Cubs acquire Rich Harden
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Cubs Acquire Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin By Tim Dierkes [July 8 at 5:25pm CST] 5:36pm: The Cubs' press release is out. The Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson. Jim Hendry did his best to counter the Brewers' acquisition of CC Sabathia. The A's get three MLB-ready players plus a solid offense-oriented catching prospect Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A's this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he's only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start. Harden has a $7MM club option for '09, which is highly likely to be exercised. |
I wonder what move the Cards will make,Nl Central is getting crazy with pitching talent
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Frazod is going postal when he hears this.
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Cards will finish 3rd.
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Gaudin is also a solid addition as well to their already solid pen. I think even Gaudin could start if needed for them.
Nice counter to Milwaukee's move |
This is a huge deal. The Cubs didn't give up anything of value.
Harden in the NL is murder. |
One concern: Harden is already injury prone. The bad mojo over the years of Prior and Wood may end up killing Rich in some freak accident.
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Remember how the A's got Harden? Mulder for Harden? Worked out great for us the first year. Not so well the rest of the way. |
This is a very good deal for Chicago.
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Figured it would be Burnett or Harden....
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chit I thought this was for Haren. Nevermind.
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I got to see Rich Harden kill the Braves in person, he was lights out. Great pickup by the Cubbies!
I need to make some money so I can fly up to Chicago for the World Series......(maybe I should wake up)LMAO |
Even if Harden does get hurt right away, it's not like the Cubs gave anything up for him...I hope they choke, but great trade imo.
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Yeah, well the Royals are supposedly interested in Matt Holliday. That's right, Matt freakin Holliday.
**** you all and your teams that win. |
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Go Cubs!
I really hope this is their year. |
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As usual. |
i have no positive or negative for the cubs or cards really. i kind of hope milwaukee does it. they have done things the right way from a little guy perspective, loaded up on high quality prospects, good drafting. made a big aggressive move to try to take the next step.
good year for the have-nots with the brewers and the rays maybe poised to make a run. florida is in second place. arizona is in the lower end of the league in payroll and are in first, although their division is awful. |
And with that...
so goes the cardinals hopes for the playoffs... these are AL studs that will rape and pillage their way through NL lineups |
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I like to call it fantasizing actually when it comes to the cubs. |
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Keep in mind that Gaudin is also a very solid ball player. Would make a good long-man or a spot-starter for the Cubs.
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this isn't the NL Central of the last few years where you could just suck the least and make the playoffs |
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Lineup: LF Soriano RF Fukudome 1B Lee 3B Ramirez C Soto 2B DeRosa CF Edmonds/Johnson SS Theriot Bench: Ward Johnson/Edmonds Fontenot Blanco Cedeno Rotation: Zambrano Harden Lilly Dempster Marquis Bullpen: Gaudin Lieber Wuertz Marmol Wood Howry Eyre This team has alot of solid players in almost all positions, with a solid 1-3 rotation starters, and a very strong bullpen, especially at Marmol and Wood. |
Wow, Cubs gave up a lot for a pitcher that can't stay healthy.
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Also, Harden will be under the Cubs control after the end of this season, since the Cubs have a 2009 $7 million club option.
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and don't underestimate the importance of gaudin in the deal.... the cubs are huge winners in this one imo |
That was fast.
