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Mi_chief_fan 05-19-2013 12:12 PM

So, Tyler Lyons gets the call. Not really considered much of a prospect. Has anyone seen him?

Jewish Rabbi 05-19-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9691832)
I have a different opinion. Past history says agents have a say in, especially Boras players, whether they are a starter or reliever.

Such as?

BigRedChief 05-19-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan (Post 9691985)
So, Tyler Lyons gets the call. Not really considered much of a prospect. Has anyone seen him?

They are waiting on someone else. Someone who needs seasoning, is injured, will be ready soon.

BigRedChief 05-19-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9691841)
Garcia can get ****ed. I said it last season, I said it the year before, I'll say it again: the guy is not physically or mentally reliable. I highly doubt he pitches again this year, and it wouldn't surprise me if he never pitches effectively again. It's a pain in the ass because we lose a competent lefty starter for much of the regular season, but if the team is going to make the playoffs, it at least frees up a roster spot for someone who won't shit all over their stirrups.

Garcia has been a head case from day one. Doesn't matter what sport, some players just cant relax and let their talent rise to the occasion. Garcia always was effected if the defense made a bad play or ump made a bad call.

Boggs is the same way. The talent is undeniably there. But he just for whatever reason chokes it in the 9th.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9691841)
Westbrook needed an additional injection yesterday. Not great news.

I'd rather not see him in the playoffs but he would eat up some innings in the regular season.

Jewish Rabbi 05-19-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9692036)
They are waiting on someone else. Someone who needs seasoning, is injured, will be ready soon.

I'd be surprised if Carpenter came back as a starter.

BigRedChief 05-20-2013 04:27 PM

This makes me really sad for some reason.
Joe Posnanski article:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/519372...orts-baseball/

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ALBERT PUJOLS DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE


His at-bats used to be riveting; now, nobody's paying attentio

The thing that’s strange – the thing that’s sad – is how little excitement there is now when he comes to the plate. Let’s go to a moment in Sunday’s Angels-White Sox game. The count is 3-0, and Albert Pujols has the green light. There should be an electrical charge buzzing the air. Only … really … there isn’t a buzz. There isn’t a charge. There isn’t anything at all. The thrill-o-meter is at zero.

So strange. So sad. It used to be one of baseball’s great thrills to watch Albert Pujols hit. Whether you were a Cardinals fan or not, you would find yourself marking the pace of games by Albert Pujols' at bats.

Pujols just hit, so he probably won’t come up for another two innings, let’s get a hot dog.

St. Louis is down two, but Pujols is scheduled to hit fourth in the eighth.

Hey, the Cardinals avoiding the double play means Pujols will get up one more time before the game’s over.
Stuff like that. Here are the top five players in baseball history after 10 years in Batting Wins Above Replacement – so, perhaps, the five best hitters after 10 seasons (the slash statistics are batting average/on-base percentage/slugging percentage):

Ted Williams: .347/.484/.633 with 366 doubles, 323 homers, 1,261 RBIs, 1,273 runs.

Albert Pujols: .331/.426/.624 with 426 doubles, 408 homers, 1,230 RBIs, 1186 runs.

Lou Gehrig: .343/.440/.640 with 321 doubles, 267 homers, 1,143 RBIs, 1,075 runs.

Stan Musial: .347/.431/.584 with 373 doubles, 206 homers, 923 RBIs, 1,044 runs.

Babe Ruth: .346/.477/.701 with 271 doubles, 305 homers, 932 RBIs, 969 runs.

Now, Ruth was a pitcher for much of his early career, and Pujols played in a better offensive era than many, but let’s not get too technical about all this. In his first 10 years, Albert Pujols hit more homers than any player ever, and also more doubles.

But the thing that was most striking about Pujols is that he was always exactly as good as he had been the year before. He never had a bad year. He never had anything RESEMBLING a bad year. They called him “The Machine.” If you take the WORST statistical totals he had those first 10 years – that is, the lowest batting average he had over those 10 years, the fewest home runs he hit, etc. -- you STILL come up with this season:

.312 average, .394 on-base, .561 slugging, 33 doubles, 34 homers, 117 RBIs, 99 runs.

Repeat: Those are his WORST numbers in those first 10 years. The guy was a first-ballot Hall of Famer on his worst day.

And he was thrilling to watch hit. He stood at the plate with that wide stance – he looked so sturdy and immovable, like he was magnetically connected with the batters’ box. He was like a marble statue up there.

The pitcher would throw a ball just off the plate, and Pujols would not only refuse to swing, he would look down and kick at the dirt as if the pitch had never happened, as if it was not even worthy of his disdain. Then, when the right pitch came, his pitch, he would unleash with such ferocity you could almost see the cartoon exclamation points dancing around the collision of bat and ball. Everyone has a Pujols example. He was always one swing away from inspiring awe.

