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Installing a passenger side mirror?
some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...
I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me... how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part? |
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1 hour service work.
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45 min- 1 hour?
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Hour or less I would think.
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what I'm trying to say is...I'm on tap for about $100 of work tomorrow and with that I don't expect to pay more than $20 for them to install the mirror...is that reasonable? If they want to charge me more I already have a friend who said he'd do it free of charge but I rather not use his time if I can just pay $20 or so when I'm already taking my car in tomorrow as is
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when they are already working on the car as it is? my friend said he'd do it for free I suppose I'll just go that route...it can't be much work whatsoever...it needs to be plugged in and bolted down...that shouldn't take someone with the necessary tools/knows what they are doing more than 10 minutes |
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I'm not going to ask them to do it for $20 if that is an insult. I have the part, I've already spent $105 on that...I would rather not waste my friend's time at his work to do me a favor so tomorrow when I'm getting some minor work done was going to have them do it as long as it didn't cost much more than $20. if it costs $50+ for labor on something that shouldn't take more than 10 minutes then forget it |
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one who sucks the penis dealerships will try to charge $15-20 to replace a bulb. Several oil changes ago: Them: Oops. You have a tail light out. Did you know? Me: Nope. Go ahead and throw that on while you're changing the oil. Them: Cool. Me: Any additional charge for that, beyond cost of the light of course? Them: $15. Me: Laughter. Yeah, no. |
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I'd understand them not wasting their time to do something for $20 but since they are already doing some basic work I figure adding $20 on top for them to just install a part I purchased separately isn't an offensive offer by any means |
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what's the process? It looks like I'll juts need to plug it in and then bolt it down or something I'm pretty ignorant with this stuff. |
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maybe I'll have my roommate give me a hand...he's pretty handy with this stuff
sick of driving around with a busted mirror |
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the back of the mirror was totally busted off and the glass was broken somewhat...so I taped it to avoid getting pulled over (even though it isn't illegal in Illinois to drive without a passenger side mirror)...but it looks trashy and it is useless since the 'heated' element doesn't work anymore. I found the exact mirror to the color on Ebay and offered $95 and the dude accepted the offer and I got in the mail Saturday. |
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You're a sick bastard! My co-worker youtubes the make/model/problem on all his cars and gets it figured out pretty easily. He even trained himself to splice fiber this way. Youtube and see if it's an easy fix. |
Most likely the whole door panel gets removed.
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You pretty much are a dipshit. The same thing happened to my car and it literally was a 5 minute, 3 screw job and I am by no means a mechanic.
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First things' first, bringing a part in will not earn you a discount. In fact, it is almost insulting to every business out there, and a good majority of them WILL NOT install "your" part for a number of reasons, but make no mistake about it, the largest reason they will not, is because they cannot mark the price up. The next biggest reason is because the manufacturer of that part probably doesn't adhere to the same quality standards that the repair facility (usually dealerships in this case) will stamp their warranty work on. As most places will have a general warranty coverage on all work done, we're not going to warranty a used part, and we certainly aren't going to warranty a cheap reproduction or reman part from an inferior quality supplier and add our warrant to it. Also, since we aren't making a single CENT off of your mirror, we won't be obliged to discount the time it takes to put your mirror on. Most places, as it turns out, are going to charge you a MINIMUM 1 hour labor to do ANYTHING on a car, short of a flat rate service (Oil Change, Brakes, Exhaust, etc.) Depending on where you live, that labor hour could be anywhere from 50 dollars in labor (BFE midwest) to 95 dollars an hour (KC metro stealership) Quote:
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First, you sound like a cheap ass. You sound like the individual who will fight me (the mechanic or manager) tooth and nail for your business because you don't want to pay what I'll charge everyone else, because you can't afford it. I'll try to fight for your business to a degree, and you'll try to drag me to that point and then go further. I will have a line I won't do the work for, and you're likely going to get me to that line, or just above it. Once we've established that, I'm not cutting you a discount on ANYTHING ever again. Second, 100 dollars is NOTHING in the automotive repair business. Generally speaking, that's about 1.5 hours of labor or just a little under at most "mom and pop" shops. I don't even think I can go anywhere in the KC metro and get all 8 of my plugs changed in my mustang for 100 bucks. I'm not sure what your service is, but I've written tickets for an Oil Change and Air Filter for nearly as much as you're spending, and those are 15 minutes In and Out all day long. I realize 100 dollars is something to you, but understand that 100 dollars is NOTHING for a business that needs to earn it. What you don't understand is that labor hour generally goes to paying a huge portion of the business, as a lot of the parts barely have any true "room" to make up that kind of "markup". Say I sell you a distributor for $250 dollars, chances are I picked that distributor up for about $210-220, but I'm probably going to charge you an hour to put that on, 16-24 of that is going to my mechanic to put it on, he's only going to take about 20 minutes to do it, and the 40-50ish remaining goes back to the shop. In most medium sized repair facilities, I'm going to have to have about 5 of YOU a day, to pay for my business all said and done. So to answer, no, you aren't being reasonable. Quote:
Just because something takes 7 minutes and 24 minutes to install for the trained professional, does not mean I should be charging you 7 minutes and 24 minutes of my labor hour. You didn't pay for his training, you don't pay for the facility, you don't pay for the advertising, you certainly don't pay for overhead at all, yet, you think you should only be charged for the time it took to repair? When it comes to repair of ANY KIND, you're paying for the service, not the time. If the service calls for 3.5 hours, you'll get charged 3.5 hours. But, should your trusted repair facility employ some very knowledgeable, very fast mechanics who can get the job done in 1.7 hours, you aren't going to pay less because they are that much better and efficient. You'll just get your car back that much sooner and be on your way to the life of whatever it is you do, that much quicker. If repair facilities charged you for the actual time it took them, they would be out of business, or............you'd see labor hours doubling or tripling the current labor hours, just to get back to the same "profits" they have right now, but you'd see a new breed of mechanics that are rushed and more mistake prone. You don't wan that, wise up. Quote:
I'm guessing that your car is a shitbox based on the aforementioned repair costs, that, or you are getting preventative maintenance done. But I'll give you an idea of a real life scenario. A friend of mine had his mothers' car come into MY business to get a tune up and to replace her sway bar. After all was said and done, I think we knocked the car out in like 2 hours, but HE (the friend) also brought in a mirror to have it replaced at the last second. He asked me for a quote and gave me the number to call her to get the go ahead on the purchase. I quoted her in the neighborhood of 115 dollars to remove and replace the mirror. Do you know why? The labor hour came out to about 1.5 hours, I had to remove the door panel (wasn't easy, required special tools that I had to buy because this is the business I am in), and re-pin (I did this for free) the connector to her heated mirrors. Therein lies the issue in some cases. Newer cars cost more to fix. She was driving a 2011 fully loaded Acura TSX, this thing had Heated, Power Mirrors, Power door locks, everything, which is more shit for me to remove and/or **** up when I take her door panel off. The connector in this case was broken, and I had to remove the connector (depin) and fix it (repin to the new one), I charge $125 dollars a labor hour for electrical work and/or invasive work. I did it for free because he brought me a ton of business my way. Still, it cost her $115 to replace it. Do you know what other places had quoted her? $400+ Dollars for 1.5 hours labor + 1 hour electrical/diagnostic Yet you want that shit done for 20 dollars or "**** it, I'll do it myself" $20 isn't shit anymore kid, I wipe my ass with 20's. Quote:
They'd certainly give you a labor discount had you bought their part or allowed them to source one for you, granted it would be marked up a bit, but you'd likely have paid significantly less on the labor. Quote:
My mustang would take some time, but my 92 civic? 3 minutes flat. |
There shouldn't be much to it. I'm not familiar with your vehicle, but there should be one screw on the inside door panel you can remove behind the mirror. Take that off and there should be three studs that protrude from the mirror that fit through three holes on the door. Just tighten the three nuts, replace the plate that covers them, and you're done.
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Did you have to get off of your high horse when you changed your mirror or were you able to do everything while still in the saddle? |
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Point is that it isn't complicated if you're willing to take the time. Now my turn to ask a question. When you pretend you're some internet superhero do you wear tights and turn on a bat light to heighten the experience? Or do you just close your eyes and wing it? |
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I did just finish watching some stupid chick flick called The Lucky One with my wife, so maybe my estrogen level is up. Won't happen again. |
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No harm, just some playful nudging. |
So I guess I can't take this 1 1/2 thick t-bone that I picked up at the store to Outback and order a baked potato and have them throw this on the grill since it's warmed up anyway???
