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Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889073)
Does it ever mention he used company email vs personnel?

Also they claim some were sent to Mark Davis. How does he not catch heat for not doing anything until they were exposed?

I was hearing on the radio that it was apart of the NYT investigation and they had over 600K e-mails, so I think it was ESPN.

And I agree, Mark Davis should be catching flack. They ignored the Rooney Rule (which I mentioned before) and didn't vet Gruden.

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15889080)
Any time I've ever been fired, the assholes had me bust my ass all day before they broke the news. Plumbing company owners are the Chiefs D of bosses

Looking out for you. Don’t want you to get short changed on your last check before you went unemployed.

R8RFAN 10-11-2021 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15889085)
I was hearing on the radio that it was apart of the NYT investigation and they had over 600K e-mails, so I think it was ESPN.

And I agree, Mark Davis should be catching flack. They ignored the Rooney Rule (which I mentioned before) and didn't vet Gruden.

that was Daniel Snyder you nutsack

ping2000 10-11-2021 08:04 PM

Will this impact the new "Chucky" series?

Titty Meat 10-11-2021 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15889080)
Any time I've ever been fired, the assholes had me bust my ass all day before they broke the news. Plumbing company owners are the Chiefs D of bosses

It's a reference from "Friday"

https://youtu.be/FqM2BpYwtfM

Sassy Squatch 10-11-2021 08:05 PM

Gruden sent them to Bruce Allens work email, not from his own.

Bump 10-11-2021 08:06 PM

lmao. Commenting on the size of someones lips, which of course got turned into racism, caused him to resign. Funny stuff.

jjchieffan 10-11-2021 08:07 PM

I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 15889093)
lmao. Commenting on the size of someones lips, which of course got turned into racism, caused him to resign. Funny stuff.

You are about 20 emails behind.

0372 10-11-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15889059)
NFL planned to leak more emails until he was gone. Just how spicy was Gruden getting in those emails??? LMAO





The New York Times reported:

When the vaunted N.F.L. coach Jon Gruden was confronted with a racist email he had sent in 2011 to insult the head of the players’ union, he said he went too far but didn’t have “a blade of racism” in him.

But league officials as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him have found that Gruden, now the coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes.

Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football,” the sports network’s weekly prime-time telecast of N.F.L. games. In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “bundle of sticks” and a “clueless anti football pussy” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.

Gruden also criticized President Obama during his re-election campaign in 2012, as well as then-vice president Joe Biden, whom Gruden called a “nervous clueless pussy.” He used similar words to describe Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the N.F.L. Players Association.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking News: The NFL coach Jon Gruden used misogynistic and homophobic language for years, a review of his emails shows. He denounced the emergence of women referees, the drafting of a gay player and the tolerance of protests during the national anthem. <a href="https://t.co/F3QpqV9yZS">https://t.co/F3QpqV9yZS</a></p>&mdash; The New York Times (@nytimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1447714413608374278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

Recent emails were from 2018. Sent to Mark Davis calling Goodell a bundle of sticks.

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 15889093)
lmao. Commenting on the size of someones lips, which of course got turned into racism, caused him to resign. Funny stuff.

You clearly aren’t updated on the situation.

MAG 10-11-2021 08:08 PM

Based Gruden.

Baby Lee 10-11-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 15889082)
What in the blue **** are you talking about you ****ing weirdo sperg

In the midst of a supposed high-minded conversation on social decency, 'ol Busby simultaneously demonstrates his lack of brainpower AND his own bigoted tendencies.

FlaChief58 10-11-2021 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15889090)
It's a reference from "Friday"

https://youtu.be/FqM2BpYwtfM

Ahh, I've heard of the movie, but never watched it

FlaChief58 10-11-2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889087)
Looking out for you. Don’t want you to get short changed on your last check before you went unemployed.

Exactly LMAO

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-11-2021 08:10 PM

Bet Grudens livin it up on the town tonight. Won't have to go to work tomorrow.

Coochie liquor 10-11-2021 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889063)
Why you gotta make me like you a little?