That made him exciting, riveting, one of those athletes who could stop time … and now it’s just gone. It isn’t just that Albert Pujols is hitting .241, slugging about 200 points below his career average and striking out more than he’s walking again. By now, we must have gotten used to Pujols slow starts.

Through May 3, 2011: .231/.298/.419 with seven homers.

Through May 14, 2012: .197/.255/.275 with one homer.

Through May 19, 2013: .241/.313/.418 with seven homers.

Each of the last two seasons, he hit well enough the last four-plus months of the season to end up with strong numbers. Last year, for instance, after May 14 he hit .312/.374/.589 with 42 doubles and 29 homers. You have to believe that he will start hitting again at some point.

But, even assuming he does again find the range, even assuming he has a few more productive years, the truth is that Pujols has entered a different phase of his career. After years of being the best player in baseball, Pujols is now sort of beside the point.

Look: He is 33 years old, just beginning a $240 million contract, and he’s playing for an overpriced and kind of dreadful team that looks like it was built by a rotisserie baseball beginner who ran out at the last minute and bought three fantasy baseball magazines. He looks hurt. He looks tired. He looks out of place. He looks … well, truth is, who is even looking anymore?

Miguel Cabrera, who for years had to deal with being kind of a poor-man’s Albert, won the Triple Crown, something Pujols could never quite do. He’s the one who inspires awe now. St. Louis, the team and town he had come to represent, has gone on without him, and the Cardinals have the second-best record in baseball. And Pujols is not even the most exciting or interesting player on his own team.
You tell me: If you are a young Angels fan, who will you associate with and whose jersey will you buy – Albert Pujols or Mike Trout?

It wasn’t supposed to happen like this. Few players in baseball history have worked as hard as Albert Pujols to achieve greatness. He was doubted every step of his life. He moved to Kansas City from the Dominican Republic when he was young, and everyone always whispered that he was older than he said. As a high schooler, he hit legendary home runs his average topped .500 … but he was not even on the Kansas City’s Star’s all-metro first team, and he was not drafted. He went to Maple Woods Community College and crushed the ball with such ferocity that no self-respecting scout could possibly miss it … he hit .461 with 22 homers in 40 games and, according to legend, did not strike out a single time. But scouts did miss it. Pujols was not drafted until the 13th round by the Cardinals.

Eighteen months later, Cardinals manager Tony La Russa got his first good look at Pujols. His mind was utterly blown. Pujols played every day in St. Louis and had one of the greatest rookie years in baseball history. He was better every year after that.

He was driven by the doubters, spurred by the skepticism, galvanized by people’s pessimism. He talked often about his faith and how God awakened and strengthened him. He spent hours swinging bats in the cage. He cut out anything at all that might be a distraction. And he became the best player in baseball. Then, he became the best player in baseball again. Then he became the best player in baseball again.

It was a never-ending cycle for him. They said he was slow – he stole 16 bases the next year. They said he struck out too much – he started to annually appear in the Top 10 for fewest strikeouts per at-bat. They said his defense was a liability – he won two Gold Gloves and almost certainly deserved a few more.

Then, two years ago, he was a free agent and, he did not think the Cardinals respected him enough. Their first offer to him was insultingly low (well, relatively speaking, it was a five-year deal for $130 million). The Cardinals seemed to want him on the cheap (well, relatively speaking, $210 million with a bunch of it deferred). There’s no way to get into Pujols’ mind but you suspect he thought that, as the best player in baseball, he deserved the most money in baseball.

He got $240 million. He will be getting an average of almost $28 million a deal for the next eight years. Other than Alex Rodriguez’s insane contracts – which brought their own pain – it was the highest baseball deal ever signed.

But, there’s a cost too. And the cost is … well, back to Sunday’s game. It is Angels and White Sox, a couple of sub-.500 teams, and the count is 3-0. The Angels announcer points out that Pujols does not often swing 3-0, but this is a good time to swing if the pitch is right. Sure. Swing away! The air is warm, meaning the ball will travel if hit right. The Angels are up comfortably. Here is a chance for Albert to break out of a slump, to get a little greedy, to give the fans a thrill.

The pitch is right. Pujols unleashes the swing. There are no cartoon exclamation points. Instead, he pops up to the shortstop, completing his 0-for-4 day. There will be better days, of course. But the big thing, is nobody really seems to notice. Nobody really seems to care. That’s the cost.

Joe Posnanski is the national columnist for NBC Sports. Follow him on Twitter @JPosnanski. Click here to subscribe to Joe's stories.
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Jewish Rabbi 05-20-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9691832)
I have a different opinion. Past history says agents have a say in, especially Boras players, whether they are a starter or reliever.

Do you have any examples of this yet, or were you just talking out your ass again?

