Polarizing Players and Chiefs Fans
I am completely astounded at how Chiefs fans are becoming increasingly polarized over certain players. Prior to this season, Matt Cassel was a prime example.
Now it's Geno Smith. The kid is one of the top talents in this draft. Yet people shit all over him and they don't even watch game tape. Yet this kid is very polarizing almost how Eagle fans were in a tizzy over Donovan McNabb before the draft, during the selection announcement itself and after the draft. Its a very interesting dynamic. |
It's a dynamic that has a lot of dumb**** fans spouting shit they don't know about QBs they've never seen.
I don't know... is "interesting" the word you're going for? I would probably use "cluster****" instead |
What it's bringing out is a lot of the ****ing racist bullshit when it comes to QBs. Geno Smith is instantly another Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell.
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I just hadn't seen him play much. He, and now Smith have changed that image for me. Very ignorant on my part, yes. |
Thug life.
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What the **** are you guys talking about? Racism is dead. Particularly in the midwest.
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chiefs fans are mostly dumb as shit and happy to go another decade without drafting a QB, much less a black one...
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I dont care if his skin is pink & purple pokadots as long as he's a winner. I just want to see the Chiefs win a SB before I die
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30 years of never drafting and developing a QB, be it the first round or any round, has convinced the true fans that the only QBs worth having are other team's scrubs or broke dick old QBs whose better days have passed them by.
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People are listening to the so called experts claim that there isn't a QB worth the top ten pick this year. It is total bull. Smith is going to be a fine QB and he is at the very least a major improvement over what we have now.
Just draft the guy and stop all the worry. He will be fine. |
This probably isn't the correct thread, but reading what Chiefs fans post on some other message boards and lstening to those that call in to 810/610 have become increasingly dissappointing lately. I can't believe the number of fans who don't want us to draft a QB. I'm sure most here have heard it, but there are a large number of "Quinn could be a good QB with more time, so draft a tackle," or "we have to replace Dorsey so draft Star Lotulelei" or the best ones are the "lets draft Te'o first overall." It's thickening. Who the eff are these people that think we don't need to address QB ASAp? Were they not watching the games? It's infuriating.
I've also noticed more and more people supporting Scott Pioli...I'm speechless with that one. If Soctt is retained, all hope for the Choefs is gone...at least for me. The true fans I listed above, im sure, will pack the stands for the garbage Pioli trots out. Chiefs will win 4 games with Manti effing Te'o, and Clark will continue to line his pockets. All I can hope for now is that Clark will do the right thing. |
ChUNT probably reads this board, and will do what we think is the right thing.
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Like always, I expect a group to get cold feet on the QB issue. It's a risk, and a lot of people like to play it safe. Fortune favors the bold. We need to pick the top QB even if we reach. This draft isn't blowing me away across the board. |
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Whoever these people are, I believe they are in the minority. Look at attendance. Look at the success of SOC. Sure, they are the passionate morons calling in to talk shows, but attendance suggests an apathetic fan base. They have checked out. And THEY know we need a qb. Just don't listen to the morons is all. Hope that Clark is more realistic.
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People hear one "guru" on ESPN say Geno Smith is an average prospect or that there are no good QB's in this class and like lemmings they jump in the left tackle pond.
One of the things I'm more confident of than most is that by the end of the combine, pro day, and general evaluation period, that Geno Smith will stand out as the #1 guy with a very bright future in the NFL. -Very strong arm. -Great leadership skills. -Great work ethic. -Takes responsibility for the play of the whole team. -High intelligence. -Can run when the pocket collapses. -Playmaker. -Respected by his teammates. -Perfect body size for NFL QB (6'3", 220 lbs.) -3 year college starter. (Played in 43 games) -Clean off-field record. -Articulate and confident with the media as potential "face of the franchise." Anything else these idiots want? |
Listening to the radio during my 25 minute commute yesterday I heard everything from "Geno is Akili Smith" to "best player available, QB can be found in the later rounds" to "that linebacker from ND and Alex Smith" to "trade for Cousins" to "what about Tebow". No joke. This town longs for a game manager with a "wood laying D". This fan base is damaged goods.
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We need a Moses to take us out of Egypt and into the Promised Land. |
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There was some idiot on another Chiefs board talking about get alex smith and if he doesnt work out draft a qb in 2-3 years. Then draft Teo. im like why not Geno smith now, if it dont work, draft another qb in 2-3 years. ITs the same shit, except there is not yet ANOTHER 49ers qb. Have we learned anything yet?
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This guy is accurate. Sometimes I don't know whether to be concerned that he just threw into triple coverage, or amazed the threaded it right to the WR for a score. |
You know, when a team doesn't draft a QB in the first round for so long, it doesn't create a longing...it creates acceptance. It's a part of our culture to NOT draft QB's in the first round.
Don't blame the fans, they aren't smart enough to know the difference. |
He's "well spoken"
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Racism? Give me a break. Its uneducated fans just listening to all the draft "gurus" who are ignorantly trying to compare this year's class to last year's. I think most fans were pretty excited at the time for the Herm hire, and I know pretty much all fans were excited about bringing in Crennel as the D coordinator. Has nothing to do with racism for most, we just have a lot of ignorant fans.
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There are two reasons he isn't far and away considered #1: 1. The defense he plays with. 2. The color of his skin/position he plays. That will change when teams meet him up close and personal. |
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Anyone touting Geno as a running QB hasn't watched him play.....but I agree with you Dave
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What's funny is that Geno really isn't a running QB. He should probably run MORE than he does now.
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It's not racism. It's just stupidity and ignorance.
