Orlando Brown Projected Contract 6 year $145 mil
 

So there's an article on NFL network saying that Orlando Brown is expected to sign for 6 years $145 mil.

That comes to $24.16 mil/yr and makes him the highest paid offensive lineman in football. It also would give him the 19th highest salary per year in the NFL

How would you feel if that is the contract he ended up signing?

I'm fine with it. He is a top 5 LT and he's only 26 next season. A young great LT is a guy you can't let leave.

Sounds like Veach read the writing on the wall and had to bite the bullet on Tyreek.

Yo Htismaqe told ya

I voted 'no' because I think he's going to get a bit below this and I think he actually deserves even more below that.

He's definitely above average and young but I don't think he's shown that he's elite. Unfortunately we're in a position where we can't really start over at the position so he's going to get more than he probably should.

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He’s a young ascending player at a crucial position. I’d be fine with it. Gotta protect the franchise’s blind side.

Is there a link to this story?

I say NO and really don't believe it unless it is some kind of contract that is pretty cheap in the first few years and easy to cut in the later years.

No LT is getting that kind of money currently and there is nothing like the WR Adams deal that completely explodes the market.

Damn we are getting killed on that one.

Yes, 26 year old stud LT's are very hard to find. We simply have to.

Tweet 2 posts up.

I don't believe those numbers, but contracts have been insane for a while now.

It could be worse. We could have wasted picks and only had him for a year.

Naysayers, what's your solution?

Let Brown go, after we traded a first round pick for him a year ago?

Trade a lot of our draft capital to move up in the draft for a LT?

Trade more picks for some other veteran LT?

Start a developmental prospect on Mahomes' blind side?

Or pay Orlando Brown the market rate for a 25 year old, top third LT?

The line was pretty good last year. PFF ranked them #5 in their final rankings for 2021. You want to upset all of that and package up a bunch of draft picks for a chance at someone who might eventually be a marginal improvement?

He’s a slight above LT who was fine after adjusting. I’d pay it bc those players are not easy to find.

Only so many humans made that big and athletic

this same argument is made every year. No “x position” in football is worth that price. Then someone pays it and then the rest follow.

You and over 1/2 the Planet say no, okay tell me how we get someone as good or better? How much money does it cost? How many draft picks?

You think only WR salaries are escalating? Just wait, it’s going to be every position.

People need to read this.

If you have played around with contract structures at ALL, 6 years makes a lot of sense.

If the deal is 6/145, what I think that REALLY equates to is a 4/85 or 5/100-ish deal that has a fluff, fake, never-gonna-be-paid-in-actuality huge number on year 6 that lets Orlando brag about his deal and say he's the top LT in the NFL... without him ever actually earning the AAV in a single year.

Lock him up, and barring injuries we have protected Mahomes for years.

If we picked this piece of shit over Tyreek I'm gonna lose it.

Super Bowl LV

Absolutely.

He's a young, ascending player. He had a rough start to the season but really improved after the first 6 games it seems. That's partly his improvement but also the online gelling and Mahomes feeling comfortable.

Plus, I think the direction of the offense will fit his blocking style a lot better as well.

Way too much for my liking but I’m sure some team would pay him that much. I mean the guy is not even a clear top 5 LT.

But Veach’s options are limited. You don’t want to play with Mahomes’s health and unless you draft a T who has a great rookie season on the right side, there is not much you can do. Niang is too injury prone at this point.

This is not a done deal

This article projects Orlando Brown’s potential extension : Six years, $145 million ($24 million APY), with $65 million fully guaranteed.

“Men’s courses will foreshadow certain ends, to which, if persevered in, they must lead. But if the courses are departed from, the ends will change.”
- Ebenezer Scrooge, ‘A Christmas Carol’.

I say that the final deal for Orlando Brown Jr will be better.

If OBJ is this good, we should at least be able to get a bunch of draft picks in a trade.

I'll play along for fun.

Trade Brown for a mid 2nd.

Move Thuney to LT like against the Bengals in the regular season. Allegretti at LG. Creed and Trey. And then draft a RT.

I don't think this is remotely realistic but, hey, we're spitballing, right?

If Thuney could play LT competently as he did in that game and not immediately demand LT money, I think this would be the obvious choice.