Mi_chief_fan 05-20-2013 04:38 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/si_vault/...1552769/photos

He died 2 years ago today, thought it was a pretty cool picture.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-20-2013 08:23 PM

Nice find.

Frazod 05-20-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9695124)
This makes me really sad for some reason.
Joe Posnanski article:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/519372...orts-baseball/

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ALBERT PUJOLS DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE


His at-bats used to be riveting; now, nobody's paying attentio

The thing that’s strange – the thing that’s sad – is how little excitement there is now when he comes to the plate. Let’s go to a moment in Sunday’s Angels-White Sox game. The count is 3-0, and Albert Pujols has the green light. There should be an electrical charge buzzing the air. Only … really … there isn’t a buzz. There isn’t a charge. There isn’t anything at all. The thrill-o-meter is at zero.

So strange. So sad. It used to be one of baseball’s great thrills to watch Albert Pujols hit. Whether you were a Cardinals fan or not, you would find yourself marking the pace of games by Albert Pujols' at bats.

Pujols just hit, so he probably won’t come up for another two innings, let’s get a hot dog.

St. Louis is down two, but Pujols is scheduled to hit fourth in the eighth.

Hey, the Cardinals avoiding the double play means Pujols will get up one more time before the game’s over.
Stuff like that. Here are the top five players in baseball history after 10 years in Batting Wins Above Replacement – so, perhaps, the five best hitters after 10 seasons (the slash statistics are batting average/on-base percentage/slugging percentage):

Ted Williams: .347/.484/.633 with 366 doubles, 323 homers, 1,261 RBIs, 1,273 runs.

Albert Pujols: .331/.426/.624 with 426 doubles, 408 homers, 1,230 RBIs, 1186 runs.

Lou Gehrig: .343/.440/.640 with 321 doubles, 267 homers, 1,143 RBIs, 1,075 runs.

Stan Musial: .347/.431/.584 with 373 doubles, 206 homers, 923 RBIs, 1,044 runs.

Babe Ruth: .346/.477/.701 with 271 doubles, 305 homers, 932 RBIs, 969 runs.

Now, Ruth was a pitcher for much of his early career, and Pujols played in a better offensive era than many, but let’s not get too technical about all this. In his first 10 years, Albert Pujols hit more homers than any player ever, and also more doubles.

But the thing that was most striking about Pujols is that he was always exactly as good as he had been the year before. He never had a bad year. He never had anything RESEMBLING a bad year. They called him “The Machine.” If you take the WORST statistical totals he had those first 10 years – that is, the lowest batting average he had over those 10 years, the fewest home runs he hit, etc. -- you STILL come up with this season:

.312 average, .394 on-base, .561 slugging, 33 doubles, 34 homers, 117 RBIs, 99 runs.

Repeat: Those are his WORST numbers in those first 10 years. The guy was a first-ballot Hall of Famer on his worst day.

And he was thrilling to watch hit. He stood at the plate with that wide stance – he looked so sturdy and immovable, like he was magnetically connected with the batters’ box. He was like a marble statue up there.

The pitcher would throw a ball just off the plate, and Pujols would not only refuse to swing, he would look down and kick at the dirt as if the pitch had never happened, as if it was not even worthy of his disdain. Then, when the right pitch came, his pitch, he would unleash with such ferocity you could almost see the cartoon exclamation points dancing around the collision of bat and ball. Everyone has a Pujols example. He was always one swing away from inspiring awe.

That made him exciting, riveting, one of those athletes who could stop time … and now it’s just gone. It isn’t just that Albert Pujols is hitting .241, slugging about 200 points below his career average and striking out more than he’s walking again. By now, we must have gotten used to Pujols slow starts.

Through May 3, 2011: .231/.298/.419 with seven homers.

Through May 14, 2012: .197/.255/.275 with one homer.

Through May 19, 2013: .241/.313/.418 with seven homers.

Each of the last two seasons, he hit well enough the last four-plus months of the season to end up with strong numbers. Last year, for instance, after May 14 he hit .312/.374/.589 with 42 doubles and 29 homers. You have to believe that he will start hitting again at some point.

But, even assuming he does again find the range, even assuming he has a few more productive years, the truth is that Pujols has entered a different phase of his career. After years of being the best player in baseball, Pujols is now sort of beside the point.

Look: He is 33 years old, just beginning a $240 million contract, and he’s playing for an overpriced and kind of dreadful team that looks like it was built by a rotisserie baseball beginner who ran out at the last minute and bought three fantasy baseball magazines. He looks hurt. He looks tired. He looks out of place. He looks … well, truth is, who is even looking anymore?

