AVATAR 2
 

Filming just started today (after months of pre production). James Cameron is set to make 4 sequels. Are you looking forward to the sequel(s)? I can't decide if he's either crazy or brilliant lol. At this point though, I think it would be foolish to bet against Cameron. People thought he was crazy making a 200 million dollar budget about a sinking ship and they thought Avatar would flop too (both are the highest grossest films of all time)

Avatar 2 will be in theaters December 18th, 2020.

I loved Avatar. I thought the 3rd act was worth the price of admission alone. Saw it twice in IMAX 3D (I very rarely would do something like that but I liked it so much the 1st time I had to see it again) So count me in on looking forward to the sequels.

Dances with Blue Aliens Part 2? Yeah, I'll pass.

I think I'm one of like three people in the world that wasn't blown away by Avatar, and movies like that are right in my wheelhouse. Probably won't see any of the sequels, just doesn't feel appealing to me.

The first 20 minutes were amazing - the closest thing to the wonder I felt when the first time I saw Star Wars in the theater as a child. But after that, I realized that I'd already seen Avatar, since the plot was completely unoriginal and utterly predictable. I still can't believe Cameron invested all that effort on such brilliant visuals but apparently couldn't spare anything for a decent story writer. Sort of reminded me a Vermeil's Chief teams - great offense, no defense. He gave us half a team. Cameron gave us half a movie.

I saw it the same way. Maybe it's our age. Maybe people who saw it younger or who never saw a movie like Dances with Wolves might have liked it better.

The first was highly overrated.

I've still never seen the entire first one. And don't plan too.

I liked the first one. I'll watch the second, though I'm really not sure where they'll take it.

I liked it ok, wasn't the best movie ever but it was good.

I enjoyed Avatar quite a bit. Saw it in the theater in 3D. Not being a fan of Kevin Costner, I never saw Dance with Wolves.

I'm sick of sequels. It's like Hollywood lacks material.
Also remakes that happen too soon, re-running TV programs into a movie etc.

I liked the first one quite a bit. Yeah, it's Pocohontas or Dances or Wolves all over again, but the reason why that story gets retold 100 times is because it's not actually a terrible story. The reason I liked Avatar is because the special effects were SO STUNNING that I was more than glad to get lost and immersed in that world he created.

(FTR, I thought Dances was Wolves was actually stunningly boring.)

Glad to watch the sequels. I have no idea if Cameron can even come close to matching what he did with the first one, but he's the Tom Brady of the movie-making world. It's just not real bright to bet against him at this point.

Yeah, I always love the whole evil rich white people versus the poor noble downtrodden natives bit, brought to you, of course, by evil rich white people.

I think it's an incredibly risky bet by the studio but as the OP stated it's hard to bet against Cameron. One of the reasons Avatar did so well was because it was the killer app to showcase the new wave of 3D movies so not sure how much people are really dying to see a sequel (much less 4!) but will be great fun to see what happens if the first follow-up struggles.

I have many friends who worked on the original and the stories they tell about Cameron. Dude sounds like a mad genius...

Great movie. I even hate Star Wars. Yet loved Avatar.

Electric Boogaloo.

I love Cameron, but would prefer him to work on other projects. Hes not getting any younger and this is going to take up so much of his time.


I wouldnt bet against him though, im sure these films will be big hits.

But its weird, i feel like no one was asking for sequels were they?

Is Disney throwing him a bunch of money because they feel like they have to justify their investment in 'Avatar World' at Animal Kingdom??

Perfect comparison. Nailed it.

And I realized I had seen it as well while I was watching it. Avatar was ****ing Fern Gully set in space.

Dude, he came up with the concept and has a $1 billion dollar budget for these films. The writer's room he's put together to realize this concept is amazing.

Also, he's already announced a new Terminator trilogy starring Linda Hamilton and Arnold.

It's highest grossing movie of all time. Cameron knew that he was going to do at least two sequels, now it's four.

From my understanding, Disney will distribute the movies but Cameron is self-financing, just like George Lucas did with Star Wars.

I get that but it was still really cool and the visuals were amazing.

The sequels will have underwater sequences, which should be a treat for the eyes.

What I didn't realize, and this was completely and totally unnecessary to the film, is that there is an exorbitant amount of swearing and it doesn't further the film at all.