I guess people didn't pay attention to Patrick bailing out running to the right sideline then throwing it away all the time. Brown cant handle speed rushers and he is going to face even more this year. If we would run the ball a little more and brown would trim down some he might become great. I just don't trust throwing money at him and expect him to not get fatter.

I feel like I'd rather trade both 1sts to move up for Penning then trade Orlando for a 2nd and change.

Yeah, the options don't seem great. Sure he is young enough that he could get better.

But yeah, he might just as easily get fatter and slower after getting a big paycheck.

LT is more important than WR. People act like Hill is unstoppable. He isn't and we have seen that in the playoffs.

Gross. We have so many holes to fill. The idea that we'd use those picks on even an immediate Anthony-Munoz-level LT would be a disastrous decision.

1 Trent Williams
$23,010,000

2 David Bakhtiari
$23,000,000

3 Laremy Tunsil
$22,000,0004

4 Ronnie Stanley
$19,750,000

5 Kolton Miller
$18,000,000

What's wrong with paying players fair market value vs having to pay a player top dollar everytime their contact is about to expire? $20-21 million is fair value for some one of OBJ's caliber.

Starting to see buzz about the top 10 for Panning, though. He's popping in as high as six.

Very much agree.

I think the initial headlines with the actual OBJ contract might look like a 6 year $145 deal.

That is NOT what is going to be paid.

Proof how little I like Orlando at LT, because I don't.

Mahomes admitted part of that was on him, especially early.

He averaged 84 yards a game in the playoffs in his career, idiot.

The bigger issue is that OBJ isn't as good as anyone on that list.

Mahomes made Brown look way worse than what he was in the beginning of the year.

Horrible. We were complaining about him mid season now he’s a top 5 nfl tackle?

I'm not against OBJ and I understand that the NFL player market is going up.

Someone has already posted the top NFL LT cap figures.

I am against creating our own LT market explosion by doing a huge deal that is way above market.

We may see a headline grabbing numbers for the Orlando Brown contract, but the actual dollars paid by KC will be far less.

I just hope they can get something done sooner than later. More cap is always good and the FA pickings get slimmer every day.

Yikes.

Don’t like the look of that contract projection, especially after seeing Armstead’s deal with Miami (yes, I realize he’s 31 and injury prone).

But then again, if it’s REALLY something like 4/$85 mil. with a bunch of ‘fluff money’ thrown in on the back end of the contract, not gonna lose too much sleep over it. I’m sure it will also have a low first year cap hit.

Curious to see where it will end up when it gets done, but honestly more interested in the structure of the deal.

We’ll see . . . . . . .

Very true, but you'd think he'd be happy with just making more than Ronnie Stanley, no need to play him top dollar.

Depends on the structure.

If the 6th year is $35 million or more, it's right at the 5/$100-$110 many of us expected.

And in all probability that's EXACTLY what it will be.

So I voted no but only because I wasn't thinking when I clicked on it. That's so much term you know there's a massive chunk of fake money in there and for a player that young, that kind of additional flexibility is only likely to be helpful long-term.

Veach signs Juju. Everyone bitched until they saw the contract details.
Veach signs MVS. Everyone bitched until they saw the contract details.

Everyone want to guess what the next part is?

What were the contract details on MVS?

Everything I heard before I decided I didn't really give a shit was something like 2/$18 million as the probable contract. Which still struck me as a little stout.

MVS Cap figures ’22 $4.88M, ’23 $11M, ’24 $14M

N/M - found it.

I think the most appealing part of the MVS contract is actually that it has a 1-year ripcord on it.

If he doesn't take to the offense and make strides as a multi-purpose weapon, the structure is such that you can cut him after a single season, absorb some dead cap and move along. But your cap hit for this year is so low that, as is often the case, it 'forward pays' the dead cap charge next year.

It really is a 1 year deal for about $8.75 million w/ a team option next season for about $8.75 million. That could be a hell of a lot worse.

In terms of the number, it's still a little higher than I'd like, but that's just what the market for WRs has been this year - shit happens.

Gonna need more flyers like Powell to hit in the coming years.

A Top 5 WR in the league is more valuable than ANY tackle let alone an overrated one who can't handle speed rushers. And it isn't even close.