This is where I’m at. Usually after around week 4-5 every season he becomes a lot more likable. :toast::toast:

srvy 10-11-2021 08:12 PM

Well in his second go-round with the faid he will always have the ring around Arrowhead in a bus. Now just a bus ride out of Vegas.

Coochie liquor 10-11-2021 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15889103)
Ahh, I've heard of the movie, but never watched it

Wait.... what?? I don’t think I’ve ever met someone who hasn’t seen Friday!??!!??

dirk digler 10-11-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

Nonsense. You can't be a leader of an NFL team by spouting this stuff. It wasn't like he was a kid he was a 48 yr old man.

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 15889109)
Bet Grudens livin it up on the town tonight. Won't have to go to work tomorrow.

That dudes entire reputation got nuked in a matter of days. His life.

He was well loved around the NFL media types and now is a pariah.

It’s a massive fall really and he wasn’t THAT unlikable even if he was overrated as a coach.

DJ's left nut 10-11-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 15888960)
This part is pretty baffling. I’m guessing this kind of banter is pretty typical out on the practice field, but using your work email to do it is just crazy.

It wasn't actually his work email - it was Bruce Allen's work email. It was Gruden's personal email.

And hey - who hasn't called people queers and bundle of sticks in an email?

Oh wait. Most normal human beings haven't.

Bottom line is that this will have absolutely impacted his ability to lead a locker room. And he has nobody to blame but himself. There's a MASSIVE difference between locker room banter and what you take the time to sit down and write in a !@#$ing email.

I'm disappointed the Raiders are going to be able to get out from under this clown. But ultimately, dude earned it. Was it bad luck that it became public? Sure it was - but my rules on emails are 100% easy to follow: Do not write ANYTHING you wouldn't want to explain in a deposition.

And as the public face of a billion dollar franchise, who was previously the public face of a billion dollar media organization but only AFTER being the public face of ANOTHER billion dollar franchise...the guy absolutely has to know better than that.

He's an idiot and he brought it upon himself.

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15889129)
Nonsense. You can't be a leader of an NFL team by spouting this stuff. It wasn't like he was a kid he was a 48 yr old man.

On top of that, imagine the PR backlash the Raiders would get if they kept him after this.

FlaChief58 10-11-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15889127)
Wait.... what?? I don’t think I’ve ever met someone who hasn’t seen Friday!??!!??

Hi :)

The Franchise 10-11-2021 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

Imagine that.

crazycoffey 10-11-2021 08:16 PM

Bring him in for a look? Too soon?

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15889137)
Imagine that.

The internet and e-mail only goes back to 2019!

Coach 10-11-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

If it was a one time off the wall situation and no other evidence shows that this was a on-going issue, your point would work.

Unfortunately, it appears that this isn't a one-time situation that occurred on Gruden.

Bump 10-11-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889095)
You are about 20 emails behind.

oh there was more? Thought it was just the lips lol.

BryanBusby 10-11-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15889101)
In the midst of a supposed high-minded conversation on social decency, 'ol Busby simultaneously demonstrates his lack of brainpower AND his own bigoted tendencies.

It was a sarcasm post you dumb ****.

Go back to DC, you worthless pile of posts.

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15889140)
The internet and e-mail only goes back to 2019!

Statue of limititizations man! Everyone knows that shit!

FlaChief58 10-11-2021 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889131)
That dudes entire reputation got nuked in a matter of days. His life.

He was well loved around the NFL media types and now is a pariah.

It’s a massive fall really and he wasn’t THAT unlikable even if he was overrated as a coach.

I'm guessing the piles of cash he has will ease the pain some. Sure his rep is shot, but HBF

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889146)
Statue of limititizations man! Everyone knows that shit!

I was making fun of jj's previous comments regarding another topic. ;)

smithandrew051 10-11-2021 08:18 PM

Urban Meyer is a big Jon Gruden fan right about now

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 15889147)
I'm guessing the piles of cash he has will ease the pain some. Sure his rep is shot, but HBF

Sure but $ does not = happiness.

But being unhappy with $ beats being unhappy without it.

Bump 10-11-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15889098)
You clearly aren’t updated on the situation.

no, I wasn't.

