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Is Flacco really worth that much? (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=270631)

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9944657)

You think New England could? And the Saints? The saint would never stop peyton manning. Atlanta would have the same problem. Their defense is very suspect. The only one I could agree with is GB.

NE really struggled keeping pace last year.

Additionally, the Saints and Falcons really struggle in those particular scenarios as well. Definitely not designed to compensate for poor defensive play.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9944424)

Not really.

Running more doesn't keep your defense off the field for any longer in real time. In fact, it probably gets them on their more quickly.

Think about it - say you're trying to milk the clock to get your defense rest. So you run the football. I'd say an average run play takes maybe 4-5 seconds of 'real' time. Once the whistle blows, the play clock starts back up and you're looking at 40 more seconds until you have to snap it again. The time to place the ball is maybe a few seconds as well.

All told, a run play probably only yields maybe 50-55 seconds of breather time if you milk the play clock for all it's worth.

Meanwhile a passing play probably takes 6-8 seconds of real time; drop backs, balls in the air, running with the ball, etc... If it's a completion, it's going to be further downfield on average, so to re-spot the ball takes the official more time. Additionally, to go pick up the ball if it's incomplete takes more time. Spot to spot, snap to snap, a passing play probably takes 60-65 seconds of real time.

If you really want to get your defense a break and you're equally effective at both passing and running, passing the ball will give you a few more seconds of breathing time.

Clock time? Running all the way, but clock time isn't how your defense is getting its rest. The key is to simply work the play clock down as best you can and to make sure you pick up a first down or two. In the end, run vs. pass makes a nominal difference in terms of how much time off the field your defense gets. It only makes a difference in the time of possession stats, which can be very different from how much real time your defense spends on the field.

Good explanation. Never thought about it that way.

In the end Flacco will be forced to re-negotiate his contract anyway.

Last year the Ravens were a good TEAM. Flacco wasn't carrying them on his back.

Didn't think so then, or not. Flacco is just in the same league as Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees. He just had a better supporting cast around him and the team caught fire at the right time, which sometimes happens.

That said, the Ravens could've extended him for less BEFORE last season, but decided to "wait and see" and they waited and got burnt, so no sympathy....

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9944674)

NE really struggled keeping pace last year.

Additionally, the Saints and Falcons really struggle in those particular scenarios as well. Definitely not designed to compensate for poor defensive play.

Well, we aren't talking about last year are we?

I understand the faith in Tom Brady, but Aaron Hernandez is running routes trying to protect his booty hole, and Wes is catching passes from Peyton.

Like I said. In my opinion, with the exception of maybe the Packers, I don't see anyone that can go toe to toe with the Broncos.

That doesn't mean teams cant beat them. just that standing back and saying im going to match Peyton Manning throw for throw is beating yourself.

The saints were a 7-9 football team, and in the end, the 49ers offense was better than the Falcons defense. Which again brings me to the point that if you are going to go toe to toe with the Broncos, you have to be smart about it. Denvers defense, will get more stops than the Falcons.

The saints gave up the most passing yards in the history of the league.

How can you even argue this point?

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9944690)

In the end Flacco will be forced to re-negotiate his contract anyway.

Last year the Ravens were a good TEAM. Flacco wasn't carrying them on his back.

Losing Boldin screwed Flacco pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9944690)

In the end Flacco will be forced to re-negotiate his contract anyway.

Last year the Ravens were a good TEAM. Flacco wasn't carrying them on his back.

They were a complete football team. Every time they lost someone like Ray to injury, someone like Ellerbe stood tall. Ledarius Webb went down, Jimmy Smith, Cary Williams stepped up. Suggs was down, Paul Kruger stepped up.

they just lost too much.

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9944707)

Losing Boldin screwed Flacco pretty bad.

Bingo. And then getting older and slower at tight end, and wide receiver didn't help.

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9944657)

You think New England could? And the Saints? The saint would never stop peyton manning. Atlanta would have the same problem. Their defense is very suspect. The only one I could agree with is GB.

Several high powered offenses beat the piss out of Denver last year.

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9944714)

Bingo. And then getting older and slower at tight end, and wide receiver didn't help.

Big mistake by their front office imho.

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9944738)

Several high powered offenses beat the piss out of Denver last year.

That's why we had to get Welker. Dude is a difference maker.

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9944738)

Several high powered offenses beat the piss out of Denver last year.

I am not talking about last year. I am talking about right now, this Denver team with Julius Thomas, Wes Welker, Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas.

If you are trying this year to play throw for throw, you aren't going to win. Especially when Champ and Von get back.

im not talking about last years team.

Wes, and Julius make this a completely different monster.

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9944754)

Big mistake by their front office imho.

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9944758)

That's why we had to get Welker. Dude is a difference maker.

apparently my communication skills are just reeruned.

I am simply trying to state that this DENVER offense today right now, is ridiculous. To beat them, you are going to have to keep Peyton and Co, off the field.

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9944769)

No, you are perfectly clear.
I'm agreeing with you.

Julius Thomas has been a Bronco since 2011 - he just couldn't get on the field.

Now I'm not saying that he hasn't turned a corner; he looked pretty good last night. That said, I'd be a little wary to call the guy the next Gates just yet.