I don't even know how you could argue otherwise in todays game, especially with a mobile QB like Mahomes.

ya but Hill would have been better to pay that shit to

he has over 1,000 playoff yards

Didn’t workout so well in the Super Bowl in Tampa did it? Mahomes and Hill didn’t do much good without a line to block for them, even with Mahomes’ mobility.

Yeah if you let Tyreek go, there's not much reason to not sign him to play with Patrick for the next 3 - 5 years barring injury concerns, which he hasn't really shown is an issue yet. We don't need LT to be questionable or a revolving door to where we get back to a Super Bowl, just to see what a second rate OLine looks like against a good pass rush and gift Brady another Super Bowl.

How many did he get against Tampa in the SB? Oh that’s right Mahomes spent the night running for his life and couldn’t utilize Hill because he had absolutely no blocking up front. So Hill did Jack and shit.

if the starters were healthy it would have been different. It is what it is, you do gotta have good tackles.

The problem is that he is an average LT. He allows a lot more pressures per snap than an elite LT. I’d take Kolton Miller and his deal in a heartbeat. We probably don’t have much choice, but we are going to end up paying him more than much better performing LT are getting.

Ok, so we take a line that was probably top 5 last year by the end of the season, and trade away its LT. Then we take one of the best guards in the league and try to convert him into a LT. We do this because we feel good about making Nick Allegretti a starter. We then make RT, not LT, a draft priority. And we say this is "the obvious choice".

No no. It's not "the obvious choice" to go this route. But contingent upon a guarantee that Thuney could play LT competently, we'd absolutely rather have someone on his contract - which was a lot for a guard but not much for a tackle - playing LT. That would be "the obvious choice" in terms of how to fix this situation if we were forced to do so, in my view.

Brown is good but not great and didn't fit our scheme that well last year. Certainly that may change if we shift to a more conventional offense that's ready to run the ball more, but the jury is out.

I'm under no illusion that he'll be the LT for the Chiefs for the next 5 years and that's fine. Veach made a major investment to get him, he's not exactly the guy we were hoping for, but he's close enough that this shouldn't warrant another investment to find THE guy.

He's young but he ain't "great!"

eric fisher is holding on line 1 ;)

Trade that MF'er and draft a 1st rounder. He's no where near worth that! Hell, bring back Fisher for 10mil.

This..All day long. Dude is a good LT not a great one. Fisher was actually a better all around LT.

I'm not sure if Brown had been the LT, that it would have made any difference. He can't handle speed rushers. :shrug:

Yeah, if the only justification you have for paying Brown is "What the hell else are we supposed to do," that's pure desperation.

We wouldn't make a generational WR that we drafted and groomed the highest paid at his position, but we're going to give an average LT who the Ravens didn't even want the biggest contract for an o-lineman in NFL history because we have no other plan and don't want to look stupid for trading a pick for him?

Sorry, but that's just really infuriating. There are always guys floating around in free agency that can play at the level Brown did last year for half the price. The thought process behind this is just really frustrating.

If it's structured right, I'm fine with it. You'll always need to hand out contracts that are larger than you want when you either whiff on drafting a replacement or choose not to draft a younger replacement (for Fisher, in this instance). I expect these types of contracts to be more the exception than rule in the future, assuming Veach continues to draft like a boss. For instance, I wouldn't be surprised if we took a flyer on a mid-round tackle over the next 3 years that ended up being the reason we release/trade OBJ when most of the dead money is gone. This is also why you always draft BPA. If an early to mid first round talent at T dropped this year (not likely), I'd take him at 29/30 in a heartbeat.

No, it's not desperation, it's reality.

The reality is that Brown right now is the best option. Just like the reality is that a 6 year, $145m contract won't really be what it looks like, and will actually be about market value for a 26 year old, 3 time Pro Bowl OT. That's not desperation, it's locking up your best option before the new TV deal sends the cap skyrocketing.

Look, I've been critical of Brown as a fit for the offense long before he got here-back when people wanted to trade for him. I thought he wasn't a great fit for the deep drop, wait for Tyreek to clear coverage 50 yards downfield offense that we ran. And in that, I was right; he's not the best fit for that.

But I think that hero ball era is probably over now in KC, and that's likely a good thing overall as we saw that it's not consistently sustainable.

