPHINS (DaKCManAP) Lee Ziemba, OG/OT, Auburn
16. JAGUARS (Lono) Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
17. RAIDERS (DaKCManAP) Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
18. EAGLES (doomy3) Ricky Elmore, DE, Arizona
19. VIKINGS(SNR) Keith Williams, OG, Nebraska
20. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) Jacquizz Rodgers, RB, Oregon State
21. LIONS (Sfheic) Cortez Allen, CB, The Citadel
22. COLTS (Rams Fan) Jamie Harper, RB, Clemson
23. EAGLES (doomy3) Jordan Todman, RB, Connecticut
24. REDSKINS (Marco Polo) Jah Reid, OT, Central Florida
25. SEAHAWKS (billay) Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia
26. SEAHAWKS (billay) Eric Haag, S, Nebraska
27. FALCONS (BossChief) Buster Skrine, CB, Chattanooga
28. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
30. BEARS (DeezNutz) Alex Green, RB, Hawaii
29. JETS (OnTheWarpath58) Pierre Allen, DE, Nebraska
31. STEELERS (Sfheic) Alex Henery, K, Nebraska
32. PACKERS (SNR) Chris Conte, FS, California

Round 6
1. PANTHERS (Pestilence) Rob Housler, TE, Florida Atlantic
2. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Kristofer O'Dowd, C, USC
3. BROWNS (BossChief) Jalil Brown, CB, Colorado
4. BILLS (DeezNutz) Ross Homan, OLB, Ohio State
5. BROWNS (BossChief) Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
6. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Mike Mohammed, ILB, California
7. VIKINGS (SNR) Tory Gurley, WR, South Carolina,
8. SEAHAWKS (billay) Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio State
9. 49ERS (doomy3) Stanley Havili, FB, USC
10. TITANS (billay) Carl Johnson, G, Florida
11. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) David Arkin, G, Missouri State
12. REDSKINS (Marco Polo) Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Miss
13. TEXANS ( Direckshun) Virgil Green, TE, Nevada
14. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) DeAndre Brown, WR, Southern Miss
15. RAMS (Rams Fan) Preston Dial, TE, Alabama
16. RAIDERS (DaKCManAP) Ugo Chinasa, DE, Oklahoma State
17. JAGUARS (Lono) Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford
18. CHARGERS (OnTheWarpath58) Jeremy Beal, DE/OLB, Oklahoma
19. CARDINALS (Archie Bunker) Willie Smith, OT, East Carolina
20. GIANTS (Marco Polo) Darius Morris, OT/G, Temple
21. COLTS (Rams Fan) D'Aundre Reed, DE, Arizona
22. EAGLES (doomy3) Eric Gordon, OLB, Michigan State
23. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) Derek Hall, OT, Stanford
24. PATRIOTS (Hamas Jenkins) Jeff Maehl, WR, Oregon
25. 49ERS (doomy3) Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
26. RAVENS (Direckshun) Dwayne Harris, WR, East Carolina
27. FALCONS (BossChief) Shiloh Keo, SS/PR, Idaho
28. BRONCOS (Lono) Justin Boren, G, Ohio State
29. JETS (Hamas Jenkins) Ronald Johnson, WR, USC
30. BEARS (DeezNutz) Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union
31. STEELERS (Sfheic) Taiwan Jones, RB, Eastern Washington.
32. PACKERS (SNR) Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virginia Tech

Round 7
1. PACKERS (SNR) Terrell McClain, DT/DE, South Florida
2. BILLS (DeezNutz) Da'Norris Searcy, SS, North Carolina
3. BENGALS (Hamas Jenkins) Jaiqwuan Jarrett, SS, Temple
4. JETS (Hamas Jenkins) Scott Lutrus, ILB, Connecticut
5. SEAHAWKS (billay) Dejon Gomes, S, Nebraska
6. 49ERS (doomy3) Chris Neild, NT, West Virginia
7. 49ERS (doomy3) Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
8. TITANS (billay) Armon Binns, WR, Cincinnati
9. REDSKINS (Marco Polo) Karl Klug, DE, Iowa
10. TEXANS (Direckshun) Ryan Donahue, P, Iowa
11. VIKINGS (SNR) Martin Parker, DT, Richmond
12. RAMS (Rams Fan) Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
13. DOLPHINS ( DaKCManAP) Tim Barnes, C, Missouri
14. DOLPHINS ( DaKCManAP) DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami
15. RAIDERS (DaKCManAP) Jonas Mouton, OLB, Michigan
16. COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry) Sealver Siliga, DE/DT, Utah
17. GIANTS (Marco Polo) Chas Henry, P, Florida
18. BUCCANEERS (Pestilence) Owen Marecic, FB/ILB, Stanford
19. RAVENS (Direckshun) Kevin Rutland, CB, Missouri
20. CHIEFS (ChiefsCountry) Rob McGill, OT, Louisiana Tech
21. COLTS (Rams Fan) Eugene Clifford, FS, Tennessee State
22. SAINTS (Archie Bunker) Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
23. EAGLES (doomy3) Ryan Jones, CB, Northwest Missouri
24. RAVENS (Direckshun) John Bender, G, Nevada
25. FALCONS (BossChief ) Jeremy Kerley, WR/PR, TCU
26. FALCONS (BossChief) Henry Hynoski, FB, Pittsburgh
27. LIONS (Sfheic) Chris Rucker, CB, Michigan State
28. STEELERS (Sfheic) Frank Kearse, NT, Alabama A&M
29. PACKERS (SNR) Ryan Whalen, WR, Stanford