Miguel Cabrera, who for years had to deal with being kind of a poor-man’s Albert, won the Triple Crown, something Pujols could never quite do. He’s the one who inspires awe now. St. Louis, the team and town he had come to represent, has gone on without him, and the Cardinals have the second-best record in baseball. And Pujols is not even the most exciting or interesting player on his own team.
You tell me: If you are a young Angels fan, who will you associate with and whose jersey will you buy – Albert Pujols or Mike Trout?

It wasn’t supposed to happen like this. Few players in baseball history have worked as hard as Albert Pujols to achieve greatness. He was doubted every step of his life. He moved to Kansas City from the Dominican Republic when he was young, and everyone always whispered that he was older than he said. As a high schooler, he hit legendary home runs his average topped .500 … but he was not even on the Kansas City’s Star’s all-metro first team, and he was not drafted. He went to Maple Woods Community College and crushed the ball with such ferocity that no self-respecting scout could possibly miss it … he hit .461 with 22 homers in 40 games and, according to legend, did not strike out a single time. But scouts did miss it. Pujols was not drafted until the 13th round by the Cardinals.

Eighteen months later, Cardinals manager Tony La Russa got his first good look at Pujols. His mind was utterly blown. Pujols played every day in St. Louis and had one of the greatest rookie years in baseball history. He was better every year after that.

He was driven by the doubters, spurred by the skepticism, galvanized by people’s pessimism. He talked often about his faith and how God awakened and strengthened him. He spent hours swinging bats in the cage. He cut out anything at all that might be a distraction. And he became the best player in baseball. Then, he became the best player in baseball again. Then he became the best player in baseball again.

It was a never-ending cycle for him. They said he was slow – he stole 16 bases the next year. They said he struck out too much – he started to annually appear in the Top 10 for fewest strikeouts per at-bat. They said his defense was a liability – he won two Gold Gloves and almost certainly deserved a few more.

Then, two years ago, he was a free agent and, he did not think the Cardinals respected him enough. Their first offer to him was insultingly low (well, relatively speaking, it was a five-year deal for $130 million). The Cardinals seemed to want him on the cheap (well, relatively speaking, $210 million with a bunch of it deferred). There’s no way to get into Pujols’ mind but you suspect he thought that, as the best player in baseball, he deserved the most money in baseball.

He got $240 million. He will be getting an average of almost $28 million a deal for the next eight years. Other than Alex Rodriguez’s insane contracts – which brought their own pain – it was the highest baseball deal ever signed.

But, there’s a cost too. And the cost is … well, back to Sunday’s game. It is Angels and White Sox, a couple of sub-.500 teams, and the count is 3-0. The Angels announcer points out that Pujols does not often swing 3-0, but this is a good time to swing if the pitch is right. Sure. Swing away! The air is warm, meaning the ball will travel if hit right. The Angels are up comfortably. Here is a chance for Albert to break out of a slump, to get a little greedy, to give the fans a thrill.

The pitch is right. Pujols unleashes the swing. There are no cartoon exclamation points. Instead, he pops up to the shortstop, completing his 0-for-4 day. There will be better days, of course. But the big thing, is nobody really seems to notice. Nobody really seems to care. That’s the cost.

Joe Posnanski is the national columnist for NBC Sports. Follow him on Twitter @JPosnanski. Click here to subscribe to Joe's stories.
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WE'LL NEVER FORGET YOU ALFRED!

BigRedChief 05-20-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9696037)
Nice find.

I know that feeling very well about anticipating a Pujols at bat.

Bases loaded. Cubs at Bush. Pujols stepping up to the plate and a pitching change. I'm with my son eight rows back behind home plate. While the pitcher is warming up, the conversation in the stands is that no way will they give him anything to hit. A walk is better than a grand slam. We were all hoping maybe he would make a mistake. But, we knew better. How cool would it have been to see Pujols hit a grand slam....

I can see the pitch today as clear as my laptop. It was suppose to be up past the shoulders and it was coming in at the letters in the middle of the plate. Pujols didn't miss it. It landed there in the handicap section near the gate. If it would have bounced on the concrete, it would have bounced out of the stadium and into the street.

The picture is where he hit that grand slam. It landed right there on the fly. That was the hardest and farthest I've ever seen a ball hit in a game. It was just amazing.

Jewish Rabbi 05-20-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9695141)
Do you have any examples of this yet, or were you just talking out your ass again?

So no? Cool.

BigRedChief 05-20-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9696313)
So no? Cool.

Dude I am not going to respond to someone acting like a troll. Even if you are a cardinal fan. Take your misplaced aggression elsewhere.

Jewish Rabbi 05-20-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9696320)
Dude I am not going to respond to someone acting like a troll. Even if you are a cardinal fan. Take your misplaced aggression elsewhere.

I asked a serious question that you chose to ignore. Not my fault I call you out for not knowing your shit.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-20-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9696211)
I know that feeling very well about anticipating a Pujols at bat.

