Then yes.I bought my wife one around Sept last year and we love it.We've put roughly 600-700 rounds through it so far and not a single complaint.Very accurate and fun to shoot gun IMO.Easy as hell to field strip and clean,very nice gun.

they will handle +p ammo ?

I have fired the 115 gr JHP+P through it with no problems.Typically we do shoot the regular 115/124 gr FMJ at the range but I picked up a few 50 round boxes of just about every 9mm round I could find just to test it out.

Honestly I started not to get the gun at first cause I'm not so familiar with Taurus but after shooting it quite a bit I'd do it again.She loves it and I even found some 20 round mags for it for $10 a piece which make it fun as hell at the range.

I need to put some rounds threw it. It feels great in my hands. its just way different from Black powder revolvers. kinda a new adventure for me. what i really want is a dearest eagle in 357 mag

I love the gun to be honest,and I am very pleasantly surprised with it so far.

I put 1500 rounds through my Beretta 92FS when I went to the combat pistol school back in July. Never had any problems whatsoever. My buddy shot his Glock .40 and nary an issue. Shooting that many rounds in temps from 95 to 103 was a test more of me than the guns.

School if interested was HiCaliber training. It is part of T1G. Both have websites. Awesome. Would do it again in a heartbeat.

Here's a review - very positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vaSTmblWGw

I just picked up a new pocket filler. Sig Sauer p238

My next 2 will be a new 1911 .45 and the next rifle will be a .204

I have never owned a Sig but have been looking at them quite a bit lately.Well them and the H&K's,I'm always curious about guns that I know little about.

I have been told by some pretty knowledgable gun fanatics to stay away from Colt 1911's. They said that they are living on their name instead of quality (just on the 1911).


I love my S&W 1911. Definately pay the extra 70 to get the adjustable sight.

It's basically a miniframe1911 .380.

I compared it to the LCP, a Taurus acp, s&w bodyguard, a keltec and a walther.

The Sig was more but the reviews were good, the gun shop guys spoke highly of them, and when the rubber met the road, it fit a lot better in my hand. It's more of a 31/2 finger grip instead of 2 for me on the others.

I'm going to put some grips on it for comfort, but overall I'm very happy so far.

As much as some guys are nervous about Taurus, I'm really not these days, and I like their 1911.

That said, I'll probably go with a Springfield.

As for black rifles...we buy lowers and put our own together.

S&W makes a damn fine 1911,if not some of the best in the entire world IMO.Don't get me wrong I love my Springfield A1 loaded but the S&W's have really caught my eye as of late.I also have been checking out the Wilson Combat 1911's.

Thanks ,excellent info. especially about the early 90s parts change out

the first handgun I bought was a p94 .40, I've had it for longer than I'd care to admit now, but It's never given me a problem unless I ran cheap ammo through it and it was dirty....I've had issues with cheap ammo hanging up and jamming due to the casings if it wasn't clean. It was a good investment for what i needed at the time, and it's still in my close to the bed war chest.

The reviews at Bud's are overwhelmingly positive as well. Looks like you got yourself a fine pistol there, worth about $500.

$850 for what I posted. Not that high-dollar as the colt listed in the OP.

Ill go back and re look. I had one over 2 grand

CDNN has them for $850, as well as the colt 6920 for $1100.

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2010-6/index.html

Hey, Kraus, do these guys have a physical location I can go visit? I like their prices and selection a lot.

They are somewhere down in Texas if I remember correctly. Not sure if they have an actual store.

I've bought a few rifles and pistols from CDNN, nice prices, no problems. Don't have any idea if there's a brick & mortar store you could visit in Texas. Nothing would surprise me. If you go to Texas for gun shopping, here's where I used to shop. I'd go in and 'wish' in here on the weekends, it was a few miles from my apt:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/

Grabbed a pretty sweet old shotgun recently. Had a model 11 Remington stolen from me back in '74, have always been watching for another good one to take it's place. These are the old Browning A5, sold with another label, for my purposes. John Browning (PBUH) churned out some of the finest guns, ever, and I've always shot well with this type of gun. Not fast, mind you, but well.
I found one of the model 11's, with some of the prettiest walnut I've seen. Made in 1928 - she needs a repair to the safety for my peace of mind but is in fine shape otherwise. Anyway, getting the old girl makes ME happy. You kids and your kooky music!

Oooooohhh shootin thread and I'm about ready to post up pics of my AR build in a few days. Just need to get the sights in. *mostly* done. Personally I prefer to build up mine if I can baring a few cases.