Awesome! Well done, CC. Does this mean Mecca is getting lucky tonight, tomorrow and the next day? LMAO

Dee, let me tell you something. I haven't even begun to peak. And when I do peak, you'll know. Because I'm going to peak so hard, that everybody in Philadelphia will feel it.

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I'm going to steal the shit out of every pick I get.

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My soundtrack to crushing you bitches.

Added the second round.

OTW58 has ****ing tiger blood and Adonis DNA.

Winning.

(the draft)

Thanks.

Needed a new avatar.

Less than 2 hours and counting...

I got a lunch meeting with a big client at noon so Pes when noon hits you are on the clock. Good luck everybody!

Alright, times up, let's do this:

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Jeeeeeeeeeeeenkiiiiiinnnnnnnnnss

The Carolina Panthers just want everyone to know that they got ****ed this year. This pick should have been simple. Andrew Luck should be up at the podium holding up a Panthers jersey right now. Instead, he's back at Stanford working on his degree. :facepalm: And then to make matters even worse.....this draft class really isn't that great at the top. I've got a ton of options to choose from but there really isn't one guy that stands out as being worthy of the #1 overall pick. **** it...

With the 1st overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select:

A.J. Green, WR, University of Georgia

There were a couple of guys that I could've taken with this pick. Nick Fairley and Marcell Dareus could have been the pick because the Panthers have a need for a DT along their line. Bowers could have been the pick to play opposite of Charles Johnson. Hell....I guess I could have taken Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert with this pick because the Panthers really don't have much at QB. A.J. Green does two things for me.

1. Green gives the Panthers a true #1 WR. Steve Smith is old and isn't playing like the Steve Smith of old. A.J. Green allows Smith to get single coverage again.....or it allows the Panthers to trade him (once the new CBA is signed).

2. Green gives the Panthers the ability to see what they have in Clausen. If Clausen turns out to not be the QB they're looking for....then it gives the Panthers a great target for the QB they draft next year. It's not like they won't have a shot at Luck in 2012.

The Denver Broncos (Mecca) are on the clock. PM Sent

Holy ****.

Ehhh....the Panthers have so many holes. Plus they were #32 in offense.

Not saying it was a bad pick - matter of fact, I like your rationale behind it.

Nothing wrong with that pick considering there's no standout #1 this year.

Green's probably the most talented player in the draft.

Thats it....end the draft. I just won.

I'm actually hoping like hell that Green doesn't end up in Denver.

THE DRAFT IS RUINED! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111

That Thomas injury could really **** us.

Green is the consensus top talent, or was before the Combne. I give Pest credit for sticking to his guns and giving his 2nd year QB a chance. I was hoping he'd fall to 4, but that was a pipe dream.

Nicely done, Pest. It's the best pick they or you could make at this time.

I know it's early, but does anybody know if Mecca has been notified of the start of the draft?

I sent him a PM. I don't know how often he checks the board.

Given his inconsistent nature, if he missed this first pick, we'll toss him and give his picks to someone else.

This happened last year as well. He missed his pick for the Redskins and TBG made the pick for him.

Maybe he was up late watching the Wings get jobbed?

A who posts 40x per day missing a pick is understandable. A guy who has posted 40 times in six months missing a pick is a bigger cause for concern given he'll have like 15 plus picks. Still, the draft has been going on for two hours, so it's no biggie.

probably patterson (edit: peterson)....but green is a great wr...not sure he's at a Calvin Johnson level due to build, but without a clear #1 QB choice, why not...



very glad the mock draft is back....

Really? You're that high on Patterson? Don't get me wrong, great prospect, but I don't see him in the mold of other elite CBs for some reason. Perhaps because I just haven't seen enough of him.

Meccas back?

*edit*..his last name is Peterson, my bad...patterson was a kentucky bball player

i guess i was thinking about raw talent...he's pretty much a freak of nature....and i think the safest pick in the top 10, with Green a close second


he's just one of those guys you watch play and say 'wow....wow'...and he makes big plays too, not just flashy

For some reason I could not figure out who the hell TTC was talking about. I could not think of a Patterson in this draft.