I hate to lose Gallagher, I wish Murton nothing but the best and I'm glad he's in the league he's better-suited for, E-Pat never had a chance in Chicago, and Donaldson could be a really good player at some point. But Harden and Gaudin are awesome additions, and well worth the trade pieces. God knows Beane isn't going to get snookered, but it looks like a win-win deal at this point. Quote:
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Cubs didn't give up shit except for a possible solid starter
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Murton, 26, is hitting .250/.286/.300 with no home runs and a .198 EqA in 19 games. At Iowa this season, he batted .298/.397/.382 with one homer and a translated .243 EqA in 54 games. Patterson, 25, was hitting .320/.358/.517 with six home runs and a translated .269 EqA in 52 games at Iowa. In a stint with the Cubs this season, he batted .237/.318/.342 with one homer and a .238 EqA in 13 games. And for Donaldson, he's a A player, and more than likely he wouldn't see the MLB level as a Cub, since the Cubs have Soto, and also Welington Castillo turning into a good player at AA, his loss isn't a very significant one. |
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Your point about the "no clear-cut future role" for the guys who were traded is pretty much spot-on. Their upside seems to be: Gallager -> Solid rotation guy, but not a star Murton -> Nice bat off the bench (due to defensive ineptitude) E-Pat -> Utility guy, maybe a half-decent starter at some point Donaldson -> Offensive catcher (but again, he's only ~3 years younger than Soto, who's OPSing .902 with 15 home runs this year) Gaudin's a really solid bullpen arm who's locked up for a long time, and Harden's a guy who can be an ace if he's healthy and has a team option for next year. Nice trade for all involved. |
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You're correct about that Geo is 25, and not to mention that he works very well with our pitching staff. So I think the Cubs have finally found their COTF (Catcher of the Future). Gaudin is a very interesting player. Two years ago, he was a starter for the A's and posted a 1.530 WHIP. Not great, but not exactly horrible. He'd make a nice 5th starter for the Cubs, if they somehow can get rid of Marquis. Here's the wildcard though. Rich Hill. |
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Hill doesn't sound like he'll find his control anytime soon, atleast this buys them time with him |
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If we're talking wildcards, I think Angel Guzman is higher on that list than Hill. |
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I've lived up here for 20 years now. It's always the same. |
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Hill also featured his new delivery, and it looks like he may actually have found the cure for his version of Steve Blass Disease. He no longer tilts his shoulder and head back to the extent he had been doing (a la Fernando Valenzuela), which allows him to keep his eyes on the catcher's target. |
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As a Grizzlies fan, I'm not too upset about that deal, since it's positioned the team to make a big addition next summer (Boozer pls kthx) after accumulating a really talented backcourt and some nice frontcourt prospects in Arthur and Gasol (plus Warrick, who could be a valuable trade piece). |
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i'm just saying that the cardinals have been banking on the cubs/brewers/astros to eat shit when it matters for too long now. if they don't make a move, they won't make the playoffs. |
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not to derail this thread or anything |
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Good teams beat bad teams. That's kind of the job. Four teams in all of baseball have winning records on the road. Two of them lead their division (by 6 and 1.5 games), one is 3.5 games back, and the other is 8.5 games back. Quote:
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Wow, I'm just in fucking awe over Cub greatness. :whackit: And BTW, as you certainly know, one of the Four teams that has a winning road record is St. Louis. |
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Perhaps they should win at least one more series against a good team before we anoint them as the '27 Yankees. :rolleyes: |
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Great deal for the Cubs. Even though Harden is injury prone, they really didn't give up anyone that probably fit in thier future plans. Well worth the risk for a talent like Harden.....that said i hope he gets a hangnail and hits the DL ASAP :thumb:
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Not saying the Cardinals are going to win the division, or even make the playoffs, because I'm not sure Mozeliak will go out and get some bullpen help, but it's kinda ridiculous to count out the Cards. They've found ways to win thus far into the season, and are ahead of the Brewers in the standings. Over the past few days on ESPN, the Cardinals haven't been discussed when it comes to winning the Central OR Wild Card.
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So they've won three. Impressive. |
Right now offensive seems to be the Cards' biggest problem. They won tonight, but the final score was 2-0.
