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Bowser 07-20-2021 05:06 PM

Vonnie Holiday

Bowser 07-20-2021 05:06 PM

Dan Williams

Bowser 07-20-2021 05:07 PM

....off the top of my head

Jewish Rabbi 07-20-2021 05:10 PM

Junior Siavii

cdcox 07-20-2021 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15747618)
I too require explanation. Are these the top five guys who retired each year? I can't quite read the x axis.

And I'll correct MagicHef's unfortunate error by saying that it looks like Reggie White and Derrick Thomas are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.

The data are the top 250 pass rushers since 1960. They are plotted in chronological order, based on the last year they played. My praise of Deacon Jones is based on how far above his contemporary peers he is compared to other players. Players who played in a common era faced similar offensive lines, styles of play, and played under common rules. Deacon was a real standout of his era. I discount Aaron Donald a bit because he is in the prime of his career, and hasn't yet recorded the last few years of his career where a player's productivity often rolls off. He Donald remains dominant through his retirement, he might unseat Jones as the most dominant pass rusher of all time.

cdcox 07-20-2021 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15748249)
Okay, here's your next question. 46 Chiefs recorded 10 or more sacks in their Chiefs career. Of those, name the top 10 in terms of sacks per game played.

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I suspect Curly Culp and Jared Allen will do well on this list.
I'll add the usual suspects: DT, Buck Buchanan, Aaron Brown, Jerry Mays.

Rain Man 07-20-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15748270)
R-Kal Truluck

Sadly, he did not make the 10 sack cutoff.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15748271)
Vonnie Holiday

See above.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 15748272)
Dan Williams

Wow! I thought he'd be a tough out, but you got it. He's #6 all time.


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6. Dan Williams - 0.56
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Mecca 07-20-2021 08:40 PM

Derrick Thomas is first, when you had e his career total his per game number is like .76

Rain Man 07-20-2021 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15748538)
Derrick Thomas is first, when you had e his career total his per game number is like .76

That's a good guess, and you're close. He's #2.

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Jenson71 07-20-2021 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15747248)
Bingo.

#1 - Derrick Thomas - 126.5
#2 - Tamba Hali - 89.5
#3 - Neil Smith - 85.5
#4 - Justin Houston - 78.5
#5 - Art Still - 74
#6 - Buck Buchanan - 70.5
#7 - Jerry Mays - 65.5
#8 - Mike Bell - 52
#9 - Aaron Brown - 51
#10 - Eric Hicks - 44.5

It would be interesting to break down the comparison between DT and Buck Buchanan. For example, Thomas played in 169 games versus BB playing in 182, but of those games, how many passing plays were there?

Thomas played from 89-99, and during those years, the top passing attempts leader in the NFL averaged 601 attempts (over 16 games). But in Buchanan's days, the top passing attempts leader averaged 464 (I'm factoring in the two games the teams played less, as it was actually 406 over 14 games).

So can someone break down how these players compare in sacks per opportunity to see who was the most dominating sack monster in Chiefs history?

I'd guess DT still wins out, but Buchanan has got to be further up there.

suzzer99 07-20-2021 09:58 PM

Justin Houston has to be up there in sacks/game.

Rain Man 07-20-2021 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71 (Post 15748695)
It would be interesting to break down the comparison between DT and Buck Buchanan. For example, Thomas played in 169 games versus BB playing in 182, but of those games, how many passing plays were there?

Thomas played from 89-99, and during those years, the top passing attempts leader in the NFL averaged 601 attempts (over 16 games). But in Buchanan's days, the top passing attempts leader averaged 464 (I'm factoring in the two games the teams played less, as it was actually 406 over 14 games).

So can someone break down how these players compare in sacks per opportunity to see who was the most dominating sack monster in Chiefs history?

I'd guess DT still wins out, but Buchanan has got to be further up there.

That would indeed be interesting. I bet a good proxy could be easily done by just dividing sacks by the average passing attempts per game.

I was initially thinking that the old-timers might have more sacks per game due to the pass-blocking rules in place in those years. It was much harder to pass protect. But you're right in that there was a lot less passing in general, which may more than compensate.

Rain Man 07-20-2021 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 15748701)
Justin Houston has to be up there in sacks/game.

You bring home the gold. Houston is #1. This surprises me a little given how long it took him to come back fully from the injury.

1. Justin Houston - .77
2. Derrick Thomas - .75
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6. Dan Williams - .56
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Mecca 07-20-2021 10:10 PM

Houston had a 20 sack season and missed a bunch of games following, all the missed games actually help his number.

Jared Allen is probably on there.

Rain Man 07-20-2021 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15748722)
Houston had a 20 sack season and missed a bunch of games following, all the missed games actually help his number.

Jared Allen is probably on there.

Interesting that you would bring up Jared Allen. #3 all time.

1. Justin Houston - .77
2. Derrick Thomas - .75
3. Jared Allen - .70
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6. Dan Williams - .56
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