But yes, Patrick Peterson is an absolute stud. When I originally had the Panthers in this mock before changing, I was trying to decide between Green, Newton, Bowers and Peterson. I am usually not a fan of picking a CB that high, but Peterson is elite.

LSU guys answer to anything. I knew exactly whom you were referring to, though I perpetuated the mistake.

not sure the position is worth such a high pick...but everyone else has risks either due to position - QB - or background - one year wonders, suspensions,,,


i think he is near Eric Berry level in terms of being the real deal....

If he doesn't post, who would be in?

If it comes down to it and we have to give Mecca's teams to someone else.....I think we should just split them up between two people who are already in the draft. That would be a lot easier than trying to find another person.

I nominate me to take one of his teams. Ya know being a fellow Red Wing fan and all.:)

I agree preferably someone who either picks before or after him most rounds too. It'd help speed things up.

I'll take one of the teams. You can give me the Broncos.....considering I draft close to them anyways.

The Jags don't conflict with either of my two teams.

AJ Green, nice pic Pes. He is the best player in the draft.

We should all CONFIRM we'll be ready to pick on the first day, if you're in the top 5, probably top 10 of the draft.

Welp, that first pick sucked ass.

Sorry, I love ya Pest, but you really lost the draft on that one. You picked a WR without elite speed #1 overall. Not only is that a poor investment, it's a historically bad investment. I dare you to find that happening one other time in NFL history.

I would have gone Marcell Dareus or Cam Newton or picked perhaps the best CB prospect in NFL history, which is something that actually warrants the record books. Not AJ Green.

I submit that Pest be robbed of all his picks to me for the remainder of the Mock Draft to maintain its integrity.

The best player in the draft is Patrick Peterson, and it's not even close.

LOLwut? Peterson the best player in the draft? Green has no speed? Newton as the first pick? Please tell me you are kidding.

Of all the players in this draft, name one guy who would be a Top 3 prospect in the history of his position.

Go ahead I'll wait.


























































































































Your list should be one player long. Patrick Peterson.

What, exactly does AJ Green project as?

A Greg Jennings?

Fan ****ing tastic. If I'm dropping the most money in NFL history on a receiver prospect, he better project to be the next Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson, not the next Greg Jennings.

Did you see Julio Jones come up with 10 grabs and a TD against him?

Did you watch the Panthers at all last year?

And Vernon Gholston beat Jake Long like a drum.

I watched when Clausen played, yes.

I don't care about their needs. With the #1 pick, you get the best prospect for your team. It'd be Dareus or Cam Newton if I was picking.

Okay okay, I admit it.

I paid off Pestilence to make the AJ Green pick so more teams would be tempted to take Bowers/Fairley/Dareus later in the first round so the Vikings would have a good shot at a top QB- either Newton or Gabbert.

Am I sorry? A little. Would I do it again? In a heartbeat

It's pretty evident Direckshun didn't watch much college football. AJ Green was a difference maker with a shitty QB. Peterson will be a good CB but he's not top 3 he's barely ahead of Amukamara as the best corner in the draft.

Some mocks have Peterson going to the Broncos from the NFLN. And I'd rather have Peterson over Amukamara.

They should take Peterson number one overall.

I move that Mecca gets kicked out of the Four Horsemen. True Fans are on the rise, and it's likely due to the fact that he's been missing. And now he might miss his pick.

See, you were doing good until you actually started making an argument:

Nonsequitor.

He's at LEAST a Top 6 All Time CB prospect.

Which is something you cannot say for any other prospect in this draft at their position.

Nonsequitor.

Amukamara, by the way, kicks ass. He's a really good corner.

But Peterson is far and away the better prospect.

Going forward, I'd stick to the personal attacks more than I would substantive argument, billay.

Denver isn't going to draft Peterson. I would draft Peterson over Amukamara but it's pretty close and it's not far fetched to say Amukamra could even end up being better than Peterson considering he has only played the position for a few years. The debate is silly anyway you're going to draft a CB #1 make him one of the highest paid players in the league with no pass rush? They already drafted Clausen, signed Shockey, and have a great running game. Maybe they keep Smith around 1 more year and add Green that's building a great offense.

Uhh dude Pot + Kettle = Black. Peterson went from being a Top 3 all time prospect to a top 6 in a matter of hours huh?

So you're trying to say the cornerback position has more value than an offensive playmaker? Really?

Agreed.

They should, though.

That's not a knock on Peterson. Amukamara is a hell of a player.

No, I wouldn't. But I'd do that sooner than I would draft a receiver #1 who doesn't have elite size or speed.

So.

So.

They had one of the worst run games last year. Jon Stewart was in Fox's doghouse all year and Williams can't stay healthy.

At the expense of adding a much better prospect to bolster their pathetic defense.

No, he's definitely top three.