Now, if Brown wants to be the highest paid LT, then hell no, we trade him on the tag for what we can get and we sign a stop-gap capable of playing if needed and we draft a LT along with the other stuff. Three first round picks!

yeesh. I'd really rather not.

But if it's more in line with a tad above Ronnie Staley's deal then I would think Veach is already prepared for that, and it'll be fine.

If our plan is to run the ball a little more, that's a good thing and plays to our current strengths with Brown and the rest of the OL. Getting the ball out quicker would be wise with the AFC loading up on pass rushers. A little good old fashioned play-action here and there. A more conventional, spread the ball around offense could end up being more deadly than the '**** it, Tyreek down there somewhere' hero ball thing.

I don't think I would at 29/30, but I'd certainly take a raw but athletically gifted project later with the idea that you could coach him up into a starter level player. If you hit on a Bakhtiari in the 4th round, then you can flip Brown to like...The Titans where he'd be a perfect fit for a first rounder in 2023 or '24.

Of course, that's not likely, which is why you pay Brown in the first place.

That number cannot be right.

They projected Cam Robinson to get not even HALF of what they projected Brown. Terron Armstead didn't even come CLOSE to 6/145.

I think this is a case of the talking heads being overzealous. I'm not going to worry about it until it actually happens.

If you move a guard to tackle, he's going to demand LT money. That's just the nature of the game.

A top five LT? Really? He has problems with speed rushers, and is really more of a RT. Chiefs had to trade for him, and at this point have few options other than to pay him, but that kind of money for a guy who honestly isn't better than Fisher was at his peak is crazy.

Fisher wasn't better at all. You have no idea what you are looking at if you think that.

Orlando Brown gonna get paid. By the Chiefs.

Stock up on lube, pussies.

Sorry, but you are totally wrong.

I am much happier facing the Chiefs with Brown at LT, especially if the Chiefs are paying him north of $20MM/yr, than Fisher at LT. Brown is perhaps a better run blocker, but Fisher was the superior pass protector.

I voted yes because hard to find an elite LT but he is't quite elite hoping he can be though. If we were more of a run team I'd say hell yeah but his foot work in pass blocking is atrocious and that's where we miss Eric Fisher. Eric Fisher wasn't as big but had great foot work that made him a better pass blocker.


It be nice not to have to worry about finding a LTotf.

Would it be cheaper now to make a deal like this than wait till after the season and how he does and success of the team makes his stock go up? Then we would have to either really open the pocket book or let him walk or Franchise him again and players hate getting tagged again.

I think that is a variance question. If he kicks ass but not sign the deal it could cost a lot or he could go to different team. Or he may suck and not improve as a pass blocker and that't his biggest knock what's the point of paying him all that money if he always needs help with pass rushers?

That's pretty ridiculous. He got better by the end of the year but this is the kind of deal he would get after next season if he proves that that version of him is the version we'll get in the future.

Mine would be to hire some average Joe RT and give him an IV of Jolt Cola and turn him loose!!

I find it interesting that CP is basically the only place on the interwebs worrying about OBJ.

The rest of the NFL world knows he's going to get paid and they know why.

Sorry, Fisher was an all around better LT. With Brown, you're banking that he can develop into something better than what Fish was. But before Fish got injured, he was the better LT of the two IMO.

Actually imo Fisher was the much better pass blocker but Orlando can crush defenders in the run game so he is the better run blocker. However in this offense is a pass offense Andy loves to pass but would never pass up a second helping of ribs so to me it's like Brown is only worth it if they think he can improve his pass blocking and work his feet.

I get why they traded for Brown It's hard to find that gem in the draft when you pick late each round the good ones are taken early. So I think we are just going be stuck with Brown and hope he improves his pass blocking because if he gets paid top 5 LT money or better he shouldn't need help from the running backs or Tight Ends to block pass rushers.

I do like Orlando Brown because he is big and a mauler but that is good for the run game. We pass on first second and third down.

I guess were pretending that fish didnt get his shit pushed in by power rushers for 2/3 of his career.

Tackle has always been a premium position and even more so lately. If you want quality on the end of the line, you are going to pay for it. Maybe even overpay for it.

Slightly above average would indicate he’s easily replaceable.