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CarlosCarson27 10-27-2020 08:08 PM

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Watson has about 500 more passing yards than Mahomes
I'm not saying it means anything. i'm
just saying I bothered to look it up just now lol.
Stats are fun

St. Patty's Fire 10-27-2020 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosCarson88 (Post 15280753)
Watson has about 500 more passing yards than Mahomes
I'm not saying it means anything. i'm
just saying I bothered to look it up just now lol.
Stats are fun

500 more yards in 6 more starts

looking at raw numbers instead of rates is fun

DRM08 10-27-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 15280761)
500 more yards in 6 more starts

looking at raw numbers instead of rates is fun

In this pass happy era, I don’t think the raw stats will show much difference. Where it really shows up is 3rd down conversion percentage, especially 3rd and Long conversion percentage. This is where Mahomes really shines for his career.

CarlosCarson27 10-27-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 15280761)
500 more yards in 6 more starts

looking at raw numbers instead of rates is fun

Like I said it means nothing. At least not that he's better or not.but it does prove be keeps up in the nfl.

Deberg_1990 10-27-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15280671)
I’d take Watson over a 38 year old Rapelithsberger.

I wonder how much Roth has left in the tank? He doesn’t strike me as a guy who takes great care of himself.

kccrow 10-27-2020 08:20 PM

Yeah, I don't think he's out of the top 10.

Losing your go-to guy in all situations hurts a lot. That O-line is NOT all that good no matter how you spin it. They are the 3rd worst rushing team in the league. Will Fuller and Brandon Cooks are inconsistent receivers and so is Fells at TE.

Just a world of inconsistency and subpar play around him, and that reflects in his play. He has his shortcomings but I'd still take him over a whole bunch of QBs in the NFL.

Guys I can't put him over:

Mahomes
Rodgers
Wilson
Brees

Guys I think he's pretty much on par with:
Brady
Allen
Burrow
Prescott
Murray
Goff
Tannehill
Allen
Roethlisberger

I'd put him above the rest for sure.

If I were starting a team today and had to pick from that 2nd list, the only guy I'd take over him is Burrow.

St. Patty's Fire 10-27-2020 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15280770)
In this pass happy era, I don’t think the raw stats will show much difference. Where it really shows up is 3rd down conversion percentage, especially 3rd and Long conversion percentage. This is where Mahomes really shines for his career.

Raw stats are extremely misleading in basically any sport. Personally, i couldn't give two ****s about how many yards or TDs Mahomes, or any QB really, throws for as long as he directs the offense and comes up when it matters most. Like the Super Bowl. His raw numbers weren't very good but he won the game by coming up big when it mattered, and in the end that's really what we care about.

htismaqe 10-27-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15280776)
Yeah, I don't think he's out of the top 10.

Losing your go-to guy in all situations hurts a lot. That O-line is NOT all that good no matter how you spin it. They are the 3rd worst rushing team in the league. Will Fuller and Brandon Cooks are inconsistent receivers and so is Fells at TE.

Just a world of inconsistency and subpar play around him, and that reflects in his play. He has his shortcomings but I'd still take him over a whole bunch of QBs in the NFL.

Guys I can't put him over:

Mahomes
Rodgers
Wilson
Brees

Guys I think he's pretty much on par with:
Brady
Allen
Burrow
Prescott
Murray
Goff
Tannehill
Allen
Roethlisberger

I'd put him above the rest for sure.

If I were starting a team today and had to pick from that 2nd list, the only guy I'd take over him is Burrow.

Of course he's in the conversation for starting a team - he's young.

In fact, that's the main reason he's getting the benefit of the doubt here.

DRM08 10-27-2020 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 15280778)
Raw stats are extremely misleading in basically any sport. Personally, i couldn't give two ****s about how many yards or TDs Mahomes, or any QB really, throws for as long as he directs the offense and comes up when it matters most. Like the Super Bowl. His raw numbers weren't very good but he won the game by coming up big when it mattered, and in the end that's really what we care about.

Yeah, there are some QB’s that benefit a lot from garbage time stats in games they don’t win. Deshaun has benefited from it. Prescott is another one. Kirk Cousins is another one. The raw stats look nice on the surface, but are pretty worthless when you really dig into the details.

kccrow 10-27-2020 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15280781)
Of course he's in the conversation for starting a team - he's young.

In fact, that's the main reason he's getting the benefit of the doubt here.

If helps, I'd put him squarely above everyone on my second list right now except Brady and Rothlisberger if it's a win now situation. I think he's just a better player in a bad situation than most of those other guys.

I don't think team stats like scoring in the 1st quarter and shit like that much apply to Watson's skill or stating he sucks. That's the whole offense failing to produce. He can't make receivers get open, make his line block, make his running backs not run into the back of their linemen for 2 yards and a cloud of dust.

htismaqe 10-27-2020 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15281088)
If helps, I'd put him squarely above everyone on my second list right now except Brady and Rothlisberger if it's a win now situation. I think he's just a better player in a bad situation than most of those other guys.

I don't think team stats like scoring in the 1st quarter and shit like that much apply to Watson's skill or stating he sucks. That's the whole offense failing to produce. He can't make receivers get open, make his line block, make his running backs not run into the back of their linemen for 2 yards and a cloud of dust.

I don't know man. He doesn't have tremendous pocket presence, holds the ball too long, lacks plus arm strength, doesn't have great accuracy. I think he's thoroughly mediocre, despite all the external issues.

Nickhead 10-28-2020 01:02 AM

umm, i think this would be a case where too soon is soon enough...

are the texans linebackers on suicide watch? ;)

scho63 10-28-2020 04:24 PM

A good to above average QB can be great with all the pieces around him.

Deshawn Watson should be better than what he is. I blame the fiasco that is the Texans for suppressing his talent

kccrow 10-28-2020 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15281100)
I don't know man. He doesn't have tremendous pocket presence, holds the ball too long, lacks plus arm strength, doesn't have great accuracy. I think he's thoroughly mediocre, despite all the external issues.

We may have to agree to disagree on the pocket presence and arm strength. He has occasional lapses in accuracy but overall I don't think it's bad at all. Holding the ball too long, I see that primarily when his receivers can't get an ounce of separation. Sometimes he needs to just toss it away and live for the next down.

ThyKingdomCome15 10-28-2020 05:05 PM

Three words...

They traded Hopkins


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