But against the Phillies, ON THE ROAD, I'll take it. |
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Against Cole Hamels, no less. |
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Of course, no one will care about that - we'll just hear about how the ALMIGHTY CUBS beat the hapless Reds at Wrigley. :spock: |
the reds aren't so bad. nobody in the nl central is really that bad. the worst team is only 8 under. other than the al east, most divisions the worst team is around 20 under.
the cubs are still an indefinite 'believe it when i see it' proposition until further notice though. obviously. |
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As for the beating the hell out of St. Louis, no, that's true. However, a win is a win, and a loss is a loss, regardless if it's a 1 run game or a 9 run game. I'm not annointing them as the '27 Yankees or anything like that. However, the numbers don't lie. - 1st in the NL on team OBP of .359. - 1st in the NL on team batting average of .283. - 2nd in the NL on team SLG of .444. - 3rd in the NL on team ERA of 3.86. - 3rd in the NL on team pitching of OBA (On Base Allowed) of .320 So, obviously they're doing something right, and quite frankly, it's not something fluky. I think by the end of the season, that the Cubs will possibly win 90 games, and be at least 8 games up in the standings. |
I think the last couple of years have proved just get in the playoffs and anybody can win it all. Heck the Cards lost in the playoffs a bunch of times with a great regular season record, but were not an impressive team at all in the regular season the year they won the world series. Go figure. Until the Cubbies get it done in the postseason, they will always have thier doubters.
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I admit, if I was a GM, I'd have jumped at the chance to have Harden. I love watching him pitch.
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Speaking of A's pitchers Justin Duchscherer has an ERA of 1.78 after throwing a shutout tonight :eek: holy Raiduhs
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I don't think it's an awful deal for either side. The Cubs have to go for it all. The A's got 4 guys who could play at an ML level for someone who usually can't pitch a whole season without getting hurt.
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But the A's have optioned 3 of those 4 guys to their farm system, and Gallagher is moved to the pen, which I think is not a smart move. And the Cubs got two solid players, and didn't have to give up Vitters, Pie, Hill, and Marshall? That's pretty impressive. |
The value would've been 10x higher if harden wasn't injured half his career
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This is outstanding. Harden was obviously the 2nd best pitcher available for trade if he can just stay healthy . Zambrano-Harden-Dempster-Lilly-Marshall. Looks like it will be an amazing 2nd half of the season between the Cubs and Brewers.
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As a Cards fan, this SUCKS. Cubs are making the right moves to try and get over the top.
Even though most in this thread are counting the Cards finished because of the two acquisitions that have went down. Don't forget that they will be getting their two aces back shortly too. Yes they have overachieved, and yes I have been waiting for them to fall off, but wow what a surprise. After getting the pitching staff healthy they could have a chance. A chance that at the first of the season I would have told you was impossible. |
As a Cubs fan I'm shocked that this move was done right after the Brewers landed Sabathia. I was confident they would add an arm but thought it would be closer to the deadline.
That said, I'm thrilled with the move. While Harden has injury issues, its a huge upgrade over Gallagher and we didn't have to give up anything to get him in my opinion. Murton is an AL player who never had a home on this team and that wasn't ever going to change. Heck, Soriano goes down and he still couldn't find the field. The organization liked EPat, but he was exposed in the OF which meant that he was only valuable at 2nd base where the Cubs have a log jam. The catcher is only 3 years younger than Soto, and his defense needs work so no real loss there. I'm obviously thrilled with Harden but to get a solid bull pen arm who can also spot start is an added bonus. My gut feeling tells me that the Cubs are not done, they still have some bullets to trade if they so desire and I don't put it past the Cubs to find a little insurance if they can get it at a reasonable price. My pipe dream would have them still swing a deal with Toronto for AJ Burnett, and find a team where they could unload Marquis. If that doesn't happen I'm still a happy man. Zambrano Harden Dempster Lilly Marquis/Marshall Or my Pipe dream rotation Zambrano Dempster Harden Lilly Burnett |
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Looks like the cubs are really desparate to try to avoid that 100 year mark of futility...too bad (for them) they will still manage to blow it.
I think they should implement a "Cubs Rule" where if a team goes for this long without winning it all they should call off an entire year and give them a mercy title...poor little guys. I will love it when all the talking heads say that the Cards didn't make any moved to match the Cubs and Bewers and will thus fade down the strech, only to see them eat thier words when Muldar finds himself in as a solid #3, Wainwright and Carp come back in August and are both strong and the Cards run away with it. |
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