Bases loaded. Cubs at Bush. Pujols stepping up to the plate and a pitching change. I'm with my son eight rows back behind home plate. While the pitcher is warming up, the conversation in the stands is that no way will they give him anything to hit. A walk is better than a grand slam. We were all hoping maybe he would make a mistake. But, we knew better. How cool would it have been to see Pujols hit a grand slam....

I can see the pitch today as clear as my laptop. It was suppose to be up past the shoulders and it was coming in at the letters in the middle of the plate. Pujols didn't miss it. It landed there in the handicap section near the gate. If it would have bounced on the concrete, it would have bounced out of the stadium and into the street.

The picture is where he hit that grand slam. It landed right there on the fly. That was the hardest and farthest I've ever seen a ball hit in a game. It was just amazing.

I was there as well....It was incredible

Buck 05-20-2013 09:54 PM

Gold Glove play by Headley.

Buck 05-20-2013 10:11 PM

lol

Jewish Rabbi 05-20-2013 10:13 PM

Salas shitting the bed? No...

Fairplay 05-20-2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9696366)
I asked a serious question that you chose to ignore. Not my fault I call you out for not knowing your shit.



He's like that JR sad to say.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-20-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9696502)
Salas shitting the bed? No...

What'd he do this time? I just turned it on. Why even pitch the ****er in a close game?

Buck 05-20-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9696507)
What'd he do this time? I just turned it on. Why even pitch the ****er in a close game?

Came into the game with a 2-1 lead, men on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

Gives up a Single, tied 2-2, gives up a walk, hits a batter, Padres up 3-2.

Frazod 05-20-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9696513)
Came into the game with a 2-1 lead, men on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

Gives up a Single, tied 2-2, gives up a walk, hits a batter, Padres up 3-2.

We got off easy.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-20-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9696516)
We got off easy.

3 runs in that park is an onslaught LMAO

Jewish Rabbi 05-20-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9696505)
He's like that JR sad to say.

He's the most worthless poster on the site. Constantly backhandedly bragging about himself, talking about the "Academy", and justifying everything he does because he has met people from this website in person.

He has terrible spelling, terrible grammar, and he knows next to nothing to boot.

Jewish Rabbi 05-20-2013 10:49 PM

Not to pull a Hootie here, but if there were a Cardinals message board similar to this culture BRC would get run off within a month. His takes on everything are just completely wrong, but there are so few Cardinals fans here that no one is willing to call him out on it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-20-2013 11:11 PM

Haven't actually been to Busch since '09. The last two times I went Pujols hit a grand slam. I've got photos on my desktop of the actual swing. We had seats right behind home plate. The last time I went we sat in the left field loge and Freese hit his first career HR against the Astros.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-20-2013 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9696507)
What'd he do this time? I just turned it on. Why even pitch the ****er in a close game?

Sadly we are just about out of arms.

Mujica threw three straight days, Rosenthal pitched Saturday and Sunday. Maness threw 25 pitches yesterday. You can't throw those guys every day unless you are Joe Torre or Dusty Baker and you want to ruin them.

It'd be nice if Sanchez was reasonably healthy and Rzepczynski and Boggs were worth a ****, but they aren't.

The Cardinals needed 7-8 from Shelby tonight and a good offensive performance and they got neither. Hope for a laugher tomorrow to get the pen arms a little more rest.

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9696614)
Sadly we are just about out of arms.

Where is Martinez? why bring him up if you don't use him?

I'm thinking that maybe he is the trade bait in a future trade. If they are not going to bring up Wacha because they don't want to start the clock why bring up Martinez and not use him?

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 05:22 PM

The Cardinals left Sanchez off the 40 man roster when they promoted Lyons. Cubs got him.

Wonder what Sanchez did to get on their shit list?

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9696562)
He's the most worthless poster on the site. Constantly backhandedly bragging about himself, talking about the "Academy", and justifying everything he does because he has met people from this website in person.

He has terrible spelling, terrible grammar, and he knows next to nothing to boot.

You are a very jealous small man.

Mi_chief_fan 05-21-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9697965)
The Cardinals left Sanchez off the 40 man roster when they promoted Lyons. Cubs got him.

Wonder what Sanchez did to get on their shit list?

Love his stuff, but if he could throw strikes, he would've been on the team this year AND last.

Simply Red 05-21-2013 05:54 PM

BRAVES ARE UP 2-1 OVER THE TWINS GUYS

Simply Red 05-21-2013 05:55 PM

THIRD INNING!

Jewish Rabbi 05-21-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9697965)
The Cardinals left Sanchez off the 40 man roster when they promoted Lyons. Cubs got him.

Wonder what Sanchez did to get on their shit list?

He's always hurt and he sucks. That's what he did.