My lower is build off a spikes billet lower, what I love on it is a ambi-bolt release. I love it, put a new mag in sight down, both hands still on gun trigger finger releases the bolt, thumb off the safety. Like the POF version.

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Picked up a geissele super dynamic trigger, was a little worried about the flat trigger at first but I really like the feel! Pricey but I really like it.

http://media.midwayusa.com/productim...344/344901.jpg

Probably going to pick up an FN fiveSeven in a month or so and a 1911 para to build off of. To bad the PRK has it's head up it's ass or I'd just buy a frame....

I had a rem # 11 stolen to. back in 1997. They caught the guy trying to use my credit card. He got 5 years in the big house. but my guns were gone forever,
The # 11 is a close copy of the Browning. Dont ever buy Browning a-5 parts thinking they will fit a Rem # 11 ,they wont. They are different guns to be sure.
My favorite shotgun is the old rem#11 in 16 gauge made around 1920

Of the .45’s I’ve shot my Colt 1991A1 was the best right out of the box.
My Dad ended up having to get a competition trigger group for his Springfield just to get a smooth consistent trigger pull.

That's cool. I have always thought Colt made great firearms so when I was told that it definately surprised me.

Damn, I thought they were in Springfield for some reason. Oh well, thanks anyway, man.

Here's my WVSP edition M&P 15

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...phan/WV152.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...tphan/WV15.jpg

So what is the difference between the AR15, M4, Colt A2, etc? They all look the same and seem to be .223 caliber.

If they are all milspec then fundamentally 95+% of the parts will be interchangeable. I believe some of the colts have larger pivot and takedown pins which prevent them from being 100% compatible. But most of the AR-15(semi-auto M16 which all of them fall into) can fully swap parts. That's why I have fun building mine rather than buying off the shelf. You get to cherry pick which parts go into the gun. AR-15s in rifles and 1911s in pistols both allow a TON of customizations if you want.

Interestingly enough while the AR-15 platform is almost 100% standard the AR-10 platform is fairly fragmented. Part of the reason I got the AR-15 was all of the support. I'm planning to have multiple uppers, 5.56, 22LR, .410, 5.7x28, and likely a .50 WSSM variant(but you have to reload that).

You are getting the "Vehicle Stopper" upper?


Sweet mother of God! I think I just pitched a tent. LMAO

LMAO

Yeah, that is freaking awesome.

What is 50 WSSM ?
When you jump to bigger cal;s like 243, 308,25-05 ,30-06. AR-15 lowers will not work.
You now will need AR-10 lower with an upper in what ever cal you chose.

LMAO....yes yes I am...why? Because I can... I've actually been a big fan of the WSSM case because it's a great case and cut down it fits right into the AR mag AND if you chop the neck it's exactly a .50 which makes reloading simpler.

It's not out yet currently two groups are working on something similar. The biggest available WSSM wildcat is 358. Delta arms is working on the .50 Hushpuppy.

http://www.deltacompanyarms.com/CURRENT_PROJECTS.html

A group associated with olympic arms is building either a 458 or .50 WSSM variant. The 458 obviously has better bullet selection, but the .50 will be easier to reload(since you just chop the wssm case for easier brass). Plus the .50 is just sexier!:D Too bad 50BMG bullets can't fit in the AR15 mag.

I love it.

I just watched a demo on a M-16 .50 Cal upper on the Military channel the other day. Badass.

I have not seen the energy numbers on that particular round yet, but I bet it bring one hell of a whallop.

YouTube won't allow me to Embed this video, but checkout the link and prepare for satisfaction.


.50 Cal Beowulf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUmB...eature=related

400 Grain. :)

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I'm pretty sure I now know what my wife feels like when I talk about computers.

Actually the 300 WSSM that olympic sells gets 308 power and velocity out of the AR-15 magazine. Short fat case for greater powder. You lose round capacity but really I don't think you'll need to hit something with a 50 WSSM twice.

the WSSM is the base case that alot of interesting wildcats are fitting in. Actually the 7 WSSM is being used by more and more competition long range shooters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winches...r_Short_Magnum

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?pag...mart&Itemid=37

http://www.oa2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9155

yea I looked at he 50 beowulf, the 450 bush, the 458 socom. For the wulf it's got really proprietary brass and it's low power. The WSSM case is an officially produced case with good brass availability. All you have to do is buy 7mm WSSM brass and chop it at the neck. Alot cheaper. Bullets are the same at .50 S&W.