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However, like I stated earlier, every car is different. The more options you have, the newer the car, the more intricate it is going to be. Not to mention the higher the quality of the product nowadays. Cars are being put together with much better quality and precision these days, and with that, repair requires precision. With precision, comes precision tools, etc. If you own a 2012 BMW M3 , are you going to take your flathead to your door panel in the attempt to fix your car? Or are you going to fork out the cash because you can afford the repair, and let someone trained to repair it, do their job? Its a different world in a 1992 honda civic Quote:
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dude I could barely even make it through half of that long ass post
first thing; my car is a 2002 Audi that has 211,000 miles on it...I don't give a ****ing shit about this car. It runs really well, it was free; that's it. Secondly...I never haggle on price. I don't even care. I was told by one of my friends who manages the junkyard that this would take him 2 minutes to do and he'd do it for free. I figured if it was that ****ing easy, and I was taking my car in perhaps the place wouldn't mind if I gave them $20 to do something that was that simple so I didn't have to waste his time...I made this thread so I could make sure that wasn't an offensive offer. Apparently it would have been. So awesome! I am glad I made this thread so I can save myself that embarrassment. and I understand $100 is nothing to this place...I get that. Every time I get a ****ing oil change in this car it costs $150 because of the synthetic oil it takes... every time I fill up gas I have to pay for ****ing premium gas...it pisses me off. I forget what happened to this car 6 months ago but I took it to the Audi dealership and they had to replaced two plugs of some sort and it was $1400. Honestly...it was just a ****ing question. I went to the doctor for my knee the other day and, while I do have insurance, I'm sure that 10 minute appointment if I was uninsured would have cost $1500. That's the going rate I guess. So congrats dude...I'm sorry that you were offended that I wanted to pay $20 for a 5 minute job. I didn't mean to upset you. |
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LMAO God forbid I thought someone might do a simple favor...I forgot. honestly, it was only a question I'm not going to pay $100 for someone to install a side mirror for me...I'll save my $20. My ****ing Christ some of you are just angry people. from what I've google'd since I made this thread, it'll take me probably about 15 minutes to do it myself. So whatever. I apologize to everyone for wasting your precious evenings. |
and I wouldn't have gone out of my way to buy my own mirror if I was planning on paying significant money for repair...
I'll just go down to little Mexico and give a Mexican $20 to do it and probably do it faster and better than your "professional" lackeys, exoter. I bet he won't complain as much as you, either. And if he does I won't understand him so that's ok with me. |
my friend got rear ended and some mexican was like 'amigo I'll take care of that for $150'...and he was like 'bro I only got $75'...
boom, done. Mexican workers > American workers less entitled, better workers, less complaints I don't know what I'd do without 1-800-callamexican |
I'm just glad I found this thread before I made a fool out of myself at Outback.
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I don't think I've ever removed a door panel and put it back on with every fastener it came off with. Worst one I ever did was on a 98 Camry, something with that damn door lock had me hung up for ****ing ever. There's not much on a car that I dread more than pulling one of those things.
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Someone became a man tonight. |
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Yep, no licenses to pay for, no insurance, bonding, liability, never had to pay for any training or certification, probably works out of his garage... I'm sure he does charge pieces of shit like you and your friend a lot less than a real business would. |
Working for tips changes the mindset. From the rest the business world, somewhat.
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Take your $20 and give it to the guy who said he'd do it for free. Then watch and maybe you'll learn something for the next time you have to do something simple.
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Dude I'm sure you just pop the plastic off the inside, unscrew the mirror, detach the wiring harness, and repeat in reverse. 10 minutes for even a ding dong. Just go outside with a screwdriver and try it.
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so I'm a piece of shit because I can hire a Mexican to CHANGE A SIDE MIRROR for a reasonable price for such a simple job of $20 instead of paying a CERTIFIED, INSURANCE PAYING MECHANIC $150 to work for 5 minutes on my car while I wait in line for an hour and a half? hm...sounds like I'm smart to me besides, I like shooting the shit with the Mexicans anyways...they always crack me up |
That was your mirror that I punched and pissed on?
asshole drives an Audi and wants to piss and moan about a $100 bill. Clowndick |
Here is one piece of advice that everyone should learn: You never know what you can get unless you ask.
Say to the guy at the shop "hey man, my mirror got knocked off, and I bought the replacement. A friend told me I can replace it myself in about five minutes, but I'd rather not jack with it. Is this something you guys could do for like $20 bucks, or would you have to charge out a full hour of shop time and the whole bit? Either way is cool, but if it's an easy $20 for you and saves me from having to get out my tools, win/win." What's the worst that's going to happen? I don't think he's going to go upside your head with a wrench or anything. Some people in this thread are WAY too far up their own asses. |
I just replaced the passenger side mirror. Part was $35 off Amazon, took about ten minutes to pop the door panel, another five to screw off the old mirror and put the new one on, and another ten to put the door panel back on.