The myth that a black man can't play quarterback was debunked long ago. The only people who think Geno Smith isn't far and away the best quarterback in the draft are idiots who don't really follow football that closely and don't really know what Geno Smith brings to the table. They just get their opinions from Mel Kiper and parrot what they hear. A very good friend of mine (he's white) insists that Geno Smith is not the best quarterback prospect this year. He has been married for 15 years to a black woman. I'm pretty sure his opinion is not based upon racism. |
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I worry sometimes that people are ignoring the 500 pound fat man in the room. Racism (or, more accurately, bigotry), sadly, is alive and well. I know this to be an inarguable factoid.
To whistle past that dark alley is almost as bad as the issue itself. You cannot tell me that there are people (and lots of them) who want to see a white quarterback under center for the Chiefs. Geno Smith scares the hell out of a lot of fans ... although they would never have the courage to admit it. FAX |
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the only reason it gets mentioned is because he is black |
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Why is it acceptable to have a black star running back, a black star reciever, a black star linebacker (or 3), but suddenly this racist fan base would have a problem with a black qb? |
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He's an athletic pocket passer. There's a difference. |
Like I said, when the new GM and new HC sit down for their 15 minute interview with Geno Smith, they'll be smitten. When they watch him zip passes all over the field on his pro day, they'll fall in love. And when the Commish calls his name and he puts on a Chiefs hat and holds up his new Chiefs jersey, there will be much fappage.
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Hell last year Luck was the only sure fire No.1 QB until after the combine, private workouts etc.... then RG was right there with Luck and in some circles was rumored he might be the No.1 pick over Luck. Not to worry, just let the 'pimping begin' and our beloved Chiefs will have our very own Cam/RGIII combo QB(RG's intelligence/maturity and more of Cam's physical athleticism with a better arm than both RG/Cam).:thumb: |
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This is obviously nonsensical bullshit. |
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It doesn't require hate of any kind actually. That's bigotry. It drives me crazy how people, especially the media, constantly misuse these words. |
I get that its fun to speculate, but personally, i'm not going to get all tied in a knot about ANY of these guys.
We have no idea what 2013 will hold or what the new regime will see in any of these guys or want in their QB. Have fun with it, but i dont get all of the gnashing of teeth... we'll get the guy "they" pick and hopefully we can get behind and support him. |
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The majority of racism I see has nothing to do with hate, or any such strong emotion. It has to do with little things, like lowered expectations. |
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Racists "always" SEE COLOR FIRST regardless of the facts whether they be a black panther racist/Farrakhan-Nation of Islam racist or a white KKK racist. In their demented racist world 'skin color MUST always come first' in order to keep the hate and the fires of denial lit at all times !! Just like our Progressive dominated media:D People who stereotype are just uneducated/inexperienced to the real world facts of life. |
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They are just using that as a cover for I don't want a black QB. And I say that because I'm white and I live in the country at times. |
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I can only speculate about it, but in their minds there may exist an iconic model of the NFL quarterback, the field general, the person in command, the "leader" ... and for them, that image is not in the person of a black man. FAX |
What about the camp of people that still want a QB just not Geno Smith?
I think the Geno Smith homers are more polarizing to scoff at any other QB option the Chiefs would pick. I was in on Geno very early in the season. Like people on here still thinking we had a chance to make the playoffs back in August/September and I was in on the hottest college QB already assuming an awful season by the Chiefs, and that was Geno. I think other QBs have outplayed him throughout the season and by the combine a true prospect will sprout just like it did for RG3, Cam Newton, etc. I myself am in the draft a QB camp, and I am also in the camp that there are better QBs to draft than Geno Smith. Which should be okay, not because of skin color, not because of his play, just because of watching all of the QBs, it comes down to who you think will succeed in the NFL. It's a crapshoot and the chance that all these QBs coming out hitting success in this draft is very low. Will it be Geno? Will be ____ or ____? none or all 3? you dont know. The key is finding the best one. Is Geno the best? I dont think so, I think there are better. |
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But 'candyman' I warn you not to go there because 'intelligence and Progressives are an oxymoron. |
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People who are racist can have a prejudice against black people and then overtly display it and become a bigot. Racism is passive, and most people are racist in one way or another. |
Man, if Priest Holmes were white, he would've been loved so much more...
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Smith: 350/490 4004 yards 71.4% completion 8.17 ypa 40 TDs 6 Ints 164.6 rating I triple dog dare you to name a guy who outplayed Geno Smith at the QB position in 2013. In fact, here's the Greatest Two QB's of the 21st century's numbers from their record setting/Heisman final year in college: Luck: 288/404 3517 yards 71.3% completion 8.7 ypa 37 TDs 10 Ints 169.7 rating Griffin: 291/402 4293 yards 72.4% completion 10.7 ypa 37 TDs 6 Ints 189.5 rating Career numbers are also nearly identical. There is not a QB in 2013 that can touch Smith numbers wise and when you watch the games, Smith is doing shit that not even Griffin or Luck did in terms of being forced to put the ball downfield in tight spots with defenders hanging all over him. Both Baylor and Stanford have had offensive lineman drafted first round recently and substantially better defenses than what Geno has had to play with this year. (WVU's defense was ranked 107th out of 120 FBS teams.) QB's outplayed him...you are ****ing high as shit. |
2012 WVU 350comp 490att 71.4comp% 4004yds 8.2ypa 40td 87lng 6int 164.6qbr
I don't see how anyone could look at Geno's stat line for 2012 and say he's no good |
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DRAFT THIS KID !! |
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I'm not dead set on our QB.
I have my own preference but just taking one again is a huge step towards giving a $3it... |
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