Depends on the systems you run. If you run a bump-and-run man coverage scheme, but run more of an offense akin to Vermiel's Chiefs, I'd say a lockdown corner would be more prominent than a receiver.

But it's apples and oranges anyway.

You are picking someone who has the best shot at helping you out the most. Peterson, an elite prospect, has that in spades. You cannot carry the same guarantee with Green, because he lacks elite speed and size.

But I'd still pick Dareus over both of them if I'm Carolina.

You keep saying green doesn't have size or speed but neither is true you are watching too much combine which is useless. The way the rules are setup CB's are at a disadvantage a playing making WR > Cornerback. Period.

I'll ask this and be done with it.

You're building a team from scratch.

If given the choice between Greg Jennings and Darrelle Revis, who would you pick.

BTW Green played LSU twice. One game he had 3 catches for 89 yards and a touchdown the next year he had 5 catches 99 yards and a touchdown. It'd be interesting to see who was covering him I'd be willing to take a guess.

This is a loaded question. Peterson isn't Revis and Green isn't Jennings.

Just asking.

You said you'd take a playmaker WR over a cornerback every time.

Got the answer I wanted, though.

Have at.

Pest can I borrow you for the other mock? Hootie bitched out and you're first on my list.

Yep.....PM me with a reminder of the teams.

So if Mecca doesn't show, here is my idea for replacing his picks. Since his teams rotate in draft spot - whoever picks in front of him would just pick twice in a row. I think it would be easier than trying to decide who gets the other teams. What do you guys think?

Wow Green with the first pick eh?

In that case with I'll go with.....Clemson DE DaQuan Bowers

With the resigning of Bailey and Robert Quinn not playing for a year I think this is the best pick for this team..

Would have gone QB but given Fox's past track record and him being a defensive guy I figuure he goes Bowers and thinks he can win with a game manager like Orton.

I'll chime in on the Peterson discussion. I've posted this before in another thread.

Peterson is a very good CB. Great size, athleticism, and a physical player. However, he's overrated IMO. He's not the caliber of a Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, or Darrelle Revis but is better coming out of college than Terrance Newman, Quentin Jammer, and Malcom Jenkins.

I'd rather have Joe Haden who I think is a better cover corner than Peterson, just shorter (and slower in 40 time). Haden had an outstanding rookie season for the Browns.

Fitzpatrick is not the long-term answer in Buffalo. Many mocks are trending toward Newton coming off the board here, and there's also a lot of speculation that Von Miller could be the pick. Neither should be the selection.

The Bills went to a 3-4 last season, and unlike a team we know, they selected a NT (Troup), so this isn't as pressing a need as some suggest. QB is, however, and thus they select the best prospect at this position in the draft.

Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri.

Can the Bengals trade their 4th pick for a real head coach?

The problem in Cincinatti isn't the head coach.

Much like the Redskins, the Bengals are ****ed because of ownership.

Marvin Lewis has tried to get Mike Brown to stay away from players in the draft with questionable character, to no avail.

He signed a contract extension a couple of months ago, and says that he was given some concessions in order to get him to re-sign, and I would assume that includes a different philosophy in the draft.

Personally, I think Jimmy Smith is better in coverage than Peterson or Amakumura. He is a really good bump and run guy, but his tackling isn't as good.

Amakamura doesn't play as fast as his timed speed. You can watch Blackmon beat him to a pulp on highlight clips. He gets behind him many times.

Dude....not even close in comparisons.

And I'm not taking Peterson because the need and value don't match up for the Panthers.

I know this seems crazy because the Bengals have a pretty big hole at 3 technique, their QB wants out, they are going to need a #1 WR and they just gave Jonathan Joseph a 1st and 3rd tender, but this guy is just too damned good to pass up.

I think Fairley will be good, but he worries me
Dareus doesn't really stand out
I don't know what to think of Newton
Jones wasn't a top 10 pick before the Combine
The Bengals don't need undersized edge rushers
There aren't any Eric Berry's available at SS this year (which is a damned vortex in this draft)

This kid is just the best player, period. He's a very, very rare talent.

The Cincinnati Bengals select Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU

Peterson gives them three quality CBs. If they are facing a base package, I think he's athletically gifted enough that they could use him similar to the way that the Packers use Woodson, but more than anything, I want him taking away half the field, and I want Hall and Joseph there to feast on the QBs need to put it elsewhere.

Well Deez pretty much made this pick for me by taking the only QB I would touch this high. I'm just not sold on Newton's accuracy and brains to take him this high and hand him the keys to my franchise. I might regret it in a few years but for some reason I doubt it.

With QBs off the board, Bradford in St. Louis and an offensive wiz like Harbaugh in SF, this pick makes itself. It's time to beef up the D and get someone to terrorize QBs out of our 3-4. I think this guy can be a cornerstone for the Cards.

The Arizona Cardinals select Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M