Prison Bitch 05-21-2013 06:30 PM

What do you all think of Jocketty? He's made Cinci a damn good team too. I would've killed to get him to KC but we don't deserve him anyway. He's a threat in that division seemingly every year.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9697956)
Where is Martinez? why bring him up if you don't use him?

I'm thinking that maybe he is the trade bait in a future trade. If they are not going to bring up Wacha because they don't want to start the clock why bring up Martinez and not use him?

Wacha profiles as a #2/#1 starter and it's his second year of pro ball. Martinez has electric stuff, but there are so many unknowns about him. Think about it this way: If they start the clock on Miller, Wacha, and Martinez simultaneously, not only are they putting a lot of stress on their arms at a young age, but they are also making them all of them FA eligible simultaneously.

Mozeliak has to think about the team this year and in the future. Although it's tempting to throw caution to the wind and bring up Wacha right now, that doesn't mean it's the best move in the long-term interests of the franchise. With the way Matt Carpenter has handled 2B, which has been absolutely tremendous, they might be better off flipping Wong for bullpen help similar to the way they moved Cox last year.

Carpenter leads the batters in WAR right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9697965)
The Cardinals left Sanchez off the 40 man roster when they promoted Lyons. Cubs got him.

Wonder what Sanchez did to get on their shit list?

Can't throw strikes and can't stay healthy. He also got his ass handed to him in AAA last year, then pitched 8 innings this year before getting hurt. He walks almost six batters per nine.

A reliever who lobs it over the middle of the plate is worth more than an asshole who throws 96 but can't hit his own ass. See: Marmol, Carlos.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9698173)
What do you all think of Jocketty? He's made Cinci a damn good team too. I would've killed to get him to KC but we don't deserve him anyway. He's a threat in that division seemingly every year.

Probably one of the best at extracting maximal trade value and buying low on veteran reclamation projects. He did it in St. Louis with Chris Carpenter. The Rolen, Edmonds, Wainwright/Marquis/Fat Ray King, and McGwire trades were outright theft.

His drafts were generally ok. Hit the lottery with Pujols. Molina was obviously a tremendous pick. Rick Ankiel looked like a phenomenal selection until he went Section 8, but towards the end our farm system really suffered until Jeff Luhnow gained more influence in the development of the system and selection of picks.

If Jocketty didn't handle the draft I'd consider him the best in baseball.

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9698198)
Wacha profiles as a #2/#1 starter and it's his second year of pro ball. Martinez has electric stuff, but there are so many unknowns about him. Think about it this way: If they start the clock on Miller, Wacha, and Martinez simultaneously, not only are they putting a lot of stress on their arms at a young age, but they are also making them all of them FA eligible simultaneously.

Mozeliak has to think about the team this year and in the future. Although it's tempting to throw caution to the wind and bring up Wacha right now, that doesn't mean it's the best move in the long-term interests of the franchise. With the way Matt Carpenter has handled 2B, which has been absolutely tremendous, they might be better off flipping Wong for bullpen help similar to the way they moved Cox last year.

Carpenter leads the batters in WAR right now.

The Cardinals have proven that the can develop pitching and talent. I'm okay with Wacha staying down in AAA so that this year doesn't start the clock.
Imagine this 2014 Starting staff:
Waino
Miller
Wacha
Lynn
Rosenthal/Martinez/?

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9698237)
If Jocketty didn't handle the draft I'd consider him the best in baseball.

The importance of the draft will only continue to increase in the coming years. He may start to slide because of that but I liked Jocketty and still do.

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9696605)
Haven't actually been to Busch since '09. The last two times I went Pujols hit a grand slam. I've got photos on my desktop of the actual swing. We had seats right behind home plate. The last time I went we sat in the left field loge and Freese hit his first career HR against the Astros.

2010 for me. Moved to Florida and came back a couple of weeks later to move some stuff down. Made sure I got to get in one more game at Bush.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 07:18 PM

My most memorable Cardinal game was a game I went to in Pittsburgh on my 21st birthday. Josh Fogg was the starter for the Pirates and didn't record a single out. Pujols hit a 3-run bomb, then followed by a Tino Martinez 3-run bomb.

We had seats right on the first base line , and talked to Isringhausen and Steve Kline before the game. Kline started fake piledriving (the sex act, not wrestling maneuver) a groundskeeper then shot the shit with us for a few minutes. An awesome dude.

After the game we went to an awesome sports bar across the street. We met Matt Morris and talked to him for a few minutes outside the bar.

Only time I've ever gotten drunk three times in one day.

Jewish Rabbi 05-21-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9698269)
The Cardinals have proven that the can develop pitching and talent. I'm okay with Wacha staying down in AAA so that this year doesn't start the clock.
Imagine this 2014 Starting staff:
Waino
Miller
Wacha
Lynn
Rosenthal/Martinez/?