Looks like the 50 WSSM variant(whatever they ultimately call it either .50HP or 50 OSSM or something), should outperform all three of those big bore options.

He aint even warmed up...the "code" with AR lovers takes a lot of work to crack.

Its a wildcat based of the SW 500?

LMAO I'm an engineer/scientist by trade so if its mechanical, given the choice, I prefer to build it rather than buy it. I do a crap ton of homework to try to pick the best value. SInce I picked up the lower I've done about 6 months of homework on the AR-15 platform to decide what I wanted.

I gathered roughly the same from watching the show. Velocity is probably pretty slow and I wouldn't trust it's accuracy when the distance gets stretched.

No it's based off the Winchester Super Short Magnum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winches...r_Short_Magnum

Rifle cartridge based off the Winchester Short Magnum. Allows for quite a bit of powder and has some ballistics advantages and is high pressure.

A 50 WSSM variant would use 50 S&W bullets since no way would 50BMG bullets fit(well unless you only wanted a few grains of powder).

Thanks /It is very interesting to say the least. I like wssm 223. my friend hunts with this in a Savage I believe. It is a laser beam.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/images...%20X%20PSP.jpg

Yea I like the cartridge enough I've been very tempted just to pick up a regular WSSM upper. One thing I've read is that stock 25 WSSM can be a bit too long for the AR-15 magazine.

BTW decent resource for people if they want to see an AR-15 built up from scratch. THe video is a bit small but still useful.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11004/learn/

And....in the ultimate display of unnecessary excessiveness...IF they ever catch up on back order and make these generally in stock I'm so going to buy one.....Was supposed to be this month but ares is the king of unfulfilled promises.

http://www.aresdefense.com/images/sh...hurecenter.jpg

:D I have some shooting friends out here but for the rest it's harder to explain. I usually resort to...well you can take the boy out of kansas, but you can't take the kansas out of the boy.

This made me think of Vermin in Johnny Dangerously:

Danny Vermin: I got something to stop him.
Dutch: They made it for him special. It's an eighty-eight Magnum.
Danny Vermin: It shoots through schools.

What about something like this: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...06&mid=FNM0152

They also have the 17S which is a .308 model. Is it bad that I'm judging the guns by how they are in Call of Duty?

BTW current pics of the 22LR build...not quite done but soon. Pardon the beat up nature of the mag...I had to basically build a new mag for the 22LR since the stock mags looked like crap. Nice thing about the new mag is the last round bolt hold open feature is nice and crisp now.

If the clouds stay gone ??????????????????????????????????????
Me
My Remington Mohawk 600 & some Fiocchi 40 grn v-max are going to go hunt some dogs after 10 pm tonight

:sulk:Jealous.

I would love to have the civilian SCAR, if it wasn't $2,000+

thats odd looking. short and fat.

OMG

This.

A tip for the mini 14 owners.
I thought I would do a post showing the 1911 buffer installation. It's the same for any buffer. I just use the 1911 because they are cheap (), they fit, they work, and come in 6-packs

The buffer goes on the recoil spring at the recoil spring/guide rod/receiver junction. You just grab the recoil spring & guide rod as one unit, pull it out of the buffer and buffer cross pin assembly and slip the 1911 buffer on the spring/guide rod over it, with the curved side toward the barrel. Pay special attention to the Tang on the guide rod when you pull it out of the buffer assembly and reinstall. The tang rests on the cross pin and there is only one position that will allow the op rod to cycle correctly. The Tang of the guide rod should always be facing to the top of the mini or the hand guard whichever is easiest to remember. I just remember TT, for Tang Top. There is no tang on the older standard mini 14’s, the guide rod just fits into a recess. The tang is only found on the newer minis with the built in scope mounts (tactical) and ranch mini’s, old & new. No need to completely remove the recoil spring and guide rod, just pull it back an inch or two to allow enough space to slip the buffer on.
I'm sold on the buffers, they absorb the impact of the op rod into the receiver and prevent metal to metal contact. One buffer should last 500-1000 rounds, they usually come in packs of 6, so one pack should last a long time. A pack usually costs anywhere form $6 to $8 dollars. I use the Wilson brand, there are other brands with different reputations for durability and softness. Some people use them on the front over the gas pipe in the gas block to absorb the front slam of the op rod into the gas block. I always thought they would melt, but after giving one away and having a couple of hundred rounds go through that mini I could see no signs of it melting. But one thing for sure it was taking a lot of impact from the op rod. I plan to try one there in the future. But as I am now working on trying different size gas bushings I am looking to start from a stock position for the gas system and ejection. A buffer in the front will hold the op rod back slightly from seating onto the gas block pipe. It may not matter, but for the gas bushing testing I am doing I don't want to add another variable to the mix right now.
I have not heard of any negative reports from people using the 1911 buffers at the back, but I have heard of reports of some of the commercial mini buffers being to thick and not allowing the bolt to go back far enough to cycle the rounds. In that case people are either shaving the buffer down or cutting them in two making 2 buffers out of 1.
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/attac...s-1911-web-jpg
For those that dont no what they are looking at. it is the Blue rubber bushing. This trick really helps with the beating a scope takes on a Mini