It ain't that hard folks. And I'm sure that someone has a video on YouTube doing this exact same thing for the model of car you have. |
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Is it confirm that this is "Hootie" resurrected? LMAO |
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http://www.amazon.com/No-Scratch-Too...xgy_auto_img_z http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41esWBSt27L.jpg Also Google so you can find where the clips are. The linkages to the door handles are usually the toughest for me though some of the wiring harness jacks can be a bitch to get apart. The worst used to be the clips on the window crank. It's pretty rare to find those now thankfully. |
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Professionals get paid what they do for a reason. Part of that is liability and risk. |
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Second, my long ass post is going to enlighten you on how business works in America, try reading it over and over again until it sinks in. Quote:
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They do the job because 90% of that money is going back to Mexico with their family, they aren't insured, there is no warranty, and you're taking money and jobs from the qualified american public. Enjoy your mexijob. Quote:
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Which is something many haven't thought about, every time a mechanic touches the car, that costs me money as an owner, unless those mechanics are under salary, and in a lot of small time mom and pop shops, they aren't under salary. Quote:
If that shop got nothing but customers like you, he'd be out of business, I promise you. Take it from someone who has been in the small time mom and pop shop business. Quote:
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Bingo, if you ask nicely and don't ASSUME anything, you'd be surprised what could happen. Quote:
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I love that kind of labor. I get to go back to a house I did a bid on that decided to go cheap, fix all of the ****ups that occured, and charge a lot more. There is nothing like receiving a "I told you so" check. |
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There was a tool that made getting the crank clips off easy. It was getting them back on without them shooting across the room that was tricky. |
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They are mostly gone but my son's Prizm has manual windows and so did the Sidekick I had a couple of years ago. I wish manufacturers would reinforce the fiberboard around the clips on the door panels. You have a better chance of breaking the fiberboard than a clip if you have a problem. :banghead: |
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This is the OP. Nowhere in this entire thread did I ever DEMAND someone to fix my mirror for $20. I made this thread to figure out what the etiquette was at a body shop. As for hiring Mexican's to do cheap labor on my car... It's a ****ing side mirror. It's not the god damn engine. The car is 10 years old with 211,000 miles on it...I was in Dallas last year and it hailed softball size hail and left, presumably, thousands of dollars in hail damage (liability only, wish I had full coverage so I could've cashed in on that insurance check when they inevitably would have totalled out my car)... do you really think I give a god damn **** if a Mexican has a screw driver slip when he's installing the mirror? I mean, you guys are acting like I need a new transmission. I'm getting a side mirror put on...my ****ing God. I didn't ask for any life lessons about how 'mom and pop' body shops have to jack up the prices to stay in business...I don't give a ****. I really don't. When something goes wrong with the car that makes me think 'oh shit', I take it to the Audi dealership and pay 40 billion dollars to get everything fixed...it was a free car, but I knew it was going to cost me an arm and a leg every time something broke down since it's an Audi... but a side mirror? Christ. I'm sorry that these Mexican side mirror installers who charge realistic amounts of $ for work take your jerbs... it's not my fault they are reasonable and not ****ing crooks... I am willing to pay $20 for this side mirror install...I'm not even going to bother asking this shop what they will charge for it after this thread. I will simply do it myself, get help from my roommate, take it to my friend's junkyard and have him do it like he said he would, or hire a damn mexican. $20 is the going rate for this simple job. I'll jab a screwdriver into the paint once the Mexican is done doing it to make everyone feel better as well. |
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I'm lazy and refuse to do any sort of manual labor. My hands are far too nice to break a nail doing something like that... Mexican labor is great for these instances...they charge fair price, they don't need entitlement money like 'the overworked' working American man!!! "oh that 5 minute side mirror job!? That'll cost an hour of labor + shop time + you didn't buy the part here which is a 50% cost penalty plus a 1 time surcharge of $93.95" !!!! Kobe! |
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Hell, I just spent over $7k on free extras for a customer on a building project, but he was one of the nicest owners I've ever dealt with, and we did well on the project. So he got some free sidewalk, sod, and some other things done. |
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I started the thread just wondering what it would cost... and then I was hoping since I already had an appointment I could just throw them an extra $20 and see if they could do something that simple for me (since I had the mirror) not knowing this was a HUGE breach of etiquette because they can't triple mark up the price on the mirror I bought on ebay... I then proceeded to get numerous life lessons and then called a piece of shit... all because I researched pricing, bought the mirror when I luckily found an exact match on ebay, and then was told by a friend who manages our local junkyard that it is a 5 minute job so I'm sorry I did my homework rather than going to a dealership/body shop and then getting raped in the asshole by crooks who want to buy the part for you so they can mark up the price 200% and then charge you for an hour of labor on a job that takes 5 minutes MY FAULT EVERYONE...RAPE IS GOOOD |
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"I'm going to get some work done on my car tomorrow and I also have a side mirror sitting in my backseat and I expect them to replace my broken one with the new one I bought and I expect them to do it for $20." please, show me this quote |
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