I can't imagine them not picking up Westbrook's option unless he gets hurt/becomes ineffective. That's a lot of young arms.

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9698345)
My most memorable Cardinal game was a game I went to in Pittsburgh on my 21st birthday. Josh Fogg was the starter for the Pirates and didn't record a single out. Pujols hit a 3-run bomb, then followed by a Tino Martinez 3-run bomb.

We had seats right on the first base line , and talked to Isringhausen and Steve Kline before the game. Kline started fake piledriving (the sex act, not wrestling maneuver) a groundskeeper then shot the shit with us for a few minutes. An awesome dude.

After the game we went to an awesome sports bar across the street. We met Matt Morris and talked to him for a few minutes outside the bar.

Only time I've ever gotten drunk three times in one day.

cool. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Simply Red 05-21-2013 07:44 PM

Hi Hamas - Do you hate or love Freddy Gonzalez or neither?

Pepe Silvia 05-21-2013 07:57 PM

I hope Wainy has a good game tonight. I thought these Pads games would be gimmes but they've improved lately. I think we get them tonight.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9698473)
Hi Hamas - Do you hate or love Freddy Gonzalez or neither?

I don't anything him. I kind of wondered why he was just gifted the job.

BigRedChief 05-21-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerinMo (Post 9698522)
I hope Wainy has a good game tonight. I thought these Pads games would be gimmes but they've improved lately. I think we get them tonight.

We got the Rockies when they were in a down trend. Seems that kind of stuff balances itself out. Our west coast trips almost always suck. How can that be year after year? Or is that just a wrong assumption?

Jewish Rabbi 05-21-2013 09:46 PM

All these outs we make on the basepaths are gonna catch up to us.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 9699102)
All these outs we make on the basepaths are gonna catch up to us.

Hopefully not with a four run lead and our ace cruising.

Didn't have much of an issue with the last inning, just poor execution. Starting the runner with the 8 hitter up with a 2-0 count is a pretty obvious hit and run. Kozma just missed the ball.

Simply Red 05-21-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9698533)
I don't anything him. I kind of wondered why he was just gifted the job.

Try to listen to him talk at his post game mini-presser sometime - they'll be hard for you to listen to or find, i'm sure - considering you're not in the Southeast. But I really REALLY like the guy as our manager - proud to have him. He'll eventually earn credit, nationally. The players sure like him.

& again - sorry to bring Braves talk over here. I just enjoy the game.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9699136)
Try to listen to him talk at his post game mini-presser sometime - they'll be hard for you to listen to or find, i'm sure - considering you're not in the Southeast. But I really REALLY like the guy as our manager - proud to have him. He'll eventually earn credit, nationally. The players sure like him.

& again - sorry to bring Braves talk over here. I just enjoy the game.

I felt sorry for him after taking that Marlins job. Horrific owner and Hanley Ramirez had just turned into a completely useless dickhead.

Simply Red 05-21-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699160)
I felt sorry for him after taking that Marlins job. Horrific owner and Hanley Ramirez had just turned into a completely useless dickhead.

the Marlins are just awful.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:05 PM

Now that he's on my fantasy team I should probably stop calling him Gi-Oar-Ko.

Jerk-O. Weird.

Pepe Silvia 05-21-2013 10:06 PM

Wainy dealing.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:09 PM

Holy **** that was one pathetic AB by Holiday.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:14 PM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/19...ell_ringer.gif

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:15 PM

Strikeout WP.
Single
Blown double play on a ghost tag at second
IBB
Grand Slam.

Rams Fan 05-21-2013 10:16 PM

Descalso was useful for once. Huh.

Buck 05-21-2013 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699223)
Now that he's on my fantasy team I should probably stop calling him Gi-Oar-Ko.

Jerk-O. Weird.

In San Diego we pronounce it ROY.

Pepe Silvia 05-21-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699248)

lol

Pepe Silvia 05-21-2013 10:18 PM

Wainy dominated for 2 of my fantasy teams, whoop whoop.

Buck 05-21-2013 10:19 PM

Rubber match tomorrow, good luck :thumb:

Rams Fan 05-21-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9699258)
In San Diego we pronounce it ROY.

Benito Santiago and Butch Metzger FTW.

And this is Santiago's picture on Wikipedia:

http://gyazo.com/e0e5f7639bda8a2e2a277c35dd076e14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Santiago

LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9699254)
Descalso was useful for once. Huh.

I actually like Descalso. Every team needs a guy like him. I just think he gets a touch too much PT, but that's not his fault.

Buck 05-21-2013 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9699272)
Benito Santiago and Butch Metzger FTW.

And this is Santiago's picture on Wikipedia:

http://gyazo.com/e0e5f7639bda8a2e2a277c35dd076e14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Santiago

LMAO

lol wtf

Edit: Khalil Greene was robbed of being named Rookie of the Year in 2004 (I think that was his rookie year).