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:19 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jon Gruden statement: “I have resigned as Head Coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. I love the Raiders and do not want to be a distraction. Thank you to all the players, coaches, staff, and fans of Raider Nation. I’m sorry, I never meant to hurt anyone.”</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1447742101693898753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AKA: I didn't give a shit until someone leaked my e-mails to the media.

RollChiefsRoll 10-11-2021 08:20 PM

Holy shit.

Fish 10-11-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

This wasn't exactly 6000 years ago.

Marcellus 10-11-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15889150)
I was making fun of jj's previous comments regarding another topic. ;)

Well I hope my being facetious was obvious. (Wrong words and all)

Jewish Rabbi 10-11-2021 08:21 PM

I don’t know if he’s ever going to put on that headset again.

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 15889162)
Well I hope my being facetious was obvious. (Wrong words and all)

I thought it was, just wanted to make sure you were reading what I posted correctly and I was interpreting your post the same way. :)

jd1020 10-11-2021 08:23 PM

That Frank Caliendo guy might get some new material out of this.

stevieray 10-11-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15889156)

AKA: I didn't give a shit until someone leaked my e-mails to the media.

AKA: I've got enough bank....well...BYE.

Smart move.

Rain Man 10-11-2021 08:23 PM

I hope Mark Davis takes over as head coach for the rest of the season. It would be fun to see the plays that he designs.

mr. tegu 10-11-2021 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 15888970)
Nah he resigned, probably given a choice to resign and not get paid or fired for some kind of contract detrimental to the team clause in the contract and not get paid.

Gruden said if he could not get the job done he would not take the money. Gruden supposedly said some homophobic shit as well and some sexist shit too.

Whatever, life goes on for me and Good Luck to Chucky... Maybe we can get a certain offensive coordinator that wears some ketchup and mustard gear right now.


Please take him.

KC_Connection 10-11-2021 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15889165)
I don’t know if he’s ever going to put on that headset again.

And there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos.

BryanBusby 10-11-2021 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15889175)
That Frank Caliendo guy might get some new material out of this.

The guy that played Kramer has been out of work for awhile.

displacedinMN 10-11-2021 08:26 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer after seeing all the attention go to Jon Gruden <a href="https://t.co/rNGyenJLvv">pic.twitter.com/rNGyenJLvv</a></p>&mdash; Football Is Life (@FootbaIl_Tweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/FootbaIl_Tweets/status/1447733156749135875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Coach 10-11-2021 08:28 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/3SHJabWIE1">https://t.co/3SHJabWIE1</a> <a href="https://t.co/rdWVKFTjYZ">pic.twitter.com/rdWVKFTjYZ</a></p>&mdash; Mary Ruth Suggs (@smugdingus) <a href="https://twitter.com/smugdingus/status/1447734929740161025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-11-2021 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15889184)
And there’s a drive into deep left field by that queer Castellanos.


Fixed

Tribal Warfare 10-11-2021 08:32 PM

Here's Bieniemy's chance to get a NFL HC gig

FloridaMan88 10-11-2021 08:32 PM

Has it been reported yet how these 10 year old e-mails have been discovered and made public?

Baby Lee 10-11-2021 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15889205)
Has it been reported yet how these 10 year old e-mails have been discovered and made public?

Well, you see. . . This one dude was in a tight campaign to continue heading up the NFLPA . . .

ClevelandBronco 10-11-2021 08:35 PM

I’d say that Gruden was dead right about Goodell.

Rams Fan 10-11-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15889209)
Well, you see. . . This one dude was in a tight campaign to continue heading up the NFLPA . . .

Why is the hill of someone being an asshat something you're willing to die on when someone is probably rightfully facing termination from a private employer due to comments that were made by said individual?

Sassy Squatch 10-11-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15889205)
Has it been reported yet how these 10 year old e-mails have been discovered and made public?

Yes.

Coach 10-11-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15889205)
Has it been reported yet how these 10 year old e-mails have been discovered and made public?

Likely the FBI who raided WFT football facility for an separate issue.

mlyonsd 10-11-2021 08:38 PM

Holy shit.

jettio 10-11-2021 08:39 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/37SrQdIqKiU" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

mr. tegu 10-11-2021 08:40 PM

Was he employed by the NFL during any of these emails?