I didn't realize it until I tried to show my oldest the film and thought "Whoa, I don't remember this at all".

Hopefully, they tone that down in the sequels.

I saw it in 3D at a regular theater and was so blown away by the special effects that I saw it in 3D at IMAX also. For that point in time, the visual were pretty amazing.

Yea, the plot was meh. The funny thing is that he had to fight to get this plot. From my vague recollections of an interview he did on Charley Rose: the studio was afraid it was too pro-environment/anti-colonists and they wanted to change it to make the military the good guys and turn it into a patriotic, rah-rah film.

If he really manages to push the envelope again on movie technology, I could be enticed to see it. But I doubt it happens. Sequels usually have worse plots and the original already set a really low bar.

Wish they would have made a True Lies 2.

It's currently ramping up as a TV series, produced by Cameron

It was less of a movie for me and more of a ride. It was ****ing incredible. I don't think the story was supposed to be the appeal. Although, I, personally, didn't mind its triteness.

I saw Avatar TWICE in IMAX 3D (I never do that until Avatar came around. What Cameron did was remarkable. made me feel like I was really there.)

also as far as sequels go, I agree that they are usually just cash grab crap BUT with James Cameron directing the sequels, I am fully confident he'll deliver the goods. He is the master at making sequels (Terminator 2 was fantastic . Ditto on Aliens as well) .

Yeah, my first thought in reading this thread title was "Why?"

Of course, the amount of money it will make is the "why", even if it's also not a good movie. But the first one was so thin it almost wasn't even a movie.

I wonder if even the viewers who want to see films in 3D are accustomed to 3D now. Would Avatar today be even a blip?

Sure, I'm sure they will find a way to add some additional cool visuals, but the first one was probably the most disappointing film I can remember seeing since The Phantom Menace. I can't imagine going to a theater for a sequel.

Right. And is that ride really going to be worth anything with 4 sequels with a story that will most likely get even more lame?

I thought Fox was financing and distributing again?

Don't know why he would self-finance given his deal on the last one.

Oh, you're right, Fox. I was thrown off by the Disney thing.

Last I heard, Fox was pitching in around $300 million with Cameron to finance the rest. I don't know if that's still the case since he's now doing 4 sequels instead of 2.

I still don't know how they're going to get around the Stephen Lang thing, since you know, he was killed in the original but is supposedly still the baddie in the sequels.

To each their own, man.

Personally, I hope to see all of them in IMAX 3D.

What has James Cameron done in his career that could even be remotely considered "lame"?

He didn't rush these sequels. They've been in development for the better part of eight years.

Aliens and T2, both of which were sequels, are on par with the original (if not better).

I don't get the skepticism.

His lamest movie was Avatar. That explains my skepticism.

LMAO

This just keeps getting better. Kate Winslet joins the cast.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...iverse-1045509

Me neither. Not sure how they advance the story and also improve on the first film

Piranha 2 says hi!

Bullshit...

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:clap:ROFL:hmmm:

Well, it did make the first one at IMAX really mind blowing.

Um, according to my friend...

I had the pleasure of running "Avatar" in IMAX 3D. In that format, with what was then cutting-edge computer graphics, it was amazing. It felt like you were there. The colors, the 3D, the whole world they created. The story? "Dances With Wolves" meets "Ferngully", it was a perfectly acceptable story for a leftist tree-hugger like myself.

But it was a one-shot. It's amazing success is not the kind of thing you can recreate. The technology is no longer fascinating. The story cannot be retold. Even the most ardent lovers of the first film really don't give a shit about the characters. Not to mention the first film is already EIGHT ****ING YEARS OLD. And if December 2020 is accurate it'll be ELEVEN years in between films. It's going to bomb, and bomb tremendously.

LMAO

Both those sequels came out 7 years later, not 11.

Both those original films had complex and interesting plots, not "Dances With Blue People".

Both those original films had blockbuster stars.

Both those sequels had stories which expanded the original and were interesting. What's this gonna be? "AVATAR 2! Now, they're in space!" Blech.

It's gonna cost $250M to make and $300M to advertise and will probably gross less than that total.

You're out of your mind.

Is his $300M ad budget statement close to accurate?