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9699258)
In San Diego we pronounce it ROY.

Shelby Miller and Matt Harvey might have something to say about that.

Rams Fan 05-21-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699274)
I actually like Descalso. Every team needs a guy like him. I just think he gets a touch too much PT, but that's not his fault.

He can go off himself on the DL for 2 months until a judgment is made on Ryan Jackson after he receives ample playing time.

Rams Fan 05-21-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699279)
Shelby Miller and Matt Harvey might have something to say about that.

Harvey ain't got shit to say since he technically isn't a rookie.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:23 PM

Buck,

What do you think you guys should do with Quentin and Maybin? Are you ready to write them off as lost causes?

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9699282)
Harvey ain't got shit to say since he technically isn't a rookie.

I'll be goddamned. Didn't know he went over 50 last year.

Buck 05-21-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699291)
Buck,

What do you think you guys should do with Quentin and Maybin? Are you ready to write them off as lost causes?

To be honest I don't follow them close enough anymore to tell you a good enough answer.

Cam Maybin is always injured, he seems like he might end up as a career pinch runner by the time we're through with him.

Quentin might have a little value for a team in desperate need of a DH come the trade deadline, however we just gave him more money than any other team would, so I don't know.

I would say that we should at least let Quentin play out this season before we write him off. It's only May for Christ's sake.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9699281)
He can go off himself on the DL for 2 months until a judgment is made on Ryan Jackson after he receives ample playing time.

I understand, but this isn't a TLR situation where players get intentionally doghoused for bullshit reasons. Jackson should be up, but Descalso's also not Miles or ****ing Skip.

Wigginton is the buffoon stealing a roster spot right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9699298)
To be honest I don't follow them close enough anymore to tell you a good enough answer.

Cam Maybin is always injured, he seems like he might end up as a career pinch runner by the time we're through with him.

Quentin might have a little value for a team in desperate need of a DH come the trade deadline, however we just gave him more money than any other team would, so I don't know.

I would say that we should at least let Quentin play out this season before we write him off. It's only May for Christ's sake.

Why'd you stop following them? Disgruntled or lack of time?

Rams Fan 05-21-2013 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699301)
I understand, but this isn't a TLR situation where players get intentionally doghoused for bullshit reasons. Jackson should be up, but Descalso's also not Miles or ****ing Skip.

Wigginton is the buffoon stealing a roster spot right now.

While I agree that it should be Wigginton who should be gone and not DD, it's still stupid that they keep ****ing running DD out there when Jackson has more potential offensively and an above average glove.

The Cards haven't developed a legit SS since Jack Wilson(and I'm not counting Brendan Ryan, as his D is great, but his O is horrendous).

Buck 05-21-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9699302)
Why'd you stop following them? Disgruntled or lack of time?

Our ownership situation was in shambles for the longest time.

Our old owner sold to a new ownership group who didn't get approved my the other MLB owners, so basically no money was being put into the team for 3 years or so. It really pissed me off and I stopped attending games. That ownership group was eventually ousted.

Finally we got new owners this year, but I cut the cable in February and can't watch them anymore, and I have to hope that whatever team we're playing has a big enough fan base that one of their fans streams the games so I can pirate it.

Lastly, I work from 9 am - 7:30 pm and get home at 8, so by the time I'm settled in and ready to watch, it's usually 9 pm, and most of the game is over with.

I want to be a bigger fan again and I've considered doing some kind of virtual IP address to sign up for MLB.tv saying I'm in a foreign country so I can get all the games, but I just can't afford it right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:35 PM

ROFL @ Denorfia.

Buck 05-21-2013 10:39 PM

Denorfia once hit a routine grounder to 3rd (more like a Baltimore Chop) that ended in an Inside The Park Home Run.

Sometimes he plays dumb, but he's a ****ing hustler. We all love him.

Buck 05-21-2013 10:40 PM

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'Hamas' Jenkins 05-21-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9699328)
Denorfia once hit a routine grounder to 3rd (more like a Baltimore Chop) that ended in an Inside The Park Home Run.

Sometimes he plays dumb, but he's a ****ing hustler. We all love him.

One of the greatest days of my life was in Little League:

My first time up the pitcher walks me. Fourth ball is a WP, so I can steal. I sprint around first and the catcher airmails the throw to second. Centerfielder then airmails the throw to third.

I scored from home on a walk.

Same game I was pitching. I just about broke the first dude's face with a fastball. After that I threw a no-hitter with like 11 Ks in a five inning game. Almost took another kid's head off with a pitch, and when he ducked the ball glanced off his bat and came right back to the mound.

I don't believe Powerball was available in Missouri til the following year. Otherwise, I would have bought a ticket.


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