FloridaMan88 10-11-2021 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15889223)
Likely the FBI who raided WFT football facility for an separate issue.

Looks like it was part of the investigation into the Washington workplace culture, supposedly Gruden’s e-mails to Bruce Allen…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Keep this in mind: All the Jon Gruden emails were found during the NFL&#39;s investigation into the workplace misconduct and the toxic culture of the Washington Football Team.<br><br>Meanwhile, we have no written findings into what happened in WSH. There&#39;s *a lot* more here that&#39;s missing.</p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1447745566906126340?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dirk digler 10-11-2021 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15889228)
Was he employed by the NFL during any of these emails?

nope he was employed by ESPN at the time. That is why the NFL probably couldn't do much about it but the Raiders could.

dannybcaitlyn 10-11-2021 08:43 PM

New coach will want his own guys. Kick out Spags for Gus Bradley and demote Heck to asst line coach and bring in Tom cable to run the O-line.

Baby Lee 10-11-2021 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15889218)
Why is the hill of someone being an asshat something you're willing to die on when someone is probably rightfully facing termination from a private employer due to comments that were made by said individual?

This question is too muddled to answer definitively without making a ton of assumption about what you're intending to ask.

But I can say that I'm not dying on any hills here, nor do I intend to. But I am interested in seeing that, if society is going to insist on being driven by emotion, that they also be aware when their emotions are triggered for ulterior gain.

Kiimo 10-11-2021 08:47 PM

There's going to be a lot more from this email dump I promise you.



And the same ten idiots will whine about cancel culture or whatever.

Baby Lee 10-11-2021 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15889233)
nope he was employed by ESPN at the time. That is why the NFL probably couldn't do much about it but the Raiders could.

[airquotes] couldn't [/airquotes]

Easy 6 10-11-2021 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 15889192)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/3SHJabWIE1">https://t.co/3SHJabWIE1</a> <a href="https://t.co/rdWVKFTjYZ">pic.twitter.com/rdWVKFTjYZ</a></p>&mdash; Mary Ruth Suggs (@smugdingus) <a href="https://twitter.com/smugdingus/status/1447734929740161025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ROFL

Garcia Bronco 10-11-2021 08:55 PM

And that's why Tom Brady destroyed his phones.

Jerm 10-11-2021 08:57 PM

Curious to see what other e-mails leak and from who…you know they’re coming…

carcosa 10-11-2021 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

It was only 5,990 years after the earth was created

Bl00dyBizkitz 10-11-2021 08:58 PM

Take Eric Bienemy. Please.

Rain Man 10-11-2021 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 15889267)
Curious to see what other e-mails leak and from who…you know they’re coming…

When they get to the archives of emails from the 1950s, things are going to get ugly.

Kiimo 10-11-2021 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 15889267)
Curious to see what other e-mails leak and from who…you know they’re coming…

Old rich men getting busted from work emails is a time honored tradition. You know NFL head offices were probably even worse than sports news offices.


Imagine using your work email to call someone a bundle of sticks or make racist comments about coworkers. How ****ing stupid do you have to be. Oh but it was ten years ago? It was a different time way back then! Gruden hadn't even grown up yet.

Garcia Bronco 10-11-2021 09:12 PM

For sure...emails are not private...ever

Mama Hip Rockets 10-11-2021 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

You think a team with dozens of Black players and an openly gay player want to keep playing for this douchebag?

stumppy 10-11-2021 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 15889094)
I can't stand Gruden, or the Raiders. But this is just stupid. It was years ago. He was not coaching in the NFL at the time. It should have been just left in the past and forgotten about. The fact that he's had to resign over this is just a sad example of how stupid things have gotten in this country.

ROFL

Kiimo 10-11-2021 09:20 PM

You can't tell me Jerry Jones doesn't use some old timey vaguely racist terms in his work emails, I believe it in my bones. Like calling someone a ragpicker or something lol one of those words you don't even know what they mean but they just feel wrong

Chiefaholic 10-11-2021 09:22 PM

Washington should have hired Hillary's staff to take care of those pesky E-Mails.


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