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=241631



Another very good cheap upgrade is a strut. It will cut MOA by 1/2 if not more. Pluss your mini will look more like a M-14.http://www.accu-strut.com/pages/application%20guide.htm

& last but not least. this probably is the best bang for your buck IMO when trying to improve barrel accuracy on older Mini & Ranch rifles.
http://www.cryopro.com/gun.html

Aight, players, is there a forum somewhere where I can go ask an expert or two to show me the best gun possible on a $1500 budget for the purpose of having fun at the range and being ready for the collapse of society? :D

AR-15 for around $1100 (or less)

or

Saiga .308 for around $400


Must have for home defense:


Remington 870 Express Synthtic 7 Round

http://www.remington.com/~/media/Ima...7rnd-prod.ashx

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...c-7-round.aspx


Just purchased a brand new one for $300. :)

[QUOTE=HonestChieffan;7376555]Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it.

I carry a Glock 29 and love it

+ 1 on a good AR-15. $750 on up
& this or better,for when the Zombies take away Ammo or throw a 100% tax on it.
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2005653...=263602_309572

Good luck as prairie dogs go underground about an hour before sundown.

Coyotes

And here it is, tricked out with the laser and grip.

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Photo...14_TNK9h-L.jpg

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Photo...22_z6fPs-L.jpg

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Photo...31_LpuJs-L.jpg

Every time we go to the Black Hills or anywhere else with prairie dogs, we always have to stop, and I have to endure a ten minute litany of how ****ing cute they are.

So I'm in trouble if my wife sees that post.

Especially if I can't stop myself from chuckling. :evil:

ar15.com

Got some range time in:

Buddy's AR15 .223 w/ ACOG:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5114345_n.jpg

My PTR91KF in .308:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4833140_n.jpg

That looks sweet, man. I think I'm just going to call up the place you linked and see how much they're selling their Sig 556's for and if it's $1300 or less, I'll buy the Sig, it it's more, I'll just go ahead and buy the Colt for $1100. I like how it comes with the quad rail too. I'm just not sure how hard it will be to change the top so I can mount some optics because it'll come with the handle. Even, then, a red dot might fail when you most need it, but the gunsights will always be there.

I think CDNN still has a deal where if you buy a Sig 556 you get a Sig 522 for free.

Holy shit, that would be sick. Now I'm looking at Daniel Defense too and they have some pretty nice rifles. Too bad most of them are out of stock.

I go through the same thing when we travel around there. But I did call the wife in to look at the picture. She found it very disturbing and even more disturbing to her was that I was laughing at it.

Because this always makes me laugh.

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Just bought a S&W Sigma .40 at Academy for $300. Not a bad price IMO, but wow what a heavy trigger!

I think that's what always made me fall in love with the 1911's when I first shot them. I just love the light SA triggers. My rifle trigger is very 1911ish.

This should be one of the next ones I pick up if I can jump through the right hoops.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/p...1445Sphoto.jpg

Funny you say that cause at the range yesterday, I shot my buddy's 1911 Springfield .45. LOVED the way it felt but damn that trigger was light, not to mention the kick!

LOL yes the 45 is not soft on the kick...then again I'm a bit crazy because I plan to put 45 super springs in and have a 10mm conversion. What can I say I like punishment! :D

Heh, you go. :thumb:

Actually I bought this one knowing that there was a mod available to make the trigger pull lighter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhO5-SvbDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesiGtC8y1g

We'll see. I'm gonna wait a bit though before performing this (do so more research, make sure no current issues with it stock, etc.).

Sales guy claims that they've NEVER returned one to the mfr. Hopefully that wasn't BS.

I carry a glock 29 that is a 10mm and I love it.