You could say the same shit about any place. A place you move to is what you make of it and plenty of young out-of-staters like me chose to live here for numerous reasons. I personally find the desert landscape and low landscape upkeep appealing. We bought in the West Valley, Litchfield Park, which is one of the better school districts in the valley. I grew up in bum**** Montana with a class size of about 30 kids per grade, K-12. You can imagine not a lot of draw for good teachers. I really didn't have homework until I went to college. I still turned out ok.

Lived in the Phoenix area for two years from 2010-2012. Major thing to note:

--You will miss green and water, no matter how much you think you won't.
--Zoning in Phoenix is horrible. Bad areas/farms next to strip clubs next to expensive neighborhoods.
--Plenty of stuff to do outdoors in the winter
--For suburbs, probably stick to the east half of the city. I lived out west in Glendale/Peoria. Not bad, but had a better time in Mesa/Tempe out east.
--Traversing the entire city can take hours if you move to one extreme side.
--If you can afford Scottsdale, live there.
--There is good nightlife in Phoenix, but not much culture.

I'm sure I could think of more. Hope you like dust too.

I love you no matter what.

Follow up to my previous post. Not sure if you live in KC now or have lived away from KC, but you will miss the sports teams if you have not lived outside KC in awhile.

Just being able to turn on a Royals or Chiefs game and then listen to sports radio the next day is something you take for granted. Even though I could watch the games on the Internet (thanks grandllama or whoever you were), I still feel like I was missing out. This was my first time living outside KC though, so you may have already experienced that.

Interesting. Its like that alot in Texas too.
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Totally this

I live in Gilbert and have for many years. It's my second tour in the Phoenix area. My wife and I love it here. The weather is awesome(yeah it sucks July-August but where does it not? Oh yeah, Southern California only a few hours drive away for monthly long weekends), the state is beautiful outside of metro Phx, and there is always plenty to do. Yeah the schools mostly suck but there are exceptions. I would suggest the east valley. Personally I think Scottsdale is totally overrated. Scorpions are not that big of a deal but you can PM me and I will tell you how to find a scorpion free property. Come on out, we can use some more Chiefs and Royals fans out here!

Another thing to add is while you have access to many sporting events here with 4 Major teams, Pac 12 athletics and spring/fall league baseball, the atmosphere is less than ideal since transplants like me like every team around the nation and the home town teams suffer.

xoxo

Oh yeah speaking of things to add: your a 4.5 hour drive to Las Vegas! If that doesn't seal the deal then gtfo anyway!

This. This plays a part in us moving back. I always come back to see family and for a Chiefs game once a year but it's not the same. I still never miss a game as I have NFL Sunday Ticket but I just miss it overall, not just my sports teams or being able to go see my teams play live whenever I want.

Sports is something to consider if sports is apart of your lifestyle. Arizona is a terrible sports state. It's nothing like back in Kansas or Missouri. There is no legit, consistent, loyal support for any team, pro or college, in Arizona. U of A fan base is ok, but they don't care as much as all the colleges back in said states. As far as the Cardinals fans here? Lol I see their fans all the time wearing Fitz jerseys but having on a Cowboys, Steelers, Pats and now the newest...Broncos hats or gear. No joke, there's no support for them. I don't care though as I'm a born and raised from KC diehard Chiefs fan but it's just different. For instance, a couple guys I work with that have season tickets to the Cardinals games told me just last week that depending on how the Cardinals are doing they'll let me have their tickets for free when the Chiefs come to town on December 7th. I don't get it but cool with me lol.

I wonder how old this dingleberry is?

I've got a buddy who I visit out there and have taken that drive to Vegas many times. We will probably look at renting for a year or so before we buy something. He tells me to live in the Gilbert Chandler area.

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Just going to the grocery store and seeing a chiefs hat or royals jersey is something you never notice until you move away. Just the idea that other people around you are rooting for the same thing and you have something to talk about with them. Heck, I almost missed Mizzou fans after a few years.