I think that’s probably a massive overstatement. Plus, since they’re filming four new sequels, the budget will likely decrease with each as people will be anticipating the next film.

Also, there will be different environments explored, not “space”. One of the environments will be an ocean and James Cameron is a master.

Look no further than The Abyss.

Plus, he continues to add talent, as Kate Winslett was announced in the past 24 hours.

I’m stoked.

Thanks, just curious how large the ad budgets are for the majors.
FWIW I'm far from a film buff but i very much enjoyed Avatar, watched it twice with my son.

I'm betting he won't be adding Ed Harris to the ocean sequel. :D

Looks like this thing is finally going to come out Dec 2020. First one was such a beautiful film

Hell yeah . Forgot I made this thread lol.

Between Avatar 2 & Dune , I think 2020 is gonna be one hell of a year for sci fi.:clap:

I'm esp stoked what James Cameron has up his sleeves for the sequel. He's hinted at some jaw dropping underwater sequences . He even threw out a backhanded comment on the underwater scenes in Aquaman recently ROFL

Cameron is a record-setting underwater diver himself and knows a thing or two about filming beneath the sea with The Abyss, his various documentaries, and the upcoming Avatar sequels, and this is one reason why Aquaman wouldn’t have been a film he would make:

“I’ve spent thousands of hours underwater and I’m very literal about my underwater. It needs to look like it’s real and while I can enjoy that film [Aquaman], I don’t resonate with it because it doesn’t look real. By the way, it doesn’t actually help us with our issues of actually understanding the ocean and exploring the ocean and preserving the ocean. Although they did throw in a couple of things with whales and things like that to remind us that we are kind of using the ocean as a toilet and as a garbage dump, so I applaud the film for that.

“Yeah, I couldn’t have made that movie.”

We will get to see Cameron’s next take on an underwater blockbuster spectacle when his Avatar sequels release starting in December 2020.

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2019/...rwater-scenes/

Avatar underwater? Why underwater?

Well, they like ripping off old Kevin Kostner movies.

Perhaps the next one will rip off Waterworld.

I hated Avatar and is 3rd time the charm on Dune. Dune was a great series of books that just doesnt translate to film well it seems.

Could give a **** about Avatar, but as for Dune, I'm very cautiously optimistic. It's the same director that did the new Blade Runner movie, which I loved.

Maybe he'll get it right. Maybe he has enough respect/reverence for the source material not to **** it up. Maybe there won't be stupid shit like weirding modules and heart plugs. Maybe the Baron will actually be sinister instead of ridiculous. And maybe the desert scenes won't look like they were filmed in an abandoned warehouse with a couple of dump truck loads of sand like the Sci-Fi series.

Maybe.

Climate change, bro. That's how serious....:D

Avatar was cliched junk. The typical mighty whitey is a bad guy story and the natives are the good guys.

Atlantis the Lost Empire did the same storyline but way better and way more entertaining.

I'm down lol I always liked Waterworld

LMAO ha I didn't even think of that.

I did too. Thought the idea was really cool. It was a little clunky, and took lots of criticism for the price tag. But a lot of that was due to hurricanes destroying the sets.

Ever heard of the Ulysses cut?

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...cially.777996/

Hard to believe it's already been a decade since the first one.

I believe this is a year away. But they are starting to show some promotional art now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ICYMI — Check out these stunning concept art images from Avatar 2! <a href="https://t.co/QVVK8cVU21">pic.twitter.com/QVVK8cVU21</a></p>&mdash; Avatar (@officialavatar) <a href="https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1437807131856564227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JimCameron?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JimCameron</a> recently sat down with <a href="https://twitter.com/EW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EW</a> and shared a few exclusive photos from the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AvatarSequels?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AvatarSequels</a>. Check out the photos �� and read James Cameron&#39;s interview here:<a href="https://t.co/zdhrBvUKG5">https://t.co/zdhrBvUKG5</a> <a href="https://t.co/NyaNjWxPoY">pic.twitter.com/NyaNjWxPoY</a></p>&mdash; Avatar (@officialavatar) <a href="https://twitter.com/officialavatar/status/1470875216871972865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

First one was complete trash lol.

Can't wait for more white man/colonist bad claptrap.

Meh

This is a reach. It's humans colonizing an alien planet.. has nothing to do with white people specifically.

Honestly this film better hope it doesn't get trashed in reviews. Waiting like 20 years for the next installment only for it to suck would be Duke Nukem levels of hilarious disappointment. James Cameron has been hyping this film for so long but taking the George R.R Martin approach in productivity.

I don't get this. Not many people hated on the movie when it first came out, but as time goes by more and more people mock it.

I really don't understand what is so bad about it. It's James Cameron near his best. And there is so much they can do with it for sequels.

Cause it's alien Pocahontas.

The visuals are really cool though if you have a good set up. That's basically the only reason I'll end up watching the 2nd one. Just to see how far Cameron takes the visuals and how much bigger they make that world.

Avatar 2: Environmental Boogaloo

This time the aliens symbiotically connected to their planet and its ecosystem are REALLY mad!!

Dances With Wolves with Outerspace Aliens

Yes. And so what.

This. I find Costner extremely grating and annoying so never watched Dance with Wolves. Who cares if it's about "Outerspace Aliens", I love SciFi.

I'm just pissed the videogame has been delayed 4 years or so, I couldn't care less about the movies but ya I could care less about the videogame from Massive.

So I read back through this complete thread. I previously posted how blown away I was by the special effects for when they came out and how meh the plot was.

If all you got is special effects, that doesn't usually age well. Not too many think the King Kong from the 30's or Godzilla films from the 50's are the all time cinematic masterpieces of that era.

Wizard of Oz

Exactly! Avatar came out way back in 2009 and the cgi was so jaw dropping and were so great that the word of mouth from movie goers was off the charts. It was that whole "You have to see it to believe it" sorta thing. And so many people saw it in IMAX 3D (which is the way James Cameron intended for the audience to see it in)

Its now the year 2022 and technology has come soooo far since 2009 . Can you imagine how good the special effects will be for the sequels.:eek: Cameron has always been known to push the envelope with making movie magic (his filmography speaks for itself ). So I can't wait to see what Cameron has up his sleeve with the sequels. I know he's hinted that he's going to have some insane under water action scenes that sound really cool .

Here's a pic of Kate Winslet (yes you read that right. Kate Winslet from Titanic has a role in Avatar 2 haha) that went viral awhile back filming a scene under water.
https://i.gadgets360cdn.com/large/av...3778825494.jpg
Apparently she beat Tom Cruise's record for an actor/actress holding their breath under water while being filmed. (something like over 6 minutes :eek: my stoner ass couldn't come close to that haha)
Honestly, the ONLY thing that gives me pause is the child actors. I normally can't stand child actors and find them to usually be annoying but there's been some good ones over the years. Hopefully they won't have big parts.

I totally forgot I made this thread (way back in 2017:banghead:) Its now coming out December 2022. I pray to God it doesn't get delayed for the millionth time. But with this shitty pandemic you never know. Feels like I've been waiting 84 years for this shit.
https://c.tenor.com/FYeEj8puxrwAAAAM...ep-titanic.gif
Hoping its good!

Ya. I can't wait to go on that beautiful ride again.

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan View Post
So I read back through this complete thread. I previously posted how blown away I was by the special effects for when they came out and how meh the plot was.

If all you got is special effects, that doesn't usually age well. Not too many think the King Kong from the 30's or Godzilla films from the 50's are the all time cinematic masterpieces of that era.

Wizard of Oz didn't stay famous decade after decade merely because of special effects.

It really did capture hearts and minds with the characters and story.

Pay no attention to the wizard behind the curtain.

Toto we're not in Kansas anymore.

The wicked witch is dead.

What similar scene from Avatar would ever have similar staying power?

And then it became famous because it was a part of the American Canon that everyone knew.


I guess a counter example is 2001 Space Odyssey. The book was reasonable but the movie didn't age well as it's not much more than special effects.
However, it shows up on a surprising number of top 100 movie lists of critics that I would guess haven't seen it in thirty+ years.

Anything with colonialism in modern Hollywood that is negative is white guilt/boo the white man. That is the subtext.

It is pretty blatant.

Like I have said before. Avatar had ground breaking efforts with a hack plot. Once you get past the smoke and mirrors, there is simply nothing present to keep people engaged.

I’m sorry, but what??? Are you sure you’